A short run booster pack set of cards from 8th Edition to Alara Reborn. 229 card set. 15 mythics, 53 rares, 60 Uncommons, 101 Commons.

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Originally posted by nouveaux:
Just announced on the Pro Tour Webcast:

A short run booster pack set of cards from 8th Edition to Alara Reborn. 229 card set. 15 mythics, 53 rares, 60 Uncommons, 101 Commons.

$6.99 MSRP per pack. Release June 7th, 2013.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Whoa an admin!

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Wait we have those? and OMFG people complain to much, set looks to be amazing.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
Just call magic a Card Game now, recent years losing collectability. Pure and simple money grab by Hasbro/WOTC

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Has the "from the vault" series significantly impacted any prices? If the only thing you are concerned with is the dollar value of your cards then I agree this is not ideal, but that doesn't make the game less collectible because they aren't strict reprints.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
This isn't like From The Vault, this is like Coldsnap. There will be plenty of all of the cards being printed in it. Certainly enough to impact the price.

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Except for the fact that this set is getting printed because demand a lot of these cards far outstrip supply at the moment.

You should have known something like this was coming when they announced Modern. They want the format to succeed and this is a good way to do it.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Has the "from the vault" series significantly impacted any prices? If the only thing you are concerned with is the dollar value of your cards then I agree this is not ideal, but that doesn't make the game less collectible because they aren't strict reprints.

Response to your exapanded version:
I agree that they could easily overdo it and print too much product. I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're close.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
I never mentioned monetary value of cards, thats not my point, my point is there are people who like collecting the cards to have the sets, box sets etc.., when this becomes too much it loses collectabiltiy due to the impossibility of keeping up with so much product and people who collect the game give up, plus limited releases, mythics, etc...etc...

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all i keep seeing is wahhh wahhh wahhhhh

you want to collect? collect things that will retain value.. simple as that

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edit: for example.. collect duals, simple

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Originally posted by coolio:
all i keep seeing is wahhh wahhh wahhhhh

you want to collect? collect things that will retain value.. simple as that

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edit: for example.. collect duals, simple

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Once again nothing to do with value of the cards I'm not a dealer, I'm a player and collector, it's the flooding of the market with too many cards making the collecting part too difficualt financially to keep up with, this has nothing to do with current values of cards already out there. If you don't think other card games have virtual died off due to releasinbg too much product or secret limited releases or ultra rare cards just look at Pokeman, also these practices destroyed the sprots card market, does anyone buy packs of either of those anymore?

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
Once again nothing to do with value of the cards I'm not a dealer, I'm a player and collector, it's the flooding of the market with too many cards making the collecting part too difficualt financially to keep up with, this has nothing to do with current values of cards already out there. If you don't think other card games have virtual died off due to releasinbg too much product or secret limited releases or ultra rare cards just look at Pokeman, also these practices destroyed the sprots card market, does anyone buy packs of either of those anymore?

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and yet it's doing wonders for konami for ygo on the inf reprints of 2-300 dollar staples into commons 6 months after initial release in the following set, or the set after that.. you want to make random examples, we can both do that.. not sure you're going anywhere.

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You only need to care about the value of the cards if you are a dealer not a collector.

And if your intention as a collector is to collect "everything" then you picked the wrong game to get into right from the get go, because they are never going to stop producing more and more cards. Nobody will ever have a "Complete MTG Collection" so if your objection is "There are too many things I want to collect, to actually collect them all" then you need to narrow your focus a little bit.

And as to the objection that oversupply somehow ruins these things: Magic is a far superior game mechanically and stylistically to Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh, and simply by virtue of being a game, is a totally different animal from sports cards.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
If you want to collect cards to have a collection, then you should only ever be happy to see things that are hard to get be reprinted.

You only need to care about the value of the cards if you are a dealer not a collector.

