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Topic: Onslaught Fetchlands
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Joe Planeswalker
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posted June 05, 2013 05:45 AM
      
Hey everyone,
It has been a long time since I have been on here. I had to sadly take a hiatus from magic for a while. I finally have a chance to start playing again so I was looking through my cards and saw that the onslaught fetch lands are pretty expensive now. Much more so than when I left. I was wondering though, is there any speculation that they will reprint these original fetches? Possibly to make them modern legal? Thanks everyone!
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Randomnist
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posted June 05, 2013 05:54 AM
 
There has been speculation on it, since they are not on the reserved list, they could be reprinted, however nothing official has been said indicating that they will be. If I had to guess, I'd think that they will be reprinted at some point, but likely not while shocks are in standard.
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LandDestroyer
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posted June 05, 2013 08:22 AM
I would be surprised if they reprinted them any time within the next 6 years. I think there is a better chance they'd reprint the zen fetches in about 4 years. I say that just b/c I'd be surprised if they'd want modern to have all 10 fetches right now. I could however be completely wrong.
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wayne
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posted June 05, 2013 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
I would be surprised if they reprinted them any time within the next 6 years. I think there is a better chance they'd reprint the zen fetches in about 4 years. I say that just b/c I'd be surprised if they'd want modern to have all 10 fetches right now. I could however be completely wrong.
I don't understand, what would be wrong with Modern having access to all 10 fetchlands?
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rats60
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posted June 05, 2013 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by wayne:
I don't understand, what would be wrong with Modern having access to all 10 fetchlands?
If they wanted all 10 in Modern, why haven't they already done it? There is really no need with Fetch + Shockland. I don't expect them to ever be in Modern. I could see them being in a Legacy Masters set. Other than that, I don't see them being reprinted. Certainly not in any Standard set release.
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LandDestroyer
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posted June 05, 2013 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by rats60:
I don't expect them to ever be in Modern. I could see them being in a Legacy Masters set. Other than that, I don't see them being reprinted. Certainly not in any Standard set release.[/B]
This. I think that'd be an interesting exercise. What cards that are legal in Legacy but not modern and not on the restricted list would make up a good Legacy Masters set? edit: i mean reserved or whatever list of cards they won't reprint
[Edited 1 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on June 06, 2013]
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Sovarius
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posted June 05, 2013 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by wayne:
I don't understand, what would be wrong with Modern having access to all 10 fetchlands?
Nothing really. With 5 fetches and 10 duals, it's really hard to miss as is. Not like the other 5 would just suddenly make decks consistent. Would certainly make them more accessible though. quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
If they wanted all 10 in Modern, why haven't they already done it? There is really no need with Fetch + Shockland.
Because Modern is relatively new? I don't think they'd print them with the ravnica duals in standard anyway, so if they are ever coming we are talking about a little wait.
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Swift2210
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posted June 05, 2013 01:20 PM
They're going to be reprinted. Wizards won't miss a chance to boost its sales. As to when, my guess 1-2 yrs
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rats60
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posted June 05, 2013 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Swift2210:
They're going to be reprinted. Wizards won't miss a chance to boost its sales. As to when, my guess 1-2 yrs
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
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fluffycow
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posted June 05, 2013 02:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
It will eventually be right
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Dimh
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posted June 05, 2013 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by rats60:
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
They had to do the enemy fetches first. It's coming.
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Zeckk
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posted June 05, 2013 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by rats60:
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
Last time the argument picked up steam, we got ZEN fetches. The speculative consensus (sounds like an oxymoron) says sometime soon after shocks rotate out of standard.
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Krieg
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posted June 05, 2013 06:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
I think that'd be an interesting exercise. What cards that are legal in Legacy but not modern and not on the restricted list would make up a good Legacy Masters set?
