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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
For the sake of argument, why was there no basis? There was an absolute basis and I for one am glad he's listed there. Therefore if it happens again, people will know he's done it before. I mean, he could have just NOT sent the card and kept the $30 profit. If that was the case, would the BTA be justified?

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Yes, if he backed out of the sale and there was proof of that, fine. However, he stated that the cards may have gotten lost in the mail and asked the buyer to check with his post office. Is this suspicious? Perhaps. But the buyer has no proof whether the card legitimately got lost in the mail or whether the seller was backing out of the sale. Pure speculation is not a good basis for posting someone on the BTA where his reputation may be irreparably damaged even though you have no proof that he was at fault.

And yes, I understand that people might be able to use "it got lost in the mail" as an excuse to back out of a trade and refund the money. But again, without proof that he is actually doing something wrong, there is no case.

A lot of people don't seem to understand exactly how potentially damaging a BTA post can be even if it gets decided in your favor, which this one would have been if the refund was given prior to the BTA being posted. What if the card did legitimately get lost in the mail? A refund would be all that the buyer was entitled to, and that's what he received. The only way he would have a case is if the seller refused to refund the money (or ignored his emails, effectively the same as refusing a refund).

Basically, the benefits of people knowing that this situation happened does NOT outweigh the damage that a BTA post can do to someone, when no rule has been broken and no evidence exists as to any wrongdoing. No case should = no BTA thread, that's all I'm trying to get at.

This has gotten quite off topic!

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
To put simply for all of you...

2. Your buy order went missing when the theft occurred, and you will receive the full buy price on all cards from CFB because it will be covered under their insurance coverage.

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really? cus having the 16 foil promo stps available for sale when mtd shipped him 12.. and 16 is more than other online websites have combined.. seems a lil sketchy to me..

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
To put simply for all of you...

1. CFB received the list, has not paid him for his buy order, and will shortly once everything is sorted out.
2. Your buy order went missing when the theft occurred, and you will receive the full buy price on all cards from CFB because it will be covered under their insurance coverage.
3. Lets try not to speculate

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
To put simply for all of you...

1. CFB received the list, has not paid him for his buy order, and will shortly once everything is sorted out.
2. Your buy order went missing when the theft occurred, and you will receive the full buy price on all cards from CFB because it will be covered under their insurance coverage.
3. Lets try not to speculate

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Excuse me, where exactly did you get this info? I don't see anywhere on that thread where CFB said that MTD's cards were missing. They received his cards on Sept 19th, according to tracking. They never contacted him, stating they received his cards. MTD sent several emails, asking about it and was never responded to. Why are you saying to "not speculate" when that's EXACTLY what YOU are doing?

As for Hilikus, no, the case was NOT warranted. It was not two weeks yet, and Hilikus clearly was communicating with the poster and more than willing to fix what went wrong (which was even stated by the poster in his first post). We always ask that you try and solve these things on your own, before going to the BTA. The ONLY reason that the poster ended up posting him, was because he was wanted Hilikus to pay him the $70 that the card was now worth, instead of the $26 he actually paid for it, and he knew there was no way Hilikus was gonna do that and he thought we Mods would force him to.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Basically, the benefits of people knowing that this situation happened does NOT outweigh the damage that a BTA post can do to someone, when no rule has been broken and no evidence exists as to any wrongdoing. No case should = no BTA thread, that's all I'm trying to get at.

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In an ideal world, sure. Sadly, we live in no such world. We keep a history of all cases so that we have reference if issues arrive in the future. If someone posts a baseless case every few months, we wouldn't have any real way of tracking it if we don't have the others to look back to and see the pattern. If someone is too stupid to deal with someone because they had a bogus BTA case against them, honestly, that's someone I'd never in a million years want to trade with, because they're incapable of reading and/or rational thought, so I'm much better off without them.

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Either way, they should get back to him and he should be paid for them regardless of issue.

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We keep a history of all cases so that we have reference if issues arrive in the future. If someone posts a baseless case every few months, we wouldn't have any real way of tracking it if we don't have the others to look back to and see the pattern. If someone is too stupid to deal with someone because they had a bogus BTA case against them, honestly, that's someone I'd never in a million years want to trade with, because they're incapable of reading and/or rational thought, so I'm much better off without them.

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