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Darkzephyr
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posted January 30, 2012 06:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Darkzephyr Click Here to Email Darkzephyr Send a private message to Darkzephyr Click to send Darkzephyr an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Darkzephyr's Have/Want ListView Darkzephyr's Have/Want List
Hey Everyone,

I just sent out my first trade on here, to ReinHart, he has 116 Confirmed REFS.

But just today, after I sent my stuff, I noticed he was BANNED! I'm a bit worried now that he may not send me my stuff. Can I find out why he was banned? Will he still be able to log on and find my address? When did this Happen?

I'm a bit concerned, hope someone can help me!

 
ryan2754
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Eeek.

From the Post for Magic Stuff, Moderator Jazaray says:
"
Everyone! Please pass along for people NOT to send to MOTL member, reinhart! It's the return of John Strickland. He must have hacked the account. The real reinhart was from Maryland.
Thanks,
Jazaray"

 
southparker2002
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That sucks! Might as well file for mail fraud ASAP
 
Darkzephyr
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posted January 30, 2012 07:51 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Darkzephyr Click Here to Email Darkzephyr Send a private message to Darkzephyr Click to send Darkzephyr an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Darkzephyr's Have/Want ListView Darkzephyr's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
That sucks! Might as well file for mail fraud ASAP

Okay, how does that process work? Is there any way for me to stop the mail from being delivered? I didn't get Delivery Confirmation because he lives in Canada. However, I just sent today, so I'm wondering if it's possible to still track it down and stop delivery.

 
rockondon
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quote:
Originally posted by reinhart:
Would you be interested in doing:

My:
Tarmogoyf

Your:
Tolarian Academy
Steam Vents
Arid Mesa

Let me know if we can work something out. Free feel to check list and counter offer. Thanks!


When a deal looks too good to be true, it usually is.

Edit: that really sucks dude that your first experience on here is such a negative one. I had the same thing happen to me once so I know how you feel.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by rockondon on January 30, 2012]

 
Darkzephyr
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posted January 30, 2012 08:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Darkzephyr Click Here to Email Darkzephyr Send a private message to Darkzephyr Click to send Darkzephyr an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Darkzephyr's Have/Want ListView Darkzephyr's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by rockondon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by reinhart:
Would you be interested in doing:

My:
Tarmogoyf

Your:
Tolarian Academy
Steam Vents
Arid Mesa

Let me know if we can work something out. Free feel to check list and counter offer. Thanks!


When a deal looks too good to be true, it usually is.

Edit: that really sucks dude that your first experience on here is such a negative one. I had the same thing happen to me once so I know how you feel.

[/QUOTE]

I thought it might be, but I checked his REFS and they were all positive at the time (and he had 116) Plus, he asked for a little more as a throw in.

Btw, I was just told I could file for a Mail Recall/Reroute. I just mailed it today at Noon (Jan 30, 2012). Do you think it's still possible to get it back (even though it's going to Canada?) Does anyone know how I can do this?

 
Mr.C
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What's the address he gave you?

Edit: Do you have any form of a tracking number? You *could* try your post office, go there early tomorrow.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr.C on January 30, 2012]

 
CoupDeGrace
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posted January 30, 2012 10:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for CoupDeGrace Click Here to Email CoupDeGrace Send a private message to CoupDeGrace Click to send CoupDeGrace an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
He asked me to smul-send for that trade. I told him that i can send latest by this friday because i want to check about that person. After that, there are few points which made me sound fishy.

-His reference is 100+, just that all these deals were at the year 2000-2003. He did not have any recent reference so far(In fact, he is actively at this forum to do trading).
-He offered these cards which are in my confirmed trade list to other people at couple of thread.
-His PM is very suspicious to me. Here is the PM !

quote:
Yes - I did in fact send out earlier today. However, I went to delete a message and on accident - more carelessness on my part - deleted all of my messages. I find it obnoxious that we cannot see out sent messages. But what can you do. I tried to find / figure out your user name but could not.

Sorry about that. Did you send out today?

Let me know, thanks

----- Original Message -----
Let me know if u sent out these stuff !
----- Original Message -----
I do not have those throw-ins - but I will go ahead and throw in the 2 Rhystic Study

You can ship to the following address:
John Strickland
apt 705 - 1971 St.Laurent Blvd
Ottawa Ontario
K1G 3P8
Canada

Please followup with your address - let me know when you ship - I will be sure to do the same. Thanks!


Firstly, I can see the sent messages. Secondly, that John Strickland is a ripper(Based on CBT!). From these two answers regarding about PM, he self-pawned.

Regards,
CoupDeGrace


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[Edited 2 times, lastly by CoupDeGrace on January 30, 2012]

 
MTDetermine
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Actually, I traded $2000+ with a banned MOTL ex-member. Everything went smoothly. Just ensure that he send first.
 
CoupDeGrace
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
Actually, I traded $2000+ with a banned MOTL ex-member. Everything went smoothly. Just ensure that he send first.

