Just of of the Phone with him.

And he indeed works for wizards, and Is that acutal person.

What he said:

This is the first time they have confiscated a card, where did were not 100% certain that the card was fake, right of the bat.

The card is being held with the intend to further investigate how it was made, and he said it 99% certain to be fake.

When i questioned his right to seize goods, he as adamant. I could only cite that this action would be illegal in my country. But underline that I wasnt particularly interested in getting a fake card retuned to me either.

I further questioned the process, where I have no certainty that the card investigated, is the card seized.

He had no comment really.

I told him from whom I had purchased the card.

I recommended he go read this thread.

I asked for a timeline of the return of my card, should it prove to not be fake. He could only tell me that it would take longer than 3 weeks. (time of GP Malmo)

He apologized for the way the card was seized, but remained firm in the notion that he had the right to confiscate it.

I do hope they find out that it isnt fake, even if thats unlikely at this point.

If its proven fake, I hope it will lead to published information that lets us, the community, easily identify similar fakes.

Also I hope that wizards now will create some sort of security, for seizing cards in the future, where card owners can have their cards investigated with certainty of having the same cards returned to them.

This is want I want (in this actual case, and as a consumer and collector)

Proof that it is indeed the confiscated card that is being investigated. Not just someones word.

Proof that the card is fake. Not just "Its fake, we keep it".

I dont want to force them to give me back a counterfeit card?

What would i gain from them admitting that they were not in the right to seize the card originally?

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
I think the biggest mistake was your friend giving up the card in the first place. Whether it was voluntary or he was bullied into it, it doesn't matter. Wizards has the card now and outside of filing a lawsuit to force WoTC to provide evidence that the card was counterfeit, you have little recourse. They can just tell you its fake, tough beans.

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Originally posted by MagixDK:
What would i gain from them admitting that they were not in the right to seize the card originally?

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not having some idiot grab someone's card in the future and keep it from them for a month+? If you're lucky, maybe he'll be fired. I've never heard of this happening before and hopefully never again. If someone tried to grab something of mine theres a pretty good chance they'd end up on the floor, wotc employee or not.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
. Also call the better Business Bureau,

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Don't do that. The BBB is just an out dated version of Yelp. They have no power and really are just a pre Internet Yelp that you can buy your way out of bad reviews.

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Originally posted by MagixDK:
What would i gain from them admitting that they were not in the right to seize the card originally?

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Edit: Can we get any verification from your friend that this is the guy?

If it's not a controlled substance, or fake currency (This includes false credit cards, money orders etc) or similar falsified government documents- no one, any business or person anywhere outside of the government, has the right to confiscate YOUR property. Even the affore-mentioned items can only be legally detained by a handful of people. Please note- detained. NOT Confiscated. They can contact a police department, and go through the proper channels for seizing counterfeit merchandise (It will actually be a sheriff more often than a police officer), and obtain proper paperwork. Under no circumstances should you ever let a business convince you they have any authority over you whatsoever.

HOWEVER: Please do not make this mistake with an officer of the law, or a border employee, or anyone who's paid by the U.S. Government really. Post office employees can sieze goods as well.

I wish I had some sort of advice on how to try and get it back, but that's way outside my knowledge base. Hope this is somewhat helpful. If you want, I wouldn't mind taking some time this weekend to drum up all the exact legal information. It's all property law, and not hard to find.

It wouldnt surprise me however, that similar laws are in place here.

Your friend is a thief and a cheat. Best case scenario a total moron and got scammed. Looks like you need a new friend. This is an expensive lesson about loaning cards, especially expensive ones to others.

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Originally posted by Brekk:
I know there's a lot of internet lawyers out there, but if a freshman law school student's experience is valuable to you:

If it's not a controlled substance, or fake currency (This includes false credit cards, money orders etc) or similar falsified government documents- no one, any business or person anywhere outside of the government, has the right to confiscate YOUR property. Even the affore-mentioned items can only be legally detained by a handful of people. Please note- detained. NOT Confiscated. They can contact a police department, and go through the proper channels for seizing counterfeit merchandise (It will actually be a sheriff more often than a police officer), and obtain proper paperwork. Under no circumstances should you ever let a business convince you they have any authority over you whatsoever.

HOWEVER: Please do not make this mistake with an officer of the law, or a border employee, or anyone who's paid by the U.S. Government really. Post office employees can sieze goods as well.

I wish I had some sort of advice on how to try and get it back, but that's way outside my knowledge base. Hope this is somewhat helpful. If you want, I wouldn't mind taking some time this weekend to drum up all the exact legal information. It's all property law, and not hard to find.

EDIT: I felt it important to note, that this is really only relevant to those of us in the United States- each country will have different laws regarding this. Don't get yourself into trouble with this overseas!

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Originally posted by implode:
My opinion:

Your friend is a thief and a cheat. Best case scenario a total moron and got scammed. Looks like you need a new friend. This is an expensive lesson about loaning cards, especially expensive ones to others.

Mods: Are we sure the op is not trolling people here?

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Originally posted by implode:
My opinion:

Your friend is a thief and a cheat. Best case scenario a total moron and got scammed. Looks like you need a new friend. This is an expensive lesson about loaning cards, especially expensive ones to others.

Mods: Are we sure the op is not trolling people here?

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Originally posted by JayC:

Wizards has no right to confiscate the card. You just got robbed.

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Originally posted by Absurd90:
Read the whole thread before ****posting.

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Originally posted by implode:
I have read it all...I don't believe DX. I don't know if he is lying, or someone is lying to him. Be it his friend is lying. Or the person stealing the card in the first place is lying. WOTC employees don't seize cards. They just don't do that. They can disallow you to play in a tourney, but that is about as far as they can take it. If you get belligerent with them, they may take it further and ban you from sanctioned events. I have NEVER EVER seen them take cards from players.

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