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Originally posted by stu55:

@ Bstorm...I wake up from a coma and idiots like you are running around MOTL

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Can you go back to that coma? Pretty pretty please?

I know it will be hard for you, knowing all the people that you can't give bad advise to or the fact that you can't make random posts about how smart you are and how you don't understand why other people can't be as smart and awesome as you are.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Sounds like 90% of the country has bad unions then. If you're basically not in NY, CA, IL, or some of the other major cities scattered across the country that aren't in those states, 85k is absolutely nothing to laugh at for a salary.

Regardless, this discussion has gotten quite dumb and off track from what the original post was about. People that think it's a waste of time will continue to think that, people that make money off of it will continue to do so until they feel like finding something else to do.

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Originally posted by daner:
I live in PA, operators, steamfitters, boilermakers, heavy highway, plumbers sprinklefitters, iron workers....all make over $32 per hourly rate for journeyman. That's roughly 65k a year. Thats for 40 hour work weeks too...which are few and far between, usually its 5-10s, 6-10s, or the dreaded 7-12's. I know a lot of people who probably can't accurately spell their trade, but work their ass off and make 100k easily with nothing more than a highschool diploma. Thats a good life in Pennsylvania, plus when you get called to work out of state you get a COL increase in pay. I know a lot of guys who fly into New York for the work week to lay iron beams for the Freedom Tower then come back home. They dont live in NY but get a premium still. States with scab labor like Florida suck, do you live in a southern state where cheap labor is readily available?

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Originally posted by daner:
I live in PA, operators, steamfitters, boilermakers, heavy highway, plumbers sprinklefitters, iron workers....all make over $32 per hourly rate for journeyman. That's roughly 65k a year. Thats for 40 hour work weeks too...which are few and far between, usually its 5-10s, 6-10s, or the dreaded 7-12's. I know a lot of people who probably can't accurately spell their trade, but work their ass off and make 100k easily with nothing more than a highschool diploma. Thats a good life in Pennsylvania, plus when you get called to work out of state you get a COL increase in pay. I know a lot of guys who fly into New York for the work week to lay iron beams for the Freedom Tower then come back home. They dont live in NY but get a premium still. States with scab labor like Florida suck, do you live in a southern state where cheap labor is readily available?

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Thanks daner, way to make me feel like a loser for having a college degree and not making half as much as an idiot doing manual labor.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Thanks daner, way to make me feel like a loser for having a college degree and not making half as much as an idiot doing manual labor.

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Haha.

I don't get what your actual point is though, daner. Yeah, you somewhat proved my statement wrong about 85k+ jobs that don't require college/further education (though, note that I did mention "or require a ****ton of experience" and journeyman requires plenty of experience), but the point was that for the right people with enough business sense to be selling Magic cards, the opportunity cost is zero or near-zero, making dealing Magic cards actually a worthwhile endeavour for some (not all) people.

After all, you're basically saying that instead of making 85k+ selling Magic cards like baldr7 is doing right now (and note, he just started college, and wouldn't have the years of experience to be a journeyman), you can make 65k/year for 40hr/week (base) and up to 100k/year while "working your ass off" and that's a good living. So how's making 85k/year off Magic cards a bad living when 65-100k/year is good? Those aren't the "easy 9-5 jobs with weekends and benefits" that you mentioned earlier either, these are "working your ass off and, to make the ~100k, includes flying to NYC for the week and then back home" jobs.

And really, for such similar pay, I'd rather be dealing Magic cards than doing any of those jobs you mentioned.