ISD has mediocre value, as does M12. Scars block had plenty of value through and through, so perhaps Rise was the last set this lacking in terms of value?

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
-Grafdigger's Cage seems like it can have enough stopping power to stay at around 8.00, but outside of standard, how many copies does any deck really need? In standard, with Trinket Mage to find it and a general lack of necessity anyhow, I don't know that any 75 list touts more than 3 ever...

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4 in the sideboard of Vintage and maybe Legacy, without a doubt.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
4 in the sideboard of Vintage and maybe Legacy, without a doubt.

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Definitely. I'll probably be among them. There's enough excitement about it in Legacy to ensure it'll kick around for a while.

I love Geralf's Messenger and Vengeful Ooze, but I doubt they'll tread much water on their own, unfortunately.

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In standard, with Trinket Mage to find it and a general lack of necessity anyhow, I don't know that any 75 list touts more than 3 ever...

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Originally posted by daner:
Don't you mean in ANY format you have Trinket Mage to find it? And isn't Tormod's Crypt just better?

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Originally posted by wjuseck:
Isn't this new graveyard hate strictly worse than the old hate? It doesn't prevent them from developing their graveyard like Tormod's Crypt or Leyline of the Void does. It's less constraining because they don't have to hold back Entomb, dredge cards, etc., etc., like they would with either of those.

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Um, I considered the cage to be more of an answer for Natural Order and Tinker/Blightsteel than Dredge.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Despite the set looks pretty weak in general, I think there are a few hidden gems that is pretty underrated right now.

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I agree that Thalia could be good. I personally like the flavor of the Vampire and Zombie captains and will probably want 4 of each just because.

Havengull Lich may be a card I try to play in my Solar Flare build.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Drogskol Reaver seems crazy awesome, although kinda mana expensive. Seems amazing for EDH if nothing else.

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As long as Consecrated Sphinx is standard legal, I seriously doubt Reaver would see much play.

Currently, one of the hidden gems that I think has a potential to see more play than expected, is Wolfbitten Captive.

He is no Figure of Destiny, but the potential to pump makes blocking really awkward for your opponent early in the game, and will hit the dome more often than not. He is obviously not a card that you will rely on to win the game, but you can always count on it to take a decent chunk of your opponent's life with it.

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Gravecrawler should hold well, people will look for all kind of ways to mess with him.

Increasing Ambition is a reusable Demonic tutor, so even at 5mana could see some play.

Thalia effects always look to hold value

Vault of the Archangel i think could also see some real play.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Um, I considered the cage to be more of an answer for Natural Order and Tinker/Blightsteel than Dredge.

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Agreed.

IMO, thinking of the Cage as graveyard hate is narrow-minded. So, of course, is thinking of it as just hate for NO/Tinker/GSZ. The fact is that the Cage is a very versatile card that gives you more flexibility, particularly when it comes to sideboard slots. As far as I'm concerned, it's best used to increase redundancy--i.e. as a complement to whatever else is in your deck or sideboard. It may not be the right choice for every deck, but it's a good choice for pretty much all of them. And it's definitely the right choice for many.

In my own case, it will not replace all of my graveyard hate, but it will replace some of those slots (probably Crypt... I'm gonna keep Faerie Macabre, and I run Ooze MD) precisely because it's more versatile. I don't auto-lose to the graveyard, so I don't need to worry about corner cases. And I don't auto-lose to NO/GSZ/Reanimator/etc., so I once again don't need to worry about corner cases. Instead, I can focus on having a very, very strong game all-around with a hand-picked suite of versatile hate.

Sure, it's more vulnerable than Crypt or Faerie. So what? I don't need it to stay in play forever while I mill my opponent or attack with a 1/1. I just need it to screw with my opponent for a couple of turns. If it does that, the deck can do the rest. That's all I need my graveyard hate for, and that's really all it does for me. So why not run Cage instead?

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
I like this set. There's no obvious unfair bombs like m12 or scars. No stupid mechanics like infect, and most of the casual cards are cheap.

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I should have said something similar earlier. I think you're absolutely right. I'm really tired of passing on cards I'd like to acquire for fun just because they're ridiculously expensive.

I'm also really tired of the never-ending power creep that seems to mandate dropping a pile of cash just to keep up. I don't usually drop those piles, so it's a tad frustrating.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Zombie Angel! Zombie Kraken! Zombie Zombie! Zombie Phoenix! Zombie Lhurgoyf! weeee! Zombie Apocalypse gonna be the chase card in the set. It'll top $90 at least. /endsarcasm On a side note, doesn't this set remind ya of the Twilight movies just w/ zombies as a bonus?

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In no way what so ever...Twilight does not have the Monopoly on Vampires, in fact, these Vampires have ZERO in common with Twilight Vampires....other then being Vampires....

With that out of the way...yea my Zombie EDH deck loves this set, I also play Burning Vengeance as a more casual Type 2 deck at FNM, so also happy there. (No not worried about Cage, I see those as free wins )

Few other fun cards for different decks, and a few things for competitive formats.

I disagree though about Limited, looks like a pain in the ass from Mock Drafts/Sealed, so many uncommons that just swing games with DKA, also aside from the Crap white lifegain mythic and helvault the rest seem to just end whatever game they land in :P

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Originally posted by revenger:
Zombie Angel! Zombie Kraken! Zombie Zombie! Zombie Phoenix! Zombie Lhurgoyf! weeee! Zombie Apocalypse gonna be the chase card in the set. It'll top $90 at least. /endsarcasm On a side note, doesn't this set remind ya of the Twilight movies just w/ zombies as a bonus?

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I wouldn't know, never seen the Twilight movies.