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Author
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Topic: New trader. What am I doing wrong?
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Cole Stephenson
New Member
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posted November 18, 2012 03:34 PM
      
HiSo I've been pretty fervently active on this site since joining about 2 weeks ago, and out of the probably 20 offers I've sent out, I've received replies on maybe 3 of them. Like I get that as a new trader, they would be wary, but I am offering to send first and I am offering what I believe to be good deals. I wouldn't mind getting a "no thank you" or something to that extent, but there seems to be no response at all.
Is this a common theme? if not, what am I doing wrong?
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Volcanon
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 03:42 PM
A lot poeple don't reply to posts on lists. Have you tried PMing?
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Cole Stephenson
New Member
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posted November 18, 2012 03:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
A lot poeple don't reply to posts on lists. Have you tried PMing?
That's mainly that I do. Still no dice
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Heresy19
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 03:58 PM
 
Check my list, I love to trade with newcomers and I usually simul-send if the trade is not too high 
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flophaus
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 04:14 PM
A lot of people also have little "rules" on their lists, like they will not respond to PM's without a post, or like if you don't do this or don't do that, they just won't even respond. I guess just make sure you're reading all their headers before making offers. Of course, there is the notion as well that you may be giving them offers that they do not feel are fair so they just don't even bother responding. I understand that it's frustrating and impolite. Just the way she goes =)
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WeedIan
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 04:21 PM
Sometimes people just ignore offers they don't like. Sometimes people just don't login as often as you think to reply back quickly.__________________
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ryan2754
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 05:50 PM
Keep trying. It usually takes me posting roughly 25 times to get one trade nowadays. Granted, my wants are very specific, but feel free to cml.__________________
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Liq
Member
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posted November 18, 2012 11:57 PM
My general rule of thumb when I was starting was:50 posts, 5 replies, 1 trade Its a lot of work to get the refs but once you do, you start getting more replies and more trades. __________________
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wayne
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 01:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
Keep trying. It usually takes me posting roughly 25 times to get one trade nowadays. Granted, my wants are very specific, but feel free to cml.
Might help if you don't post on OOD posts.
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AGO
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 05:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cole Stephenson:
A card notated with a * will be difficult to get from me, due to either having a playset or of very high value, monetarily or intrinsically
This is an extreme turnoff to me. I don't like people who list cards they deem "hard to get". Seems pointless to list them if you can't even trade for them without giving you a good deal. I would ignore your list after seeing this.
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WeedIan
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 06:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AGO:
This is an extreme turnoff to me. I don't like people who list cards they deem "hard to get". Seems pointless to list them if you can't even trade for them without giving you a good deal. I would ignore your list after seeing this.
This is also true. It may lead people to think "My good cards are worth more than your good cards" is your attitude towards trading. __________________
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nderdog
Moderator
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posted November 19, 2012 07:09 AM
Having more wants would really help as well, as people like to make counteroffers for various reasons. For instance, I'd love to make an offer on some of your Hallowed Fountains, but due to your relatively limited wants, I can't come up with a fair offer.__________________
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Cole Stephenson
New Member
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posted November 19, 2012 09:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
This is also true. It may lead people to think "My good cards are worth more than your good cards" is your attitude towards trading.
That's not what I'm trying to go for by saying that. For example, it took me a long time to finally get a set of snapcasters which I've been playing with for months. It would be really hard to part with them unless I REALLY loved the proposed trade.
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Devonin
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 09:58 AM
By which you mean "Unless the trade is to my direct profit" which isn't a trade most people are going to want to make. They aren't going to pay a premium for the sole reason of "Because I like the cards and it was hard to get them"
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psrex
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 10:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cole Stephenson:
That's not what I'm trying to go for by saying that. For example, it took me a long time to finally get a set of snapcasters which I've been playing with for months. It would be really hard to part with them unless I REALLY loved the proposed trade.
Don't list them then. Just keep playing those cards and only consider trading them in a situation where you really want some cards that someone has available, but keep them off of your H/W list.
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Devonin
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 10:42 AM
Nothing is more annoying online or in real life, like asking someone "Do you have a trade binder?" and having them say "yes, here it is" and then go "Oh, that's not for trade. That's not for trade, That's not for trade."I asked to see your trade binder, not your collection binder.
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revenger
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 12:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nderdog:
Having more wants would really help as well, as people like to make counteroffers for various reasons. For instance, I'd love to make an offer on some of your Hallowed Fountains, but due to your relatively limited wants, I can't come up with a fair offer.
This. If ya want to build up ur refs, look for expierenced traders, ya need more wants, and have the thought of "no trade is to small.". I have 2 epic expierement (1 foil) but ur wants are way out of league for these 2 cards. and always respond to everything posted on ur list~ even a cml. __________________
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ryan2754
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 02:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by wayne:
Might help if you don't post on OOD posts.