Here are a few off the top of my head, there are probably more
Absolute Law
Accumulated Knowledge
Ancestor's Chosen
Ancient Tomb
Animate Dead
Aquamoeba
Arcane Denial
Argothian Enchantress
Armageddon
Back To Basics
Baleful Strix
Barbarian Ring
Basking Rootwalla
Birchlore Rangers
Bloodstained Mire
Brain Freeze
Brainstorm
Breakthrough
Buried Alive
Burning Wish
Cabal Coffers
Cabal Ritual
Cabal Therapy
Careful Study
Carnophage
Carpet Of Flowers
Cephalid Coliseum
Cephalid Illusionist
Chain Lightning
Chain of Vapor
Choke
Counterspell
Crimson Kobolds
Crookshank Kobolds
Crop Rotation
Cruel Bargain
Cunning Wish
Dark Ritual
Daze
Deep Analysis
Diabolic Edict
Diminishing Returns
Doomsday
Dust Bowl
Elephant Grass
Elvish Spirit Guide
Enchantress's Presence
Energy Field
Engineered Plague
Enlightened Tutor
Ensnaring Bridge
Entomb
Exhume
Exploration
Fire/Ice
Fireblast
Flame Rift
Flooded Strand
Flusterstorm
Force Of Will
Fyndhorn Elves
Gempalm Incinerator
Ghastly Demise
Goblin Bombardment
Goblin Lackey
Goblin Matron
Goblin Piledriver
Goblin Ringleader
Goblin Sharpshooter
Goblin Warchief
Goblin Welder
Grim Tutor
Grindstone
Hapless Researcher
High Tide
Hymn To Tourach
Ichorid
Ill-gotten Gains
Imperial Recruiter
Impulse
Innocent Blood
Karakas
Karmic Guide
Kobolds Of Kher Keep
Land Grant
Land Tax
Lim-dul's Vault
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Lord Of Atlantis
Lotus Petal
Loyal Retainers
Maze Of Ith
Merchant Scroll
Misdirection
Mishra's Factory
Moment's Peace
Mother Of Runes
Natural Order
Nature's Ruin
Nimble Mongoose
Orim's Chant
Pattern Of Rebirth
Perish
Pernicious Deed
Personal Tutor
Polluted Delta
Pox
Price Of Progress
Priest Of Titania
Putrid Imp
Pyroblast
Pyrostatic Pillar
Quirion Ranger
Reanimate
Red Elemental Blast
Reset
Reverent Silence
Riptide Laboratory
Rishadan Port
Sadistic Hypnotist
Scroll Rack
Shardless Agent
Show And Tell
Skirk Prospector
Smokestack
Sneak Attack
Standstill
Stifle
Submerge
Sulfuric Vortex
Swords To Plowshares
Sylvan Library
Tangle Wire
Tendrils of Agony
Terravore
Tireless Tribe
Tower Of The Magistrate
Veteran Explorer
Vindicate
Virtue's Ruin
Wasteland
Windswept Heath
Wirewood Lodge
Wirewood Symbiote
Wooded Foothills
Xantid Swarm
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rats60
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posted June 05, 2013 07:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
Last time the argument picked up steam, we got ZEN fetches. The speculative consensus (sounds like an oxymoron) says sometime soon after shocks rotate out of standard.
They're never being printed in a Standard set. Shocks rotating out of standard is irrelevant. Just look at what they're doing with modern masters. They are limiting the production of a set that has 1 or 2 cards that have the value of fetches. No way they mass produce fetches and tank their value. They'll never mass produce Onslaught fetches. If they wanted them back in Standard, they would have already done it. That ship has sailed. They're also never reprinting dual lands, Force of Will, Wasteland, ect. either. Keep on fantasizing about cheap cards because you can't afford to play the game.
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coasterdude84
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posted June 05, 2013 07:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see them again, and I wouldn't mind it either. And since I already have my foil playset, I'm not too concerned about getting them for cheap.
