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ksundare
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posted August 01, 2013 06:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ksundare Click Here to Email ksundare Send a private message to ksundare Click to send ksundare an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
How much variation is there is card shading for beta cards?

I have 2 beta mox pearls and one appears to be slightly darker than the other. Could this because of normal light exposure over time?

The writing outside the main text box is the same on both cards (fairly clear). I remember reading that is how you identify dark beta. So is the color/shade variation in beta cards just normal?

 
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My recollection is that the only cards that are dark beta are the seven that didn't get printed in Alpha. Please someone correct me if I'm mixing that up.

Edit: that might have been something else. Check this out http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025021.html

[Edited 1 times, lastly by JoshSherman on August 01, 2013]

 
ksundare
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posted August 02, 2013 04:28 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ksundare Click Here to Email ksundare Send a private message to ksundare Click to send ksundare an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
thanks! I've gone over the previous motl posts. The problem is no one discusses minor color variation amongst cards.

Most of the posts focus on the un-focused text outside the main text box.

Are there any other ways to identify dark beta? Do cards fade over time just due to normal wear/tear or light exposure?

 
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posted August 02, 2013 05:35 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AGO Click Here to Email AGO Send a private message to AGO Click to send AGO an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View AGO's Trade Auction or SaleView AGO's Trade Auction or Sale
Minor color variation is extremely common. Especially among the early sets. Color is not the best determining factor when it comes to spotting fakes. Just compare it to a real card or use a loupe to determine the print pattern.
 
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bend test and light test seem to be the best tells for spotting fakes, don't have any links tho.
 
ksundare
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posted August 02, 2013 03:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ksundare Click Here to Email ksundare Send a private message to ksundare Click to send ksundare an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Dark beta passes all traditional tests. The main way to identify it is unfocused text on the part that says mono artifact - at least I think so.

I wanted to confirm, hence my post.

Looking at my cards further, I think the bgs grading case is causing the card to appear a shade darker - very tough to tell.

 
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Beta cards could vary greatly. I've owned a number of them that almost looked like they were fake because they were a couple shades darker than the rest. They weren't the Dark Beta fakes, they were just plain dark Beta. Someone probably just set the ink machine a little higher that day.

And for the love of God, everyone, please stop bending your cards. I don't know who first proposed the bend test, but I want to kick them in the shin. It's a semi-destructive test and certainly isn't fool-proof. If you can't tell a reback without bending it in half, you should just stick with Type 2, or at least find someone that knows what they're doing. Thank you.

 
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posted August 04, 2013 08:05 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for coolio Click Here to Email coolio Send a private message to coolio Click to send coolio an Instant MessageVisit coolio's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Beta cards could vary greatly. I've owned a number of them that almost looked like they were fake because they were a couple shades darker than the rest. They weren't the Dark Beta fakes, they were just plain dark Beta. Someone probably just set the ink machine a little higher that day.

And for the love of God, everyone, please stop bending your cards. I don't know who first proposed the bend test, but I want to kick them in the shin. It's a semi-destructive test and certainly isn't fool-proof. If you can't tell a reback without bending it in half, you should just stick with Type 2, or at least find someone that knows what they're doing. Thank you.


nothing wrong with a properly done bend test

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there are other known dark betas like Moat and i also believe mana drain

i know about moat, as I have a dark beta one

maybe check with Gunslinga as he knows about them also

 
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posted August 05, 2013 09:57 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ermabwed Click Here to Email ermabwed Send a private message to ermabwed Click to send ermabwed an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
A properly performed bend test will cause the card to fail after about 120 iterations. The damage is small, but it is there. More to the point, it doesn't prove anything. Only rebacked cards reliably fail the test, and these are much easier to spot with a good light and/or loupe anyway.

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Anyone ever seen a Dark Beta Sol Ring? Wondering if I came across one yesterday. I don't have it in my possession; I was selling some beta cards to an oldschool player and looking through his binder. We both agreed it looked off but it seemed to pass scrutiny under a loupe. It was weird and I didn't have my beta sol ring with me to compare but I hope to meet back up with him at some point.
 
mm1983
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I think Sedge Troll might be one of the more common Betas that every time I've seen one it was always darker than most of the other Betas though it doesn't necessarily mean it's a "dark beta". Although I don't know if I could call them Dark Betas but a few darker than normal ones I've come across recently was a Basalt Monolith and a Red Elemental Blast when comparing it with other Betas that I have.
 
LandDestroyer
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
I think Sedge Troll might be one of the more common Betas that every time I've seen one it was always darker than most of the other Betas though it doesn't necessarily mean it's a "dark beta". Although I don't know if I could call them Dark Betas but a few darker than normal ones I've come across recently was a Basalt Monolith and a Red Elemental Blast when comparing it with other Betas that I have.

ya some of those cards are all naturally darker than other betas. this was the only 'beta' sol ring ive seen where i thought it was fake tho

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13871780_10209183912182144_312604447_n.jpg?oh=c7d3fc9e195494386d524246f4d69cf4&oe=579A1876

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13872600_10209183912742158_457318952_n.jpg?oh=e20b8798cef29128b74902c60830a2f4&oe=57994EBF

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13672277_10209183914582204_302526865_n.jpg?oh=ab400a4aa71362544b41829056d5599f&oe=579A590D

guy sent me pics

[Edited 1 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on July 26, 2016]

 
coasterdude84
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The term "dark Beta" is a bit misleading simply because there is some various in the ABU printing where the same cards sometimes came out darker than others, and since these fakes are shaded on the darker side, they picked up on the name. Doesn't mean that a beta card that's dark is automatically fake. Sedge Troll is always dark for some reason, but I have a stack of False Orders that vary across the light-dark spectrum. The key to identifying dark Beta is the text in the text box. Dark Beta text has a fuzzy edge to it, almost like a slightly out of focus photocopy, whereas on real cards the text is nice and crisp.
 
LandDestroyer
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quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
The term "dark Beta" is a bit misleading simply because there is some various in the ABU printing where the same cards sometimes came out darker than others, and since these fakes are shaded on the darker side, they picked up on the name. Doesn't mean that a beta card that's dark is automatically fake. Sedge Troll is always dark for some reason, but I have a stack of False Orders that vary across the light-dark spectrum. The key to identifying dark Beta is the text in the text box. Dark Beta text has a fuzzy edge to it, almost like a slightly out of focus photocopy, whereas on real cards the text is nice and crisp.

does anyone have good scans of a fake dark beta card?

 
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I've never owned one myself, though I've seen a few in person. I think Gunslinga posted a scan of a Candelabra once.
 
LandDestroyer
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quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
I've never owned one myself, though I've seen a few in person. I think Gunslinga posted a scan of a Candelabra once.

Ya, I thought about asking Ben but his engagement is limited these days. I always feel like I'm bothering him when I send him a message nowadays and i don't like to do that.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on July 27, 2016]

 
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Gunslinga is the person to ask on dark beta, he can give details on how to spot it and has knowledge about it
 

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