Yeah, I am absolutely TERRIBLE at this. It's what I get for using the trade matcher, as some of the posts are OOD but I always forget about looking at the date. __________________
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dhamil3
Member
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posted November 19, 2012 04:09 PM
I'll search lists and make offers even if it's cards that I don't want or need. I will take cards in so I can trade out for later. That works ok most of the time, but even when I started out I put in a ton of offers with little response. Seems like the more refs you get the more willing people are going to work with you too.
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nderdog
Moderator
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posted November 19, 2012 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Yeah, I am absolutely TERRIBLE at this. It's what I get for using the trade matcher, as some of the posts are OOD but I always forget about looking at the date.
When you pull up the trade matcher list, be sure to sort by "Date Updated". It's made my life much easier. __________________
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mm1983
Member
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posted November 21, 2012 03:37 AM
Helps to trade with many people with 100 or more refs as a new trader. Not everybody is like this but someone with only 5 or 10 refs more than you could demand that you be the one to send first as a new trader. They receive your cards but never send their cards out to you. They just get banned then you end up losing cards.
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achaye
Member
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posted November 22, 2012 11:38 PM
I'm having a similar issue, but I think that's just how it is starting out. I think I've messaged about 20+ different members for trades, and I've only successfully traded twice, with two more pending. Some of the higher-ref members won't even respond to you once they see you have less than 20 refs, and I can kind of understand it from their point of view; why bother trading with someone with <10 trades when you can get the same trade with someone with 100+ refs? It would be nice though if they would respond with a simple "No." From my experience, most do not offer that courtesy, even when they explicitly they would in their thread. For example, I've tried e-mailing Frankenskid (thread said specifically to e-mail, as he/she ignores PMs and posts) a couple of times about a trade, but never heard back, even though I know the user is active (updated list only a few days ago), and ironically, the user's rule 8 is about courtesy.There's no other way around it but to trade more and build up refs, and I agree with the others that if you're decking something that you do not want to part with, don't include it on your list, but if you see something that you REALLY want, you can make that offer.
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airwalk
Member
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posted November 23, 2012 02:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by achaye:
I'm having a similar issue, but I think that's just how it is starting out. I think I've messaged about 20+ different members for trades, and I've only successfully traded twice, with two more pending. Some of the higher-ref members won't even respond to you once they see you have less than 20 refs, and I can kind of understand it from their point of view; why bother trading with someone with <10 trades when you can get the same trade with someone with 100+ refs? It would be nice though if they would respond with a simple "No." From my experience, most do not offer that courtesy, even when they explicitly they would in their thread. For example, I've tried e-mailing Frankenskid (thread said specifically to e-mail, as he/she ignores PMs and posts) a couple of times about a trade, but never heard back, even though I know the user is active (updated list only a few days ago), and ironically, the user's rule 8 is about courtesy.There's no other way around it but to trade more and build up refs, and I agree with the others that if you're decking something that you do not want to part with, don't include it on your list, but if you see something that you REALLY want, you can make that offer.
Eventually, you will stop saying "No thanks" to offers and just ignore them. It's all fine for the first hundred offers or so, being kind and courteous or whatever. But before too long you will be annoyed with all the stupid offers you recieve and won't even want to respond because they are so unreasonable they don't deserve a response. You will probably end up finding a handfull of people you like trading with who are on the same page as you are and end up doing many trades with a select few people. At least in my experience.
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nderdog
Moderator
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posted November 23, 2012 02:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by achaye:
Some of the higher-ref members won't even respond to you once they see you have less than 20 refs, and I can kind of understand it from their point of view; why bother trading with someone with <10 trades when you can get the same trade with someone with 100+ refs?
I honestly can't see many people at all thinking that way. Personally, I prefer trading with lower-ref members as I've already dealt with most high-ref members. As long as the deal is fair or close, it's worth responding to. Unfortunately, many new members either have a terrible sense of what's fair, want to trade a bunch of crap for a good card or two or want to see if they can pull off a deal greatly in their favor. Those are the only ones I tend to ignore, as it's clear from the initial post that we will never reach a deal. __________________
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revenger
Member
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posted November 23, 2012 07:29 PM
There is a bout 5 or 6 motlers i've tried tradinng with for over 7 years now, and yet never heard a word from em. Any of em. Ever. There's ur motl traders and ur buisness'. Ya know em, unless the deal is in favor of their by like @ least 50%, or u've got bank rolls of $$$ to buy their cards~ ya don't exsist to em, we are considered below them in their eyes. Go to motl's t/a forum and you'll see what I mean. __________________
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