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stu55 Member	posted February 03, 2014 02:06 PM quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: My speculation on the modern event deck (which honestly I've tried to keep to a minimum) have been it would include one of these options: Noble hiearch (since hasn't been reprinted) paired with a green fetch land (misty or verdant) black/red burn deck like Greg Ocreenc's GP KC tpo 8 deck - some lands and now minus DRS which I didn't know would get banned Slight chance of an affinity deck but I didn't think so since so much of it was reprinted in modern masters Now I think there is a chance BB will get reprinted but honestly I'm not sure if they had that much foresight. In generally I don't give WOTC THAT much credit for planning ahead on things like this. This was not decided until late this past week. I still think the event deck is far enough out where BB might make it
LandDestroyer Member	posted February 03, 2014 02:24 PM quote: Originally posted by stu55: This was not decided until late this past week. I still think the event deck is far enough out where BB might make it I've assumed they knew when they announced it what would be in the deck but I could definitely be wrong.
jbark Member	posted February 03, 2014 02:56 PM How much planning is really necessary to make a deck that's all reprints. Click these 75 cards and print. They could go into the final week and say er I choose you and there is affinity/pod/twin/UWr. I would bet that this recent unbanning is part of the event deck. The amount of bitter blossoms is very little and the demand will be high.
Zeckk Member	posted February 03, 2014 03:03 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: How much planning is really necessary to make a deck that's all reprints. Click these 75 cards and print. They could go into the final week and say er I choose you and there is affinity/pod/twin/UWr. I would bet that this recent unbanning is part of the event deck. The amount of bitter blossoms is very little and the demand will be high. WOTC has shown on multiple occasions that they still cater to every demographic within each product offering. This is why modern masters still had dragons, and johnny strategies within limited. I honestly don't think BB is going to be in the modern event deck. I think it's going to be a pod deck, with noble and kiki jiki along with some solid role-players.
LandDestroyer Member	posted February 03, 2014 03:39 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: How much planning is really necessary to make a deck that's all reprints. Click these 75 cards and print. They could go into the final week and say er I choose you and there is affinity/pod/twin/UWr. I would bet that this recent unbanning is part of the event deck. The amount of bitter blossoms is very little and the demand will be high. I've thought that's why they left noble hiearch out of mma. They think about what has been reprinted or not and what will be soon (that's why thought seize not in mma). They also think about valuations a little bit. An event deck with a green fetch into hiearch attacking and the remand mana up then other stuff could have made sense from how they sometimes do weird stuff
Pail42 Member	posted February 03, 2014 04:18 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: How much planning is really necessary to make a deck that's all reprints. Click these 75 cards and print. They could go into the final week and say er I choose you and there is affinity/pod/twin/UWr. The majority of the work is likely in packaging, inserts (description/how-to-play), new art, promo foils, even the product logo (already shown). The deck list was likely finalized by the time they made the announcement last month.
jbark Member	posted February 03, 2014 05:01 PM I would highly doubt there is a fetch/shock land. They won't put one of the cycle out like that unless there are more decks to cover the others. Remand and serum visions make sense as well. I thought serum visions would have already been done due to scry.
LandDestroyer Member	posted February 03, 2014 06:04 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: I would highly doubt there is a fetch/shock land. They won't put one of the cycle out like that unless there are more decks to cover the others. Remand and serum visions make sense as well. I thought serum visions would have already been done due to scry. I'd agree b/c they like their symmetry but I'll give a very small chance due to financially the lands are never symmetric. Blue fetches are worth more. I could see a misty in there. May not be likely but also wouldn't surprise me. What surprises me the most is they didn't say they'd come out with 5 event decks. That would have made it more likely.
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caquaa Member	posted February 03, 2014 07:12 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: I would highly doubt there is a fetch/shock land. They won't put one of the cycle out like that unless there are more decks to cover the others. Remand and serum visions make sense as well. I thought serum visions would have already been done due to scry. they are charging $75, they had better throw a fetch in there. They've done it before with verdant catacombs. I'd say a misty rainforest seems likely. Gotta make it worth buying at that cost.
jbark Member	posted February 03, 2014 07:35 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: they are charging $75, they had better throw a fetch in there. They've done it before with verdant catacombs. I'd say a misty rainforest seems likely. Gotta make it worth buying at that cost. They did? And msrp has nothing to do with the secondary market. For all we know one of each could be in or like others stated as I none will be in. The $75 does not mean there is $75 worth of cards.
mtglover Member	posted February 03, 2014 07:59 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: They did? And msrp has nothing to do with the secondary market. For all we know one of each could be in or like others stated as I none will be in. The $75 does not mean there is $75 worth of cards. There will be at least $75.00 worth of cards unless wizard is planning on releasing a product that does not sell well, which is not a good business idea.
jbark Member	posted February 03, 2014 08:08 PM Commander, event decks, starters, precons... no they do not put value in all of their products.
mtglover Member	posted February 03, 2014 08:23 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: Commander, event decks, starters, precons... no they do not put value in all of their products. Those you listed are mostly cheap and serves a purpose in getting players started in the format. If people want to build a crappy modern deck, they can use their existing standard deck rather than spend $75.00 on a crappy deck with lower value. If I am starting out magic, I wouldn't mind spending up to $20 on a starter or a precon even if the deck doesn't have value cards but I definitely would spend $75.00. [Edited 2 times, lastly by mtglover on February 03, 2014]
mm1983 Member	posted February 04, 2014 04:49 AM I would not dump deathrites because they are banned in modern. It is still very playable in legacy.
