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Topic: When will Tarmogoyf be reprinted?
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted February 23, 2012 12:05 PM
        
Obviously a key to the health of modern, legacy, and now vintage formats. Forgive me as I don't follow standard, but what do you think the chances are that the card gets printed in a standard legal set (vs. a foil promo or foil set?). When will this reprint (that many of the WOTC bigwigs have hinted) happen?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr. Ruboonia on February 23, 2012]
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WeedIan
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posted February 23, 2012 12:31 PM
Chance it is printed in standard it around .001%In a Promo box Nearly 100% but they'll have to do something to make it so the promo box isn't sold at hundreds of dollars per. I may own a playset of Tarms but i have no problem with them re-printed it to bring the price down. __________________
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Devonin
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posted February 23, 2012 12:43 PM
There is NO way they reprint Tarmogoyf in a special set and prevent it from being sold for 200 dollars each. Even if they tried to insist only retailers selling it for MSRP could get them, they'd sell them to their employees and resell them on Secondary. There's WAAY too much money in it for LGSs to do otherwise.
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bushe
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posted February 23, 2012 01:08 PM
I think we may see something like a real world masters edition for modern cards. This way you could both have your cake and eat it too. The prices of the cards would go down due to reprinting but the set wouldn't be standard legal so you wouldn't have to worry about the most powerful standard ever. They could even decide to have the crap rares still be fringe useful. Stuff like Disrupting Shoal or Leyline of Punishment. Then on the upper end you would obviously have stuff like Tarmogoyf and shocks. Another bonus of doing this would be that things like Vendilion Clique and Arcbound Ravager could be reprinted without having to "fit conceptually". Of course to complete the dream scenario this "modern masters" would all have old card frames, just to make it extra confusing.
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Speed Demon
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posted February 23, 2012 02:11 PM
FNM promo tarmogoyf.
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caquaa
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posted February 23, 2012 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
FNM promo tarmogoyf.
soooooooooooo much TO fraud, lol.
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Lord Crovax
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posted February 23, 2012 02:39 PM
Best bet would be a special FTV like box set that's walmart/target exclusive... Make it a limited print, and vola MSRP only, no insane pric hike... __________________
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted February 23, 2012 02:40 PM
I'm just excited about the prospect of 1) $30 Tarmogoyf and 2) not in the terrible future sight card frame.  I just hope they don't feel the need to foil it.
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Lord Crovax
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posted February 23, 2012 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
I'm just excited about the prospect of 1) $30 Tarmogoyf and 2) not in the terrible future sight card frame. I just hope they don't feel the need to foil it.
Almost 100% that it will be a Foil.....only way I see that not being true is in a Planechase, Archenemy, Commander, Duel Deck product or he see's Type 2 again....of all those I see the first two options being the only realistic ones...and even then probably less then 20% chance. __________________
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caquaa
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posted February 23, 2012 03:07 PM
Well, I did suspect a goyf reprint someing a while back. Zen fetches had rotated. We had no evolving wilds/Terramorphic Expanse option. No trial . No easy to pitch enchantments. Even the planeswalkers were kinda slow. It basically meant we would have had creature, instant, sorcery easily accessible unless we warped our deck to suit goyf.Now we've got a lot of options back that pump goyf. Faithless looting, ponder, shocks of various types, liliana otv (cheap walker), etc. I think goyf could be made to grow too quickly. This probably takes away from a standard legal reprint. FTV? I can't see it. Thats a really expensive card.
A box set? Good luck keeping those in stock.
Judge foil? Looks to be a perfect fit, especially after One Eye. Print some $200 bills to pay your judges. They get 4 in each packet. I'm sure staffing events would be a breeze, there should be little fraud going on with distribution. Demand isn't removed for the card because of the limited availability. Its a good excuse to get some new art for it since the previous art was a little difficult to see what is going on and the art didn't really hold up to the power level of the card.
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stu55
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posted February 23, 2012 03:31 PM
Pretty sure they will never print a non-foil version of that card again...so I think they will retain their value, actually I think all of the original goyfs would, and anything new would have its own price point
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gcowhsu
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posted February 23, 2012 03:37 PM
Tarmogoyf can only be printed as a judge promo since it would drive whatever it's in value through the roof. It is not correct that you need goyf to play Legacy as he's only played in 1 deck now (RUG Tempo/Delver). It has no abilities, it just attacks and this is why it doesn't even get played in and G/W deck anymore.If you have G/W you would ALWAYS pick Stoneforge Mystic over goyf.
If you were U/G would would ALWAYS pick snapcaster or Delver over goyf.
If you were B/G you would ALMOST ALWAYS pick Dark Confidant over goyf.
Only Red has crap 2 or 1 drop cards that you would pick goyf over. I don't' think goyf ever got played in Vintage.
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Shadows
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posted February 23, 2012 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Tarmogoyf can only be printed as a judge promo since it would drive whatever it's in value through the roof. It is not correct that you need goyf to play Legacy as he's only played in 1 deck now (RUG Tempo/Delver). It has no abilities, it just attacks and this is why it doesn't even get played in and G/W deck anymore.If you have G/W you would ALWAYS pick Stoneforge Mystic over goyf.
If you were U/G would would ALWAYS pick snapcaster or Delver over goyf.
If you were B/G you would ALMOST ALWAYS pick Dark Confidant over goyf.