And if your intention as a collector is to collect "everything" then you picked the wrong game to get into right from the get go, because they are never going to stop producing more and more cards. Nobody will ever have a "Complete MTG Collection" so if your objection is "There are too many things I want to collect, to actually collect them all" then you need to narrow your focus a little bit.

And as to the objection that oversupply somehow ruins these things: Magic is a far superior game mechanically and stylistically to Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh, and simply by virtue of being a game, is a totally different animal from sports cards.

Sports Cards have the problem of having their value being tied to the subjective performance of the dude on the card. A rookie card is pretty much worthless right up until the moment that the player on it retires and gets into the hall of fame. There is no way to control the supply of "good" sports cards, because a sports card isn't good for 10 or 15 years after it is printed.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
If you don't think other card games have virtual died off due to releasinbg too much product or secret limited releases or ultra rare cards just look at Pokeman, also these practices destroyed the sprots card market, does anyone buy packs of either of those anymore?

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I remember seeing boxes of Base Set Pokemon for ~10.00 after WOTC flooded the market with it. What are those boxes worth now? 300.00-400.00. It seems that there are a lot of people still buying Pokemon. 1st edition Charizards are 300-350 on Ebay. Flooding the market with reprints sure didn't hurt those originals.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
True it does help bring more supply into the market no doubt, but there is also the negative of players on a budget opening are rare that has been reprinted so many times it has little or no value, hurting there ability to trade for cards they need for that one deck they want to play,

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Unless all the cards are equally budget valued. Maybe you could spend 4 dollars on a booster pack and actually open 4 dollars worth of cards, which you can trade for 4 dollars worth of cards that still get you what you need.

I mean yes, obviously rares are always going to be valuable in excess of a pack cost because of distribution, but honestly, if WOTC announced a new policy that said "Any time a card gets above 50 dollars, we're reprinting it in the next core set" I would have no problem, AT ALL, with that.

Call me crazy, but I like Magic being a game about the skill of the player to use the cards in the situation they are in, and not about having to accept what your budget is, and just building the best deck you can afford on that budget and hope it's enough.

The competition should come from deck constriction, and deck play, not a chokepoint of "Must have this many dollars to compete"

I really think the panic is no big deal and personally, I have seen that when we do have cards worth $50 or more each, they rarely sell locally and MOTL is my first sales place if I do have any that do not sell after 4-6 months of being placed as available as I can still get what I normally would earn locally after paying the store it's commission.

Personally, if I am able to buy these as booster cases, I will plan to buy at least 2, as it seems like a great deal! I know that I can get them through our store owner slightly below MSRP, but I am also factoring in that I will have to pay him a cut of the money out of each card that sells and this will cover any below MSRP prices I can find on these cases.

My bottom line on the set is the title of a famous 1980's // early 1990's song: Don't Worry, Be Happy!!!

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Originally posted by JayC:
Vegas is just reacting emotionally without thought. And by that I mean he's completely wrong.

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Everyone has different reasons for buying magic cards. In a hobby, there's usually not a "good" reason for buying things to support your hobby. It's just what you do.

Also, I tend to agree that this product isn't going to completely tank the price of these Modern staples. Will it lower the prices? Maybe, but I think that this will also bring more people into the Modern format (which is the intent of the product), thus creating more demand.

From my perspective, it's a welcome item, that I hope I can get my hands on. I'm curious to see how they will handle supply of this one.

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Originally posted by mtglover:
I think you guys are seriously underestimating how much the packs are going to be worth. If the SRP is 6.95, I think a pack will actually be about $10-15/pack. My reasoning is not only because the packs are going to be limited but also because the set is designed to give players modern playable cards, so I would assume that practically all commons, uncommons, rares and mythics are going to be modern cards that people are actually playable in tournaments rather than a few of good cards and a bunch of junks.

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While I don't think most of the commons will be considered staple (remember that the set is supposed to be draftable), but since there is usually not much value in the commons anyway, your statement is mostly correct.