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Topic: Born of the Gods Discussion Thread
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Zeckk
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posted December 29, 2013 05:24 AM
       
The best evaluation I can think of for kiora is this - when would you ever play her over jace? And when would you ever play her over domri? Unless the format gets extremely weak POST-RTR, I see her as being on the same level as vraska - fringe/casual. Kinda sad, too. She would have been quite playable at 3cmc without being oppressive, though I guess we still need to see the rest of the set to make that kind of judgment.
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iccarus
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posted December 29, 2013 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by junichi:
To put in bluntly, this is Sarkhan the Mad bad.
Hey now, Sarkhan is just fine in the right deck. Especially one where you can drop him right after a living death with a fully stocked board of dragons. __________________
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daner
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posted December 30, 2013 08:17 AM
 
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Originally posted by iccarus:
Hey now, Sarkhan is just fine in the right deck. Especially one where you can drop him right after a living death with a fully stocked board of dragons.
If you get off a Living Death in EDH aren't you already winning with a bunch of dragons in play? Why do you need Sarkhan to turn dragons into different(probably worse) dragons? quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
She would have been quite playable at 3cmc without being oppressive, though I guess we still need to see the rest of the set to make that kind of judgment.
I agree with all of that except for the "wait and see" approach for the rest of the set. Every good, playable, non -jank pw has always had a starting loyalty of close to it's cmc. If it didn't it had a +1 ability that got it out of a bolt range, got it to equal loyal/cmc, or some way to throw a idiot in front of it to protect. In a vaccum would you ever play this over Sorin LOI, any Garruk, LOTV, Ajani V, any Jace, Tamiyo, Gideon Jura, or any Elspeth? Probably not. I don't think waiting for the rest of this set will tell us all what we already know....this card isn't very good with only 2 starting loyalty. Like you said, like I've said before...it's a damn shame it doesn't have 3 starting loyalty. It's not oppressive and would make the card a hell of a lot more constructed playable.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by daner on December 30, 2013]
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iccarus
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posted December 30, 2013 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by daner:
If you get off a Living Death in EDH aren't you already winning with a bunch of dragons in play? Why do you need Sarkhan to turn dragons into different(probably worse) dragons?
I was talking more about his -4 than the -2. It's a fun way to blow somebody out and basically double the damage you can do that turn. His -0 has actually been decent as well, when I have some sort of library manipulation going. I fully recognize this is a fairly limited example and StM is pretty restricted in terms of cases where he is good. Kiora is pretty much in the same boat. I might want a copy of her for my Zegana EDH, but that's mainly because I have ways to manipulate her loyalty and make an ultimate more likely. Her starting loyalty seems way too low to risk paying 4 mana for an explore. Her +1 is not that exciting either. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by iccarus on December 30, 2013]
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Pail42
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posted January 09, 2014 09:38 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/281Some cool (and some wtf?) artwork in the BoG Planeswalker's Guide article. Looks like we can expect a Xenagos card ... speculation time! "Legendary Creature Enchantment - God" or "Planeswalker Enchantment - Xenagos"?
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skizzikmonger
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posted January 11, 2014 05:33 PM
The new keywords Tribute and Inspiration look interesting
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harbingerofthevoid
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posted January 12, 2014 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
The new keywords Tribute and Inspiration look interesting
I'm wondering if Inspiration will always trigger upon untapping. Seems really Blue. Red Tribute would be cool with a LD clause. Sort of like an Avalanche Riders; has haste and if they don't pay, pops a land.
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skizzikmonger
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posted January 12, 2014 09:22 PM
First gold god has been spoiledHere's a question, will you need 7 total between the two colors, or 7 of each color?
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iccarus
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posted January 12, 2014 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
First gold god has been spoiledHere's a question, will you need 7 total between the two colors, or 7 of each color?
It reads like it counts either, but I can easily see where some confusion will pop up. EDIT: Digges column clears it up. "Your devotion to white and blue is the total number of mana symbols that are white or blue among the mana costs of permanents you control. So, if you control permanents with mana costs of 3U Mana, White WW, and 3WU Mana, your devotion to white and blue is five." __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by iccarus on January 12, 2014]
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wayne
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posted January 12, 2014 10:20 PM
Pain Seer, really? More Mono Black?
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chaos021
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posted January 12, 2014 11:03 PM
The inspiration mechanic is going to make Springleaf Drum kinda good methinks.__________________
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thror
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posted January 12, 2014 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by chaos021:
The inspiration mechanic is going to make Springleaf Drum kinda good methinks.
more likely it will make it good in limited. still not going to be good in constructed. __________________
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Pail42
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posted January 13, 2014 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
I'm wondering if Inspiration will always trigger upon untapping. Seems really Blue.
Most likely it will always be untapping; the results are all different so they will want the triggers to all be the same. It fits aggressive colors too because it rewards attacking. Found a source: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/282 "I suggested we try "When CARDNAME untaps..." as a trigger instead. Ken tried it, and it stuck."
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jbark
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posted January 13, 2014 11:14 AM
So hybrid cards count both devotion right? Spector is 6 for UB and BTE is 4 for RG. 7 devotion seems very hard to obtain except for the hybrid cards.
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Azuriae
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posted January 13, 2014 11:17 AM
They don't; It's already been stated that hybrid mana costs only count for 1 devotion.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Azuriae on January 13, 2014]
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harbingerofthevoid
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posted January 13, 2014 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
Most likely it will always be untapping; the results are all different so they will want the triggers to all be the same. It fits aggressive colors too because it rewards attacking.Found a source: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/282 "I suggested we try "When CARDNAME untaps..." as a trigger instead. Ken tried it, and it stuck."
