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Topic: Banned and Restricted List 2014
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CoupDeGrace
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posted February 05, 2014 08:35 AM
      
Not surprised that Sylvan Primordial to be at EDH banlist soon or later(Used to abuse this at the EDH playgroup  )Anyway, good time to buy Deathrite Shaman. lol.
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Pail42
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posted February 05, 2014 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
Anyway, good time to buy Deathrite Shaman. lol.
Not surprisingly, the price only seems to be down 1 or 2 dollars. I fully expect DRS to keep trending up and then have a full-on Bitterblossom explosion if it ever gets unbanned in Modern.
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KIP_NZ
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posted February 05, 2014 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by sbrenner:
Jace and Stoneforge are doing fine in value, and they are banned in Modern. It is silly to think that Deathrite won't climb back up over the years. This "MORON" is hanging onto deathrites.
DRS is a rare from a massively opened large set (I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was the most opened set of all time) that was drafted exclusively for nearly 5 months which leads to significantly more product being opened. SFM and JtMS were from a small set that wasn't printed widely & was drafted as Zen/Zen/WWK which means the quantities of available SFM in circulation is significantly less than DRS. JtMS is a mythic as well which hasn't hurt his price. Additionally with regards to legacy effecting price, being blue or partnering with a wide range of blue strategy's is a massive boost to prices. JtMS is blue & SFM is mono-white which partners very well with blue and fits into a wide range of blue based decks. DRS is B/G and pretty much requires you play BUG which isn't to a lot of players taste. This will also effect it's long term price. My prediction on them in the long run is small slide to like $8-9 on SCG at rotation time and then an equally slow climb to $20 over the next 5 years. If they get unbanned in modern in the future (say 3 years time) expect them to become an overnight commodity worth $50 and settling to $35-40. __________________
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jbark
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posted February 05, 2014 01:02 PM
 
So you argued many points that DRS will not increased or hold value but then state it will increase...
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junichi
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posted February 05, 2014 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
Not surprised that Sylvan Primordial to be at EDH banlist soon or later(Used to abuse this at the EDH playgroup )Anyway, good time to buy Deathrite Shaman. lol.
My playgroup in-house banned Sylvan Primordial months ago for the same reason given by the EDH rule committee. __________________
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KIP_NZ
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posted February 05, 2014 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by jbark:
So you argued many points that DRS will not increased or hold value but then state it will increase...
It will rise in value over time as the available pool reduces but it will not rise to the prices of SFM or JtMS. It will likely take more than a year post rotation to get back to the SCG $14 mark (what is was 2 weeks ago). I think if it had of not been banned it would have been a $30 card come modern PTQ season June.
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Caramel
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posted February 05, 2014 06:42 PM
SFM was also a 2 of in an event deck and JTMS was just reprinted recently. They are still $25 and $75 respectively.
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CoupDeGrace
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posted February 05, 2014 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by junichi:
My playgroup in-house banned Sylvan Primordial months ago for the same reason given by the EDH rule committee.
Had a playgroup banned Consecrated Sphinx as well.
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AGO
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posted February 06, 2014 04:28 AM
Watch WOTC print DRS in the event deck and pull the trick they did with SFM. You can only use him in the crappy event deck list.
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stinkinogre
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posted February 06, 2014 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
Had a playgroup banned Consecrated Sphinx as well.
Ours Banned Sphinx also. They also banned Jhoria as a general.
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stab107
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posted February 06, 2014 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by stinkinogre:
Ours Banned Sphinx also. They also banned Jhoria as a general.
I am surprised C. Sphinx has survived this long. It should have been banned at the same time as Prime Time.
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CoupDeGrace
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posted February 06, 2014 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by stinkinogre:
Ours Banned Sphinx also. They also banned Jhoria as a general.
Just need to gang rape that Jhoria's player if that fellow plays those kind of "hatred" spell In fact, Jhoria was my 1st EDH general when Emrakul could be played. LOL !
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AGO
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posted February 06, 2014 06:16 AM
Sphinx is manageable. At least you can react to it before they get value. Sylvan was just brutal if ramped into early.
