Heres why I think he is selