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Topic: Speculation (open topic)
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B14ckM4g3 Member
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posted October 25, 2012 06:59 PM
As title suggests, open topic for speculation. For instance: When do you think the Onslaught fetchlands will be reprinted? I can see it happening, probably in the next 3 years, to increase modern potential. Opinions? Anything you want to speculate about?
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WeedIan Member
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posted October 25, 2012 07:07 PM
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mcelraca Member
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posted October 25, 2012 07:22 PM
ooooooooohhhh I love speculating wildly!Someone in another thread had said something about wizards doing things in cycles of 7 years... I'm not sure if this is just conspiracy theorists but if its true, we've got like 3 more years before we see anymore fetches. I think we will see them sooner than that since it seems their popularity has risen in the recent years. MY SPECULATING: What other good cards are going to be in the Modern Masters set... I'm thinking if it's modern and it's masters they've got to be the best modern cards so... Tarmogoyf (I think thats verified) Dark Confidant (Awesome card and full of flavor) Vendilion Clique Cryptic Command Thoughtseize I haven't read/heard much about the set so this is just a few of the money cards, anyone else?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mcelraca on October 25, 2012]
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Zeckk Member
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posted October 25, 2012 08:13 PM
WOTC prints something close enough to a functional reprint of original duals in the next 5 years, inside a premium product (not standard legal). My bet is on a legendary dual land cycle.
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gaeacradle Member
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posted October 25, 2012 08:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: WOTC prints something close enough to a functional reprint of original duals in the next 5 years, inside a premium product (not standard legal). My bet is on a legendary dual land cycle.
The idea of a legendary dual land cycle is something that I haven't thought of. This is a great idea and I hope it happens.
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Abinks Banned
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posted October 25, 2012 11:53 PM
I would love to see Snow-Covered Duals, but with Coldsnap officially wrapping up the Ice Age Block I just don't see it happening.
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caquaa Member
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posted October 26, 2012 12:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Abinks: I would love to see Snow-Covered Duals, but with Coldsnap officially wrapping up the Ice Age Block I just don't see it happening.
Next block will be a cycle of sesons... Ravnica: Never-ending Winter they can put one mishras in each set. 4th season? we'll just squeeze it in some how.
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Abinks Banned
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posted October 26, 2012 12:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Next block will be a cycle of sesons...Ravnica: Never-ending Winter they can put one mishras in each set. 4th season? we'll just squeeze it in some how.
Same way they did with Lorwyn-Shadowmoor block and it's 4 sets. I really like that idea Caquaa.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted October 26, 2012 01:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: WOTC prints something close enough to a functional reprint of original duals in the next 5 years, inside a premium product (not standard legal). My bet is on a legendary dual land cycle.
How about non-legendary (because things would get legend ruled all day and every day) and just not basic. Example blackcleave cliffs without the CIPT. It's fair, it's balanced, and it doesn't invalidate the shocklands completely.
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Zeckk Member
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posted October 26, 2012 02:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: How about non-legendary (because things would get legend ruled all day and every day) and just not basic. Example blackcleave cliffs without the CIPT. It's fair, it's balanced, and it doesn't invalidate the shocklands completely.
I say legendary for a couple of reasons. 1. WOTC is actually very conservative in terms of pushing the envelope on the reserve list. They also tend to introduce "role player" cards to the legacy pool, rather than cards that dictate an entire archetype, i.e. Omniscience for show and tell decks, or GSZ for maverick. The last couple of cards that have become deck engines by themselves were SFM and JTMS. They don't like to rock the boat very hard, and legendary lands would have little impact on deck design while still giving newer players an option for designing legacy-playable manabases. 2. It could be quite flavorful if they choose to make a cycle of legendary lands for, say, commander product. This is actually a big deal for a segment of the playerbase, and would have the side effect of guaranteeing that the product sells well. 3. Most legacy manabases still revolve around the fetch/dual mechanic, and even previously mono-colored decks like elves and merfolk have strayed away from a basic-heavy manabase in order to get more utility and resilience against the field.
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mm1983 Member
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posted October 26, 2012 04:55 AM
Legendary dual lands will be about as close as it gets to reprinting the original duals. I don't think they would be played in legacy or vintage though since a majority of older players have their 40 set of duals.
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Vegas10 Member
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posted October 26, 2012 05:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Legendary dual lands will be about as close as it gets to reprinting the original duals. I don't think they would be played in legacy or vintage though since a majority of older players have their 40 set of duals.
I doubt they ever do this, due to mirror matches in standard turning into stip mine fests do the the legend rule.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted October 26, 2012 05:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Legendary dual lands will be about as close as it gets to reprinting the original duals. I don't think they would be played in legacy or vintage though since a majority of older players have their 40 set of duals.
I'd rather see them print something like this: No Drawback WU Dual Land T: Add W or U to your mana pool.
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fluffycow Member
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posted October 26, 2012 05:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: I'd rather see them print something like this:No Drawback WU Dual Land T: Add W or U to your mana pool.
If no drawback duals are gonna see printing, it's gonna be in a commander deck. They have to differentiate modern from legacy, and to make a strictly superier dual over the pains, scars, M10 duals seems unlikely. Another speculate, modern will overtake legacy is popularity within the next 5 years
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Soldier Boi Member
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posted October 26, 2012 05:42 AM
This Modern Masters will have just about everything. I think any card that was popular in those sets will be in here. Even some bad cards because this is supposed to be draftable. Here are a few others that should be in it. Lightning Bolt Lightning Helix Path to Exile Bloodbraid Elf
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hilikuS Member
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posted October 26, 2012 05:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by fluffycow:
Another speculate, modern will overtake legacy is popularity within the next 5 years
I think this might be a foregone conclusion, at least as far as I'm concerned. Wizards will try its hardest. By the time Modern Masters is released, I think it'll already be taking off pretty big. Legacy is still a diverse format with lots of different stuff going on (unlike Vintage), so I think it will be here to stay, but Modern will be the new shiny exciting thing most people jumps on board with.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on October 26, 2012]
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AEther Storm Member
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posted October 26, 2012 06:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by Abinks: I would love to see Snow-Covered Duals, but with Coldsnap officially wrapping up the Ice Age Block I just don't see it happening.
I would love to see Wizards do more with the Snow ability. It's something that comes back in more sets (Glacial Ray could be a snow-instant for example). quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Legacy is still a diverse format with lots of different stuff going on (unlike Vintage), so I think it will be here to stay, but Modern will be the new shiny exciting thing most people jumps on board with.
I hope Legacy stays. Coming out of the Vintage scene that is too narrow Legacy is one big playground. Sadly, not enough tourneys in my vicinity.
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caquaa Member
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posted October 26, 2012 06:11 AM
wotc wants modern to take off, but as long as they keep a super restrictive ban list people can't play w/ their favorite cards from those sets. I knew sfm and jtms were going to be on the banned list so I got all excited to play bitterblossom again.... nope! I only play modern when I'm forced to, I certainly don't do it for fun. I really dislike legacy overall as well because stoneforge leads to some fairly slow, grindy, boring games. I play infect in legacy to spice things up and hear people groan when they lose to it. Modern doesn't have invigorate or berserk, so infect there just doesn't seem like it packs the same punch.
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Myy Member
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posted October 26, 2012 07:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: . I play infect in legacy to spice things up
have a list I could look at?
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Zeckk Member
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posted October 26, 2012 08:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: wotc wants modern to take off, but as long as they keep a super restrictive ban list people can't play w/ their favorite cards from those sets. I knew sfm and jtms were going to be on the banned list so I got all excited to play bitterblossom again.... nope! I only play modern when I'm forced to, I certainly don't do it for fun. I really dislike legacy overall as well because stoneforge leads to some fairly slow, grindy, boring games. I play infect in legacy to spice things up and hear people groan when they lose to it. Modern doesn't have invigorate or berserk, so infect there just doesn't seem like it packs the same punch.