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keywacat
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posted February 06, 2014 09:25 AM
My group has had fun with Consecrated Sphinx (what with it getting copied, stolen and bounced about) as we've not that many copies in circulation. Sylvan Primordial, however, was an immediate problem. In the last game before the banning my friend played it and didn't select anything of mine to destroy as I was behind at the time and both Damia and Mayael were going nuts. My friend looked as happy as I did when I reminded him that he had to destroy something of mine, setting me back further.I would really like to know why Sylvan Primordial doesn't say 'may'. It appears to be intentional, probably from the same lot of jerkballs that gleefully designed Scars of Mirrodin. edit: watching a new player simultaneously learn about the existence of Bribery and get a lesson in why Iona is crippling is brilliant.
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oneofchaos
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posted February 06, 2014 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by AGO:
Watch WOTC print DRS in the event deck and pull the trick they did with SFM. You can only use him in the crappy event deck list.
Hey man I went 3-1 with that event deck at FNM once.
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sbrenner
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posted February 06, 2014 02:01 PM
I've been thinking it will be worth around 40 bucks in 2 years on Deathrites as well, which is over 2.5x its worth when it was at 15. Jace got down to 60 after it's ban in standard (eventually modern too) and is now at 120 after a few years of building back up. If you were to stockpile Jace at his standard ban, you came out 2x ahead. Even if DRS only goes to 30 in 2 years, you still come out 2x ahead before the modern ban even happened. I also think that DRS goes down to about 8-10 at rotation, and won't hesitate to trade for them then. Then again, with more advancements on these fake cards... we all fricked.
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revenger
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posted February 06, 2014 02:49 PM
Promordial wasnt to much a prob for me in my group, cuz if i drop him, its simply my way of saying "look for bullseye on my forehead, and kill me now."__________________
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oneofchaos
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posted February 06, 2014 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by sbrenner:
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Then again, with more advancements on these fake cards... we all fricked.
Huh?
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jaromirjagr
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posted February 06, 2014 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by sbrenner:
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Then again, with more advancements on these fake cards... we all fricked.
Huh? Its a random rant from a troll who seems to know what theyre talking about.Happens quite often.
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sbrenner
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posted February 06, 2014 07:04 PM
Lol i'm not trying to troll. It was just an aside regarding that counterfeit card company from China (there are other threads about it under the MOTL magic discussion.) http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27693_Counterfeit-Cards.html The point I was trying to make was that any speculation on prices could be for naught if more of these pop up. Don't really think it will happen, but it could.
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jbark
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posted February 06, 2014 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by sbrenner:
Lol i'm not trying to troll. It was just an aside regarding that counterfeit card company from China (there are other threads about it under the MOTL magic discussion.) http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27693_Counterfeit-Cards.html The point I was trying to make was that any speculation on prices could be for naught if more of these pop up. Don't really think it will happen, but it could.
It seems from all of the comments is that they are fairly easy to spot. I have gotten 4 my self to compare with and I knew as soon as I took them out of the sleeves. Like others stated I would not worry. And people are pointing out anyone selling these cards and making it very difficult.
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coolio
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posted February 07, 2014 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by jbark:
It seems from all of the comments is that they are fairly easy to spot. I have gotten 4 my self to compare with and I knew as soon as I took them out of the sleeves. Like others stated I would not worry. And people are pointing out anyone selling these cards and making it very difficult.
I'd like to acquire one of those for personal assessment/analysis © __________________
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Vegas10
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posted February 07, 2014 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by coolio:
I'd like to acquire one of those for personal assessment/analysis©
As would I
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coasterdude84
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posted February 07, 2014 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by coolio:
I'd like to acquire one of those for personal assessment/analysis©
I asked the same thing in the thread on these, but so far, no luck.
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jbark
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posted February 07, 2014 11:57 PM
I have bought 4 wooded foothills on eBay as real and found them to be fake immediately. Failed the bend test and were obvious. Then the seller refunded and sold the rest at "proxies" still have them. I have one going out and will keep one. Coolio I can send you one pm me your Addy. The other is now spoken for. I will keep the 4th for my reference. Again people from scg and others state they are obvious to see and this I can confirm IF these are of the same circulation.
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