http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOKEUhCvDo

Last SCG win was in April, it won that GP in Europe in May and it won a 92 player event in Europe in July but that's it. The card is hardly creating an oppressive format.

Compare that to Deathrite Shaman? 3 wins in already in September and 11 SGC open's since that SnT win in April.

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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:

Compare that to Deathrite Shaman? 3 wins in already in September and 11 SGC open's since that SnT win in April.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Careful, when I suggested this was a possibility there was an eruption of hate and disbelief.

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I'm not suggesting at all that DRS is up for a ban, even with its 11 wins its far from format warping.
There will be no bans this release or next, legacy is an amazingly diverse & balanced format at the moment.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Careful, when I suggested this was a possibility there was an eruption of hate and disbelief.

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And fetchlands win every tournament and they warp the format as well.

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Originally posted by choco man:
And fetchlands win every tournament and they warp the format as well.

There's a huge difference between a card being good and therefore every one playing it (eg Tarmogoyf) and a card being ban worthy. To me DRS is just a Tarmogoyf-type card.

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Originally posted by WinkyBlitzen:
While I don't think that it's time to consider banning DRS yet, I would disagree with the assertion that it doesn't warp the format, or that it's comparable to a card like Tarmogoyf. DRS definitely has a substantial warping effect on the format beyond Goyf or fetchlands or Brainstorm that merely are cards you almost always want to play. DRS actually greatly influences the TYPE of decks you can play. With DRS in the format, it allows decks to accelerate to the mid-game at a speed not normally seen in legacy, which basically forces deckbuilders to only really have two axes to work with, unfair combo decks or DRS midrange decks. It tends to really limit the design space for control decks or for aggro decks when Midrange decks can get ahead that quickly on the board through Deathrite.

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I really, really hope I'm not mis-reading your post, but are you actually arguing that an incremental card like DRS somehow suppresses the format by allowing mid-range decks to exist in legacy?

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There's a world of difference between powerful, popular, and suppressive. Only one of those characteristics tends to eat the ban hammer.

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BINGO. Here's the list of most played cards in the format & while all are powerful, popular none are supressive.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/topcards?format=LE&meta=39

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Originally posted by WinkyBlitzen:
While I don't think that it's time to consider banning DRS yet, I would disagree with the assertion that it doesn't warp the format, or that it's comparable to a card like Tarmogoyf. DRS definitely has a substantial warping effect on the format beyond Goyf or fetchlands or Brainstorm that merely are cards you almost always want to play. DRS actually greatly influences the TYPE of decks you can play. With DRS in the format, it allows decks to accelerate to the mid-game at a speed not normally seen in legacy, which basically forces deckbuilders to only really have two axes to work with, unfair combo decks or DRS midrange decks. It tends to really limit the design space for control decks or for aggro decks when Midrange decks can get ahead that quickly on the board through Deathrite.

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Legacy is a format that has a huge cardpool, where people play the card that's most reliable good in what they need it to do. Deathrite Shaman is the best BoP ever, as well as working well in BUG shells recently. That obviously mean that the card will be played.

Deathrite, however, is pretty damn terrible vs. merfolk, goblins, zoo, Show and Tell and so much more.

The cards that has been banned recently (last few years: Mental Misstep (that's a card that WARPED! the format), Survival of the Fittest) Both these cards dominated in away deathrite will never ever make happen.

Frankly, I'd rather have Survival kicking around. I absolutely loathe facing down an Emrakul, because there's virtually nothing to be done. If it had Annihilator 2-4, it might be a different story, but 6 is just too much. Omniscience, I don't mind. Emrakul...

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
I suspect it will get banned eventually, although perhaps not in the coming year. It's certainly true that OmniTell hasn't been putting up alarming numbers yet. But it's also true that Show and Tell, like Survival of the Fittest, is a card that will only get better as more cards are printed--especially as larger, more expensive non-Planeswalker permanents are printed. And for that reason, there will come a time when Wizards decides that its presence in Legacy is intolerable.

Frankly, I'd rather have Survival kicking around. I absolutely loathe facing down an Emrakul, because there's virtually nothing to be done. If it had Annihilator 2-4, it might be a different story, but 6 is just too much. Omniscience, I don't mind. Emrakul...

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Originally posted by lickaneye:
You mean like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOKEUhCvDo

Some pretty cool interactions throughout ...

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hahaha thank you for sharing that. What an amazing match!

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Temporal Fissure and Cloudpost are banned.

Standard, Modern, Legacy, Vintage
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At least when they show and tell an emrakul you get another turn...

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Not that it matters. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing problem creatures (Vengevine, Emrakul) go instead of their enablers. And then Wizards could pay a titch more attention to the creatures they print.

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Not surprised. But one day!

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Originally posted by Goaswerfaiejen:
I wouldn't mind seeing problem creatures (Vengevine, Emrakul) go instead of their enablers. And then Wizards could pay a titch more attention to the creatures they print.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Boooo! Wish they would start UN-banning more stuff in Modern.

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