The 2 cards most likely to come off the ban list by next year are SFM and ancestral vision, so don't worry too much. With all the toys jund got in RTR, I think WOTC is getting comfortable with the notion that blue-based tempo and control can have some decent card advantage engines. Delver tempo was almost non-existent at PT RTR.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted October 26, 2012 09:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: The 2 cards most likely to come off the ban list by next year are SFM and ancestral vision
Someone has forgotten how busted Caw-Blade was with SFM tutoring up and playing a Sword or Batterskull by turn 3. SFM won't be unbanned any time soon.
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Dimh Member
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posted October 26, 2012 09:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Someone has forgotten how busted Caw-Blade was with SFM tutoring up and playing a Sword or Batterskull by turn 3. SFM won't be unbanned any time soon.
I don't know about that. Look at the current top decks. Eggs doesn't really care about a Batterskull, SoFaF is pretty good against it. Jund just Thoughtseizes, IoK, or kills the SFM. Blue Spell Snares. Kiki-Jiki combo just goes infinite. Pyromacer's just burns them out. I think having a blue based control deck would do the format wonders, and SFM is a way to keep it on track. The Caw part is not nearly as powerful without Jace, so would more likely be an esper shell for lingering souls.
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choco man Member
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posted October 26, 2012 10:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dimh: I don't know about that.Look at the current top decks. Eggs doesn't really care about a Batterskull, SoFaF is pretty good against it. Jund just Thoughtseizes, IoK, or kills the SFM. Blue Spell Snares. Kiki-Jiki combo just goes infinite. Pyromacer's just burns them out. I think having a blue based control deck would do the format wonders, and SFM is a way to keep it on track. The Caw part is not nearly as powerful without Jace, so would more likely be an esper shell for lingering souls.
A lot of the things you mentioned that disregard SFM, similarly disregard Jace TMS. Eggs can going to combo out when you tap-out. Jund has very good cards against Jace TMS. Pod decks have the CA tools to grind out Jace TMS. Pyromancer's can combo out on turn 4 also. I played Modern and Overextended when the formats were brand new; back then, tapping out on turn 4 for Jace TMS meant suicide. At the first Modern Pro Tour, Cloudpost had little shot against the field of combo. Just because it can be out-raced by combo doesn't mean it's okay to be legal. Obviously, WOTC banned some combo cards and then banned Cloudpost. WOTC just doesn't want those cards (esp Visions) in the format. The banned list isn't about just keeping out worst offenders. They're trying to outline/define a format with Modern (and to be able to reprint cards in a non-rotating format). Tapping out on turn 1 (turn 2 for Bitterblossom) and then sitting back with open mana for the rest of the game and be able to get ahead isn't something WOTC wants. Bc Jace TMS is such a popular card, if the format is completely hostile to it...I could maybe see it being unbanned.
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Dimh Member
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posted October 26, 2012 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by choco man: A lot of the things you mentioned that disregard SFM, similarly disregard Jace TMS. Eggs can going to combo out when you tap-out. Jund has very good cards against Jace TMS. Pod decks have the CA tools to grind out Jace TMS. Pyromancer's can combo out on turn 4 also. I played Modern and Overextended when the formats were brand new; back then, tapping out on turn 4 for Jace TMS meant suicide. At the first Modern Pro Tour, Cloudpost had little shot against the field of combo. Just because it can be out-raced by combo doesn't mean it's okay to be legal. Obviously, WOTC banned some combo cards and then banned Cloudpost. WOTC just doesn't want those cards (esp Visions) in the format. The banned list isn't about just keeping out worst offenders. They're trying to outline/define a format with Modern (and to be able to reprint cards in a non-rotating format). Tapping out on turn 1 (turn 2 for Bitterblossom) and then sitting back with open mana for the rest of the game and be able to get ahead isn't something WOTC wants. Bc Jace TMS is such a popular card, if the format is completely hostile to it...I could maybe see it being unbanned.
I hope they do, I really do.
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Bugger Member
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posted October 26, 2012 12:11 PM
Is Pyromancer's Ascension tier one in modern?
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