Only Red has crap 2 or 1 drop cards that you would pick goyf over. I don't' think goyf ever got played in Vintage.
With all due respect, I have to say you're completely wrong. I've yet to see ANY list with green NOT playing goyf. Hell, there have been a ton of decks that just splash green for green sun's and goyf. Truth be told, if you're running green, and not running goyf, you're pretty much doing it wrong. I mean, I'm sure I don't need to tell you why he's amazing, so I won't. Please, point me in the direction of where I can find G/W lists, G/B lists, etc that don't run goyf, and I'll admit I'm wrong. As far as reprinting goes, I can't say much. I'd like them to reprint it (on top of a ton of other legacy/modern staples) in hopes of more people being able to play legacy/modern. Will it ever happen though? Doubtful. Just my 2 cents.
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SageShadows
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posted February 23, 2012 06:01 PM
Maverick often doesn't run Goyf, or runs not a full playset of them.
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Mr.C
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posted February 23, 2012 06:40 PM
GP Promo.Why not?
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hilikuS
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posted February 23, 2012 08:34 PM
Sounds kinda like a Judge promo to me.I think they should just ban it.
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Speed Demon
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posted February 23, 2012 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
GP Promo.Why not?
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Havoc Demon
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posted February 23, 2012 11:39 PM
Old frame judge foil. Otherwise no dice. __________________
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Lord Crovax
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posted February 24, 2012 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Old frame judge foil. Otherwise no dice.
Old Frame Judge Foil with New Art, that would be amazing, even if I'd never actually own one...lol __________________
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coasterdude84
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posted February 24, 2012 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Old frame judge foil. Otherwise no dice.
I would trade my playset of foil ones for one of those. It would be amazing. EDIT: With regards to the Legacy comments above, I play GWb Maverick and run 1 goyf. He's nothing more than a cost effective thug.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by coasterdude84 on February 24, 2012]
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gcowhsu
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posted February 24, 2012 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Shadows:
With all due respect, I have to say you're completely wrong. I've yet to see ANY list with green NOT playing goyf. Hell, there have been a ton of decks that just splash green for green sun's and goyf. Truth be told, if you're running green, and not running goyf, you're pretty much doing it wrong.I mean, I'm sure I don't need to tell you why he's amazing, so I won't. Please, point me in the direction of where I can find G/W lists, G/B lists, etc that don't run goyf, and I'll admit I'm wrong. As far as reprinting goes, I can't say much. I'd like them to reprint it (on top of a ton of other legacy/modern staples) in hopes of more people being able to play legacy/modern. Will it ever happen though? Doubtful. Just my 2 cents.
]http://www.mtgpulse.com/search#[informat=4&witharchetype=196] 0 Tarmogoyfs. Scavanging Ooze has taken it's place there are some on Page 2 as a 1 of. GWB Junk and Team America with snapcaster are disappearing as well. No one splashes for Tarmogoyf anymore. That hasn't happened in like two years. RUG delver uses Sylvan Library and Nimble Mongoose as well. I would call splash to have JUST that card. If they did reprint this card I hope there would be better art as no one knows what is going on in that picture. He would also have to be a rare. If he was Mythic I could see his value skyrocket even more. Rare would put enough goyfs out there that the price would drop since he would be a 4 of in every deck.
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted February 24, 2012 10:14 AM
If they want people to take "modern" seriously 5-10 years down the line, they need to reprint Tarmogoyf in a base set or block set. Reprinting the card as a highly-desirable and rare foil card does not address the problem. It's a great card, but certainly not unfair. I don't see the issue.Tarmogoyf has been seeing some extensive play in Vintage. Here's an 80+ person tournament with 3/8 top-8 decks sporting multiple Goyfs.
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thror
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posted February 24, 2012 10:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
If they want people to take "modern" seriously 5-10 years down the line, they need to reprint Tarmogoyf in a base set or block set. Reprinting the card as a highly-desirable and rare foil card does not address the problem. It's a great card, but certainly not unfair. I don't see the issue.Tarmogoyf has been seeing some extensive play in Vintage. Here's an 80+ person tournament with 3/8 top-8 decks sporting multiple Goyfs.
To be completely frank, vintage doesnt matter. Vintage metagames are so isolated and inbred, the 'best deck' in one area could be completely unplayable in another. Though to answer your original question: It's much, MUCH more likely that wotc will just ban goyf from modern ala wild nacatl than ever mass reprint goyf. __________________
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted February 24, 2012 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
To be completely frank, vintage doesnt matter. Vintage metagames are so isolated and inbred, the 'best deck' in one area could be completely unplayable in another.Though to answer your original question: It's much, MUCH more likely that wotc will just ban goyf from modern ala wild nacatl than ever mass reprint goyf.
Your lack of vintage knowledge is frightening, but that is neither here nor there. I was simply posting a tournament results link for the curious MOTLer. Tarmo will clearly never be reprinted for vintage reasons alone. I suppose they could just ban the thing, but that wouldn't be a permanent fix.
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caquaa
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posted February 24, 2012 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
If they want people to take "modern" seriously 5-10 years down the line, they need to reprint Tarmogoyf in a base set or block set. Reprinting the card as a highly-desirable and rare foil card does not address the problem.
meh, he isn't seeing a ton of modern play. Hes in a couple of decks Doesn't need a reprint really because of modern.
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