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Jazaray
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posted April 18, 2013 05:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So, after third partying for many, many people I've come to realize that not everyone knows how to package Magic cards properly! I can't tell you how many cards I've received in a pwe with no sleeve, no toploader. Or with a sleeve, but no toploader. No protection whatsoever, really.

With the way my postal carrier handles my packages, they're extremely lucky that they got to me undamaged (if they did).

Another thing that prompted this thread is a PM I received from a member. Another member had sent him cards, in a pwe. The guy got the standard "OMG WE'RE SO SORRY" note from the PO, however, because the card was properly protected, it made it to him undamaged.

He sent me a pic!

http://i47.tinypic.com/2czol8x.jpg

Now, we all package differently, I tend to go a bit overboard with mine, but all you REALLY need is that top loader. That's pretty much the most important part of packaging!

What I do: Cards in toploaders, or if there are MANY, a few in the toploaders and sandwich the other cards between them. Wrap paper around toploaders, tape shut. Write name and address of recipient on paper. Put into a plastic bag (to protect cards in case of package being dropped in water) Tape bag closed. I always use a bubble mailer (unless SPECIFICALLY asked to use a pwe, as some of my international people prefer).

Feel free to post your own hints to great packaging!

Thanks,
Jazaray

Edit: changed the pic to a link after complaints of it making the page scroll.
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Jazaray on April 18, 2013]

Pail42
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Excellent post.

quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2czol8x.jpg

One of the trades I did here way-back-when came in like that.

Reinforce your Plain White Envelopes people. toploader + sorting machines = pokey rippy!

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on April 18, 2013]

 
ryan2754
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posted April 18, 2013 08:37 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ryan2754 Click Here to Email ryan2754 Send a private message to ryan2754 Click to send ryan2754 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View ryan2754's Have/Want ListView ryan2754's Have/Want List
Really ought to black out the address on the picture for the privacy of the person.

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Jazaray
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posted April 18, 2013 08:42 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
Really ought to black out the address on the picture for the privacy of the person.


The member is the one who suggested using the picture.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
The member is the one who suggested using the picture.

Thanks,
Jazaray


Fair enough, but personally, even if I offered the picture, it would be courteous to do so.

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iccarus
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If you really must insist on using a PWE to send trades, PLEASE take the time to go up to the counter and pay the extra to have it sent non-machineable. You specifically need to request this service. The extra cost is minor compared to the extra protection it provides you.

Just throwing a stamp on the envelope and tossing it in the box means the cards will go through a sorting machine, which greatly increases the risk of damage being done along the way.

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Volcanon
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posted April 18, 2013 09:54 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
After I package my cards, I deep-fry the parcel. The extra crispiness helps it keep during the long haul from house to house.
 
Kwas
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posted April 19, 2013 02:34 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Kwas Click Here to Email Kwas Send a private message to Kwas Click to send Kwas an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Kwas's Have/Want ListView Kwas's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
After I package my cards, I deep-fry the parcel. The extra crispiness helps it keep during the long haul from house to house.


haha, what?

I really LOATH when I receive cards in a pwe a top loader. The card could be minty-mint when ship out, and be destroyed from bend when received. It's just poor trading habit, not to ship in top loader/bubble wrapper+toploader if more cards.

If you took the time to make a trade, you most likely wanted to pay for the cards, so make sure they are still worth something when received by the other part.

 
paragondave
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posted April 19, 2013 04:04 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for paragondave Click Here to Email paragondave Send a private message to paragondave Click to send paragondave an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View paragondave's Have/Want ListView paragondave's Have/Want List
I use a type of tape that removes easily. When taping toploaders, I always fold one end over so the receiver has a little tab they can lift up to easily remove the tape. I may stop doing this since no one seems to notice.


*edit* to remove pesky grammatical error.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by paragondave on April 19, 2013]

 
Basaka
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posted April 19, 2013 04:07 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Basaka Click Here to Email Basaka Send a private message to Basaka Click to send Basaka an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
For domestic trades (I'm in NZ though) I go PWE + Sleeve + cardboard. For international I either go PWE + sleeve + TL + cardboard or bubble envelope + sleeve + TL + cardboard. Never had a problem.
 
CubFan81
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posted April 19, 2013 09:31 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for CubFan81 Click Here to Email CubFan81 Send a private message to CubFan81 Click to send CubFan81 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
I use a type of tape that removes easily. When taping toploaders, I always fold one end over so the receiver has a little tab they can lift up to easily remove the tape. I may stop doing this since no one seems to notice.