JoshSherman Member	posted February 04, 2014 08:31 AM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Hey, remember all the MORONS who were stockpiling Deathrite Shamans as an investment? Having fun, tools? As it relates to this thread I'm neither, but I'd rather be a tool than a dick. I 100% disagree that pod will be the Modern event deck. I think it's too complicated. These decks are supposed to be able to be picked up by the majority of players and played with at least a small degree of competency. Birthing Pod doesn't lend itself to that. __________________ My LJLetter Bombs!FBLogout- MM is a copycat! (So am I)*CKGB
Demilio Member	posted February 04, 2014 08:35 AM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Well I guess this rules out Jund as the modern event deck right? I think it's pretty likely going to be B/W tokens with a copy or two of Bitterblossom and Marsh flats.
oneofchaos Member	posted February 04, 2014 09:05 AM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: As it relates to this thread I'm neither, but I'd rather be a tool than a dick. I 100% disagree that pod will be the Modern event deck. I think it's too complicated. These decks are supposed to be able to be picked up by the majority of players and played with at least a small degree of competency. Birthing Pod doesn't lend itself to that. When has any precon that WOTC has produced been one of the easiest decks to misplay? Most event decks were of the aggro variety. Combo decks are inherently necessary they have 4x of their pieces, while the precon aggro decks can take a smattering of whatever the heck 1/2/3 drops that WOTC wants to put in. I'm not expecting a polished decklist, but rather if you took 3 or 4 of these things and smashed them together, you'd wind up with a good modern deck. Something like Goyf getting reprinted?
daner Member	posted February 04, 2014 02:59 PM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Something like Goyf getting reprinted? If WOTC keeps reprinting high end stuff like Goyf, Dark Confidant, JTMS etc etc they will ruin buyer confidence. Look at what reprints did to Yu-go-oh. How about people bite the goddamn bullet for once and shell out for a deck without worry their cards won't tank bc of reprint? Modern has a ton of options for decks...and with shocks reprinted, and most likely in the future a reprint of fetches, people need to stop complaining about prices. Some cards need to stay expensive. Period. It's a ccg for a reason, and while fun, the collectable side should still factor in. With the addition of the"mythic" rarity people should respect the fact some cards SHOULD only get one printing. How "mythic" really is something if everyone has a hundred of them? Eventually you'll run into the baseball card market crash....as in the market collasped bc interest wained with a flood of cards to the market. Modern should be thought of as "new legacy" and your buy in might be more pricey than standard but your cards will hold value. If they were smart they'd print better cards in standard sets instead of having to reprint and ruin values.
JesusChristMD Member	posted February 04, 2014 04:44 PM I think the argument that they cannot reprint something because it will destroy prices went out the window when none of the mythics from MM crashed their market value. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
oneofchaos Member	posted February 04, 2014 05:15 PM quote: Originally posted by JesusChristMD: I think the argument that they cannot reprint something because it will destroy prices went out the window when none of the mythics from MM crashed their market value. MM wasn't exactly the most cracked set in history. I mean if wizards wants it to be a TCG instead of CCG they can do what they want (including abolishing the reserved list), but until then they need to maintain the integrity of a CCG.
chaos021 Member	posted February 04, 2014 05:45 PM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: MM wasn't exactly the most cracked set in history. What crack are you smoking? I literally spent several hours at my LGS watching people whine about how awful it is they released Modern Masters, and then watched EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM give the cashier all their cash monies for all the Modern Masters they could get their hands on. All of this was while the cashier was ridiculing them for their hypocrisy. People had multiples boxes pre-ordered. If WotC printed a box of Modern Masters, some store somewhere sold it. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon My Sale Thread
sbrenner Member	posted February 04, 2014 06:18 PM Jace and Stoneforge are doing fine in value, and they are banned in Modern. It is silly to think that Deathrite won't climb back up over the years. This "MORON" is hanging onto deathrites.
oneofchaos Member	posted February 04, 2014 06:41 PM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: What crack are you smoking? I literally spent several hours at my LGS watching people whine about how awful it is they released Modern Masters, and then watched EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM give the cashier all their cash monies for all the Modern Masters they could get their hands on. All of this was while the cashier was ridiculing them for their hypocrisy. People had multiples boxes pre-ordered. If WotC printed a box of Modern Masters, some store somewhere sold it. Ok fine. "Printed"? It has no effect on standard and was only reprints. Plenty of people were loving it. I get that.
wayne Member	posted February 05, 2014 02:40 AM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: What crack are you smoking? I literally spent several hours at my LGS watching people whine about how awful it is they released Modern Masters, and then watched EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM give the cashier all their cash monies for all the Modern Masters they could get their hands on. All of this was while the cashier was ridiculing them for their hypocrisy. People had multiples boxes pre-ordered. If WotC printed a box of Modern Masters, some store somewhere sold it. It wasn't, supply was limited and there were only 24 packs in a box.

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