When u traded during that time, what is the amount of reference/reputation that both of u had? U have to know that people do not like to send first unless u are a reputable MOTL trader, conduct third party trade or his reference is much way lower than u. For my case of trading with reinhart, he sound very fishy to me.

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MTDetermine
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quote:
Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
When u traded during that time, what is the amount of reference/reputation that both of u had? U have to know that people do not like to send first unless u are a reputable MOTL trader, conduct third party trade or his reference is much way lower than u. For my case of trading with reinhart, he sound very fishy to me.


That $2000+ trade was negotiated in Dec 2011 and completed by Jan 2012. I had 320+ ref at that time.

I think trading with banned members are ok as long as they are willing to send first.

 
flophaus
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posted January 31, 2012 12:31 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for flophaus Click Here to Email flophaus Send a private message to flophaus Click to send flophaus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
That $2000+ trade was negotiated in Dec 2011 and completed by Jan 2012. I had 320+ ref at that time.

I think trading with banned members are ok as long as they are willing to send first.


I don't think it's ok to trade with someone banned for ripping. Or someone with shady, unethical trading practices. I think they should be punished with total exile. If a person wanted to make trades/sales with me and they ripped off someone on here.... there's no way in hell I'd do it. They don't deserve the curtousy. To me, they are bad karma.

Now, say someone got banned for being a flooder or just always cussing or something silly like that... I don't really see the problem with that and would at least consider trading/selling to them.

When you're a CBT... then you should be given the ultra-cold shoulder. You've earned it.

Just my thoughts.

 
CoupDeGrace
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
I think trading with banned members are ok as long as they are willing to send first.

Agreed

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Vegas10
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your best bet would be to contact the local PO in Canada, the one that would be delivering the package or letter and tell them you would like it the returned, especially if you can contact the specific carrier. He tried a trade with me but when I checked his refs no trades since like 02 threw up a red flag for me plus less than a day later Jarzay contacted me saying the account had been hacked by a known scammer. If you ever see something fishey in refs like I did, no trades for a decade then suddenly offering trades contact the mods have them check it out make sure it is legit.
 
JoshSherman
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Reinhart was banned because his account got hacked. John Strickland is NOT the real Reinhart.

Let this be a lesson to you and all who read this: always check names against the BTA and CBT forums.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by JoshSherman on January 31, 2012]

 
Volcanon
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Too late now, I guess, but if you realize something is up the same day you mail, and you dropped the mail off at a post office, you might be able to intercept the letter while it's at the office. You can certainly do so for registered mail. The mail system isn't robust enough to intercept afterwards though.
 
Darkzephyr
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quote:

John Strickland
apt 705 - 1971 St.Laurent Blvd
Ottawa Ontario
K1G 3P8
Canada

[/B]


You know what? This might be my saving Grace! (I Hope)

The address he sent me was this

John Strickland
apt 705 - 1971
Ottawa Ontario
K1G 3P8
Canada
In other words, no street name. I hope that that post office will have difficulties delivering it and return it to me. Otherwise, I filled out the recall form today, I hope it saves my package

 
rockondon
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^ that's actually excellent news. That city has over a million people in it. Can't see them delivering it without a street name.

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lmdemasi
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I wouldn't expect that to save you. Postal codes are fairly specific in Canada. A quick check on the Canada Post website tells me that postal code is only for a single apartment building, so they will know exactly where it is supposed to go.
 
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Be wary of reverse-ripping (i.e. they deny they received the cards) when dealing with banned and otherwise sketchy people.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
Be wary of reverse-ripping (i.e. they deny they received the cards) when dealing with banned and otherwise sketchy people.

Well if he's banned how is he going to BTR you?

 
farsk8dutch
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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
your best bet would be to contact the local PO in Canada, the one that would be delivering the package or letter and tell them you would like it the returned, especially if you can contact the specific carrier.

This, and simply explain the situation. I assume they will require some proof of identification. You may want to talk to the Post Master if the regular workers can't provide assistance. Good luck, I'd like to know the outcome and how this is handled.

 
broiler1977
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I have a feeling that unless you stop it, he will receive the cards. I'm amazed at some of the mail that finds me. I'm interested to hear if there is a way of stopping mail in transit. I'm so sorry. this just reminds me that while all my transactions on this site have been excellent, you always have to remember to do your due diligence.

I can't see how anyone could feel good trading with someone who ripped another person off on this site, regardless of their willingness to send first.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by broiler1977 on January 31, 2012]

 
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Just wanted to offer my condolences to you, that really sucks dude.
 
Darkzephyr
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quote:
Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
This, and simply explain the situation. I assume they will require some proof of identification. You may want to talk to the Post Master if the regular workers can't provide assistance. Good luck, I'd like to know the outcome and how this is handled.

Do you know how I can find out what office to contact?? I'm not familiar with the Canadian postal system.

Btw, I just called the Canada Post and I asked them about possibley intercepting my package. They said I couldn't do it normally, IF I filed for Mail Fraud, they could stop it. Does anyone know exactly how do this? I already called USPS and filed a MailFraud report with them, but I'm not sure if I need to do anything else.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Darkzephyr on January 31, 2012]

 

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