Do they not notice or do they simply not tell you the noticed? I've been using painter's tape/masking tape as it comes off cleanly and making tabs since I started trading. I've received some packages that are fortresses of scotch tape and make the toploaders all but unusable again with so much gunk and tape left behind from previous uses.

 
mcelraca
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posted April 19, 2013 12:02 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mcelraca Click Here to Email mcelraca Send a private message to mcelraca Click to send mcelraca an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View mcelraca's Have/Want ListView mcelraca's Have/Want List
I'm all about safe and secure trading, but a lot of you have to realize not all trades are worth the added security.

I think most people that ship via PWE and top loaders do so knowing the risks (not all, but most).

I ship most trades via PWE and top loader with paper wrapped around the top loader. Saying that, most of my trades are 20$ and under. If I had to pay 3 to ship out a card that costs 3 dollars... I'd just go out and buy it. If do have higher value trades I act accordingly.

I get the point of this thread, and I fully agree (people need to ship properly).

But for me trading on here isn't necessarily all about the cards. It's a hobby that lets me kill time at work and before bed. For me, PWE and a top loader is what I use and mostly what I expect. I always feel guilty when someone takes the extra time and money to ship me cards in a bubble mailer, when the shipping was half the cost of the trade.

 
rockondon
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After reading the title I thought this thread would be about underwear.
 
Jazaray
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posted April 19, 2013 01:02 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
I'm all about safe and secure trading, but a lot of you have to realize not all trades are worth the added security.

I think most people that ship via PWE and top loaders do so knowing the risks (not all, but most).

I ship most trades via PWE and top loader with paper wrapped around the top loader. Saying that, most of my trades are 20$ and under. If I had to pay 3 to ship out a card that costs 3 dollars... I'd just go out and buy it. If do have higher value trades I act accordingly.

I get the point of this thread, and I fully agree (people need to ship properly).

But for me trading on here isn't necessarily all about the cards. It's a hobby that lets me kill time at work and before bed. For me, PWE and a top loader is what I use and mostly what I expect. I always feel guilty when someone takes the extra time and money to ship me cards in a bubble mailer, when the shipping was half the cost of the trade.


What I was saying though, is that people aren't even shipping in top loaders..

Thanks,
Jazaray

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caquaa
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► Use toploaders

► Use soft sleeve inside the toploader(s) upside down and taped closed or just tape a sleeve over the top of the toploader so tape doesn't touch cards

► If sending half an inch or so of cards, fill penny sleeves and sandwich between toploaders. Use tape on all 4 sides. One piece per side is fine. DO NOT cram cards into toploaders. If cards do not comfortably fit, use another toploader or the sandwich method. Some toploaders hold more cards than others.

► Use bubble mailers. Buy them cheaply off ebay if you want to complain about costs; they're under 25˘ ea. Tape them shut if they're cheaply made like mine. Alternately, use a shipping label and stick it on the side that opens

► For the US: Print postage from paypal's multiorder shipping; its under $2 and includes DC.


Optional:
► Write your name and email on a small piece of paper and put it in the toploader. I print only 3x5 cards and cut into 3 "business cards" w/ my info on them. Make sure to say thanks, this is often overlooked.

 
Bagbokk
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quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
I use a type of tape that removes easily. When taping toploaders, I always fold one end over so the receiver has a little tab they can lift up to easily remove the tape. I may stop doing this since no one seems to notice.

I notice when people do this, but I don't really bother to mention it. Doesn't mean it's not appreciated.

I'm a bit lazier in packaging than I used to be, but there's always at minimum a sleeve, toploader, and tape over the toploader. Usually cards are double-sleeved especially if there's only one card and the toploader isn't new (so the card tends to move around inside the toploader).

If I send PWE, I usually tape the toploader to the inside of the envelope. No idea if that's good or bad personally, but I figure between that and sending non-machineable (which I always do), even if the envelope gets messed up the cards shouldn't get lost.

 
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I normally put 2 cards in a penny sleeve, back to back so the cards are visible. Never more than 2 per sleeve. Then they are place in a toploader. I use masking tape (as it is easy to peel off, and doesn't have a glue-like residue from other tapes. I make the little flap on it (if I remember) so it is removed easily. If I am sending more than 4 cards, then I do the above method, and sandwwich cards in between. Usually in penny sleeves. I then tape everything together, and make a brick like package, again using masking tape. Then, I have this foam that is about half an inch thick, and I tape entire package to that. Place in a bubble mailer. I also include a hand written note, thanking the trader for the trade and describing the trade and using my traditional (~MM) at the bottom.

~MM

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quote:
Originally posted by Kwas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Volcanon:
After I package my cards, I deep-fry the parcel. The extra crispiness helps it keep during the long haul from house to house.


haha, what?

I really LOATH when I receive cards in a pwe a top loader. The card could be minty-mint when ship out, and be destroyed from bend when received. It's just poor trading habit, not to ship in top loader/bubble wrapper+toploader if more cards.