Well it seems uwb got inpire and gr got the aggressive one right now. Maybe we'll see Opposition or Glare of Subdual come back.
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WeedIan
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posted January 13, 2014 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Well it seems uwb got inpire and gr got the aggressive one right now. Maybe we'll see Opposition or Glare of Subdual come back.
I hope not, those cards are super busted. __________________
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jbark
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posted January 13, 2014 03:16 PM
Mono black already runs the format. Why give them a pseudo Bob. Hope other colors get some boost
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Volcanon
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posted January 13, 2014 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by jbark:
Mono black already runs the format. Why give them a pseudo Bob. Hope other colors get some boost
The advantage of real bob is that you don't have to attack with him to get free cards.
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WeedIan
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posted January 13, 2014 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The advantage of real bob is that you don't have to attack with him to get free cards.
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Pail42
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posted January 13, 2014 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by jbark:
Mono black already runs the format. Why give them a pseudo Bob. Hope other colors get some boost
Isn't Underworld Connections much better in the current black deck than this two-drop? I don't see him changing the format much at all unless it's as part of a much different deck.
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chaos021
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posted January 13, 2014 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
Isn't Underworld Connections much better in the current black deck than this two-drop? I don't see him changing the format much at all unless it's as part of a much different deck.
Underworld Connections is better. If some sort of suicide black were to develop, that guy might be good methinks. __________________
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flam flawless
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posted January 13, 2014 05:01 PM
Yes, pain seer isn't as good as connections in MBD, but I see him getting a nod in some b/g or machine head variant possibly
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ardeay
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posted January 13, 2014 06:46 PM
Kiora's Follower GU
Creature - Merfolk [Uncommon]
{T}: Untap another target permanent.
2/2
Epiphany Storm R
Enchantment - Aura [Common]
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has "{R}, {T}, Discard a card: Draw a card."
Nessian Wilds Ravager 4GG
Creature - Hydra [Rare]
Tribute 6
When Nessian Wilds Ravager enters the battlefield, if tribute wasn't paid, you may have Nessian Wilds Ravager fight another target creature. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
6/6
Eater of Hope 5BB
Creature - Demon [Rare]
Flying
{B}, Sacrifice another creature: Regenerate Eater of Hope.
{2B}, Sacrifice two other creatures: Destroy target creature.
6/4
Forgestoker Dragon 4RR
Creature - Dragon [Rare]
Flying
{1R}: Forgestroker Dragon deals 1 damage to target feature. That creature can't block this combat. Activate this ability only if Forgestoker Dragon is attacking.
5/4
Silent Sentinel 5WW
Creature - Archon [Rare]
Flying
Whenever Silent Sentinel attacks, you may return target enchantment card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
4/6
Arbiter of the Ideal 4UU
Creature - Sphinx [Rare]
Flying
Inspired -- Whenever Arbiter of the Ideal, reveal the top card of your library. If it's an artifact, creature, or land card, you may put it onto the battlefield with a manifestation counter on it. That permanent is an enchantment in addition to its other types.
4/5
Ephara, God of the Poils 2WU
Legendary Enchantment Creature - God [Mythic]
Indestructible As long as your devotion to white and blue is less than seven, Ephara isn't a creature.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if you had another creature enter the battlefield under your control last turn, draw a card.
6/5
Pharagax Giant 4R
Creature - Giant [Common]
Tribute 2 (As this creature enters the battlefield, an opponent of your choice may place two +1/+1 counters on it.)
When Pharagax Giant enters the battlefield, if tribute wasn't paid, Pharagax Giant deals 5 damage to each opponent.
3/3
Pain Seer 1B
Creature - Human Wizard [Rare]
Inspired - Whenever Pain Seer becomes untapped, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to that card's converted mana cost.
2/2
Oreskos Sun Guide 1W
Creature - Cat Monk [Common]
Inspired - Whenver ~ becomes untapped, you gain 2 life.
2/2
Nyxborn Shieldmate W
Enchantment Creature - Human Soldier [Common]
Bestow 2W
Enchanted creature gets +1/+2.
1/2
Everflame Eidolon 1R
Enchantment Creature - Spirit [Uncommon]
Bestow 2R
R: Everflaw Eidolon gets +1/+0 until end of turn. If it's an Aura, enchanted creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn instead.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1.
1/1
Skyreaping 1G
Sorcery [Uncommon]
Skyreaping deals damage to each creature with flying equal to your devotion to green.
Ashiok's Adept 2B
Creature - Human Wizard [Uncommon]
Heroic -- Whenever you cast a spell that targets Ashiok's Adept, each opponent discards a card.
1/3
Temple of Malice
Land [Rare]
~ enters the battlefield tapped.
When ~ enters the battlefield, scry 1. {T}: Add {B} or {R} to your mana pool.
Temple of Enlightement
Land [Rare]
~ enters the battlefield tapped.
When ~ enters the battlefield, scry 1. {T}: Add {W} or {U} to your mana pool.
Temple of Plenty
Land [Rare]
~ enters the battlefield tapped.
When ~ enters the battlefield, scry 1. {T}: Add {G} or {W} to your mana pool.
Archetype of Imagination 4UU
Enchantment Creature - Human Wizard [Uncommon]
Creatures you control have flying.
Creatures your opponents control lose flying and can't have flying.
3/2
Springleaf Drum 1
Artifact [Uncommon]
{T}, Tap an untapped creature you control: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.__________________
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Pail42
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posted January 13, 2014 08:29 PM
I'm liking these instants that let you scry 2 when used on your turn. It's a good use of existing mechanics.That UG untapper will probably find a home in some sort of combo deck.
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