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Lord Crovax
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posted June 05, 2013 08:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Krieg:
Here are a few off the top of my head, there are probably more
Absolute Law
Accumulated Knowledge
Ancestor's Chosen
Ancient Tomb
Animate Dead
Aquamoeba
Arcane Denial
Argothian Enchantress
Armageddon
Back To Basics
Baleful Strix
Barbarian Ring
Basking Rootwalla
Birchlore Rangers
Bloodstained Mire
Brain Freeze
Brainstorm
Breakthrough
Buried Alive
Burning Wish
Cabal Coffers
Cabal Ritual
Cabal Therapy
Careful Study
Carnophage
Carpet Of Flowers
Cephalid Coliseum
Cephalid Illusionist
Chain Lightning
Chain of Vapor
Choke
Counterspell
Crimson Kobolds
Crookshank Kobolds
Crop Rotation
Cruel Bargain
Cunning Wish
Dark Ritual
Daze
Deep Analysis
Diabolic Edict
Diminishing Returns
Doomsday
Dust Bowl
Elephant Grass
Elvish Spirit Guide
Enchantress's Presence
Energy Field
Engineered Plague
Enlightened Tutor
Ensnaring Bridge
Entomb
Exhume
Exploration
Fire/Ice
Fireblast
Flame Rift
Flooded Strand
Flusterstorm
Force Of Will
Fyndhorn Elves
Gempalm Incinerator
Ghastly Demise
Goblin Bombardment
Goblin Lackey
Goblin Matron
Goblin Piledriver
Goblin Ringleader
Goblin Sharpshooter
Goblin Warchief
Goblin Welder
Grim Tutor
Grindstone
Hapless Researcher
High Tide
Hymn To Tourach
Ichorid
Ill-gotten Gains
Imperial Recruiter
Impulse
Innocent Blood
Karakas
Karmic Guide
Kobolds Of Kher Keep
Land Grant
Land Tax
Lim-dul's Vault
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Lord Of Atlantis
Lotus Petal
Loyal Retainers
Maze Of Ith
Merchant Scroll
Misdirection
Mishra's Factory
Moment's Peace
Mother Of Runes
Natural Order
Nature's Ruin
Nimble Mongoose
Orim's Chant
Pattern Of Rebirth
Perish
Pernicious Deed
Personal Tutor
Polluted Delta
Pox
Price Of Progress
Priest Of Titania
Putrid Imp
Pyroblast
Pyrostatic Pillar
Quirion Ranger
Reanimate
Red Elemental Blast
Reset
Reverent Silence
Riptide Laboratory
Rishadan Port
Sadistic Hypnotist
Scroll Rack
Shardless Agent
Show And Tell
Skirk Prospector
Smokestack
Sneak Attack
Standstill
Stifle
Submerge
Sulfuric Vortex
Swords To Plowshares
Sylvan Library
Tangle Wire
Tendrils of Agony
Terravore
Tireless Tribe
Tower Of The Magistrate
Veteran Explorer
Vindicate
Virtue's Ruin
Wasteland
Windswept Heath
Wirewood Lodge
Wirewood Symbiote
Wooded Foothills
Xantid Swarm
I'd buy this! __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Zeckk
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posted June 05, 2013 08:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
They're never being printed in a Standard set. Shocks rotating out of standard is irrelevant. Just look at what they're doing with modern masters. They are limiting the production of a set that has 1 or 2 cards that have the value of fetches. No way they mass produce fetches and tank their value.They'll never mass produce Onslaught fetches. If they wanted them back in Standard, they would have already done it. That ship has sailed. They're also never reprinting dual lands, Force of Will, Wasteland, ect. either. Keep on fantasizing about cheap cards because you can't afford to play the game.
Fetches DID come back into standard, in the form of ZEN fetches. And given the fact that ZEN block brought one of the first big influxes of players into the MTG community (and set the first of consecutive sales records for set sales), I think WotC looks pretty favorably on something like Onslaught fetch reprints. All 10 fetches don't create a signficant impact on modern deck construction, beyond potentially making the RUG and BUG modern variants have a very slight mana fixing boost. On top of all that, WOTC used the shockland reprints to partially test the waters in terms of eternal staples that have a high demand compared to their supply. You can continue speaking in absolutes, but the design decisions for the last couple of years dictates another outcome in terms of whether we see ONS fetches again in the near future. You said it yourself - MM already indicated a willingness to influence the secondary market by re-printing popular staples important to a supported format. You can take the narrow-minded approach that MM's "special set" status indicates that ONS fetches never see a standard set, but again, shocklands refute that theory. You honestly think R&D has a price point that suddenly prevents a card from seeing a reprint? "Sorry guys, deltas just cleared $50. Guess they never see standard again". Absurd.