If you took the time to make a trade, you most likely wanted to pay for the cards, so make sure they are still worth something when received by the other part.[/QUOTE]

I use PWE and a fairly thick sleeve of 4-5 sheets of scrap paper and a toploader. The problem with bubblers is that they raise the cost of mailing for me by about double and nothing gets lost the way I do it now. I use bubbles when it's something I'll care about if it goes missing.

 
denholm
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If I need to ship out 20 cards or so, I use a ultra pro page. divide up the cards equally in the middle and if needed bottom pockets. Fold the page up and tape it to stay closed. Cut cardboard to fit snuggly and tape it arounds the edges.

Cards are firm, won't bend and are protected. They will fit into a standard PWE.

For a few cards, soft sleeve, top loader with the top taped and the top loader taped into a PWE.

High end card get the above but into a bubble mailer.

 
kenjg
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Unless the deal is low end (like $5-$10) or someone is buying from me and specifically requests plain white envelope, I use top loaders and bubble mailers and tape everything together. On the rare occasion I don't have any top loaders (such as the 4-5 times no store around me was selling the things), I used thick cardboard and sandwiched the cards between 2 pieces of proper size, which seemed to work well, then I placed them in bubble mailers. Good idea on the paper wrapping, I keep forgetting about that.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by kenjg on April 24, 2013]
 
Sovarius
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Hey Jaz, was thinking of writing a thorough essay on this very subject over the last couple weeks. Way too busy, but wondering what you think of combining all the popularly accepted hints into the first post?
That will make it very convenient for new readers when in the future it becomes appropriate to necro the thread as a reminder.

Shipping pet peeves:
-Messy tape jobs, too much tape, ridiculously tough tape i can't remove with my fingernails, cards falling out of sleeves and ending up on the tape.
One short strip of tape with a folded over tab is good to keep the cards (which better be in sleeves) inside. If it's tape you can't break with your fingernail, DON'T use a foot of tape. If you sandwich cards between toploaders, make sure the cards cannot fall out of sleeves by wrapping them in paper or a paper towel before putting toploaders on.
Toploaders can be reused (usually)! Stop ruining them with messy tape jobs. If you put two toploaders together, you don't need to run a strip of tape around them entirety of them four different directions!

-Too many cards per sleeve
7 cards do NOT fit in an UltraPro! 15 cards do not fit in a penny sleeve! I've received packages where cards were falling out of the sleeve for no reason other than lack of space. Then i mess up card edges with my fingernails trying to get them out!
I will typically put 7-9 in loose penny sleeves when sandwiching and they will keep each other snug in there and can be easily safely removed.
3 ccards in a sleeve does NOT fit in a normal size toploader! 2 in a sleeves is perfect. There ARE more spacious toploaders if you want to do that.
And while you're at it, put the cards back to back.
Watch when you put a single card in a loose sleeve and then into a loose toploader, it will fall out, which means it's probably touching the tape now.

 
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I once received a JTMS in a Jimmy John's wrapper so apparently that works?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
I use a type of tape that removes easily. When taping toploaders, I always fold one end over so the receiver has a little tab they can lift up to easily remove the tape. I may stop doing this since no one seems to notice.

Nope, you're not alone here. I always fold over both ends of the tape before I attach it to the toploader. I've never actually received cards like that before though so I think we're a minority when it comes to packaging like that.

Oh, and I have never put the cards into a toploader without a penny sleeve...in fact I put the sleeve in the toploader open-end first so the tape won't stick to the cards. I've received cards where the tape sticks to them due to improper packaging...you'd think this at least would be a no-brainer for people to realize.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
And while you're at it, put the cards back to back.

Watch when you put a single card in a loose sleeve and then into a loose toploader, it will fall out, which means it's probably touching the tape now.


uh, why back to back? don't particularly see how that matters at all. Front to back seems to make more sense as you can load them in the order you have them listed if its more than just a few cards.

loose sleeve and loose toploader is fine because you put the sleeve in upside down.......... right? if for some reason you can't be bothered, secure the top closed with a sleeve folded over the top of the toploader and taped down.

 
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I also do the tape flap. I keep hoping it will catch on.

I'd like to add that a card in a sleeve-toploader-PWE is not bulletproof. The sorting machines at the post office mean business. I received what had been a NM foil Explosives like this once where the envelop, toploader, sleeve, and card had all be crimped together. And while the toploader took the brunt of the abuse, the card didn't escape unscathed. Aside from what shows in the scan, it was pretty badly indented and definitely showed through on the back. End of the world? No, but definitely lost value from it.

Long story short, mark NON-MACHINABLE on the bottom of the envelop if you're going PWE. It's worth the extra change.

 

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