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Lord Crovax
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posted June 05, 2013 08:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
Fetches DID come back into standard, in the form of ZEN fetches. And given the fact that ZEN block brought one of the first big influxes of players into the MTG community (and set the first of consecutive sales records for set sales), I think WotC looks pretty favorably on something like Onslaught fetch reprints. All 10 fetches don't create a signficant impact on modern deck construction, beyond potentially making the RUG and BUG modern variants have a very slight mana fixing boost.On top of all that, WOTC used the shockland reprints to partially test the waters in terms of eternal staples that have a high demand compared to their supply. You can continue speaking in absolutes, but the design decisions for the last couple of years dictates another outcome in terms of whether we see ONS fetches again in the near future. You said it yourself - MM already indicated a willingness to influence the secondary market by re-printing popular staples important to a supported format. You can take the narrow-minded approach that MM's "special set" status indicates that ONS fetches never see a standard set, but again, shocklands refute that theory. You honestly think R&D has a price point that suddenly prevents a card from seeing a reprint? "Sorry guys, deltas just cleared $50. Guess they never see standard again". Absurd.
shocks were never close to onls fetch prices though, so not sure how you can even compare them....other then trying to make weak arguments to prove a weak point.
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Havoc Demon
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posted June 05, 2013 09:31 PM
Don't see why they would need to seeing that Modern already has Zen fetches and five more would be redundant. I guess they could print them for Standard but it seems like that design space could be used for new/other sets of duals. __________________
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Kwas
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posted June 06, 2013 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by rats60:
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
No, because we saw enemy-coloured fetches.OT: Yes, onslaught fetches WILL get reprinted. The question is not if, but when.
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Lord Crovax
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posted June 06, 2013 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by Kwas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rats60:
This argument has been made for the last 10 years, yet we haven't seen a reprint.
No, because we saw enemy-coloured fetches.OT: Yes, onslaught fetches WILL get reprinted. The question is not if, but when.[/QUOTE] and in what, I doubt a standard legal set, I'm willing to bet we will see a legacy masters set sooner rather than later
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Volcanon
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posted June 06, 2013 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
and in what, I doubt a standard legal set, I'm willing to bet we will see a legacy masters set sooner rather than later
Possibly Theros. Standard with duals and fetches would be awesome.
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Kwas
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posted June 06, 2013 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
and in what, I doubt a standard legal set, I'm willing to bet we will see a legacy masters set sooner rather than later
I think they will get reprinted in a set, that will make them modern legal.I really doubt that Wizards will make a legacy masters, due to them trying to make Modern their big eternal format.
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Joe Planeswalker
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posted June 06, 2013 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Possibly Theros. Standard with duals and fetches would be awesome.
Is Theros the next set?(excuse my ignorance, haven't had a chance to look into much yet) A buddy of mine traded a few of his away recently because he feels they will be reprinted soon and lose value. Personally, since I have a play set of each, and I like to collect lands, I will hang on to them regardless. It seems like WOTC is really pushing modern so I can kind of see why they may want all ten legal, I just dont happen to think it brings much of an advantage. However, as I stated in my OP, I have been out of it for a while so maybe I just cant see the potential advantage?
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rats60
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posted June 06, 2013 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
shocks were never close to onls fetch prices though, so not sure how you can even compare them....other then trying to make weak arguments to prove a weak point.
Exactly. WOTC planned on reprinting shocklands and they made sure to reprint them before the prices got out of hand. They had the same opportunity with fetches and instead of reprinting the ONS ones they chose to print new versions in ZEN. WOTC is showing how concerned they are about secondary prices with the design and print run of modern masters. It would be better for them to reprint those cards in M13, M14, ect and prop up weak sales numbers for those sets. Instead they choose to make modern masters in limited numbers. They aren't going to do a 180 and tank the prices of ONS fetches by printing them in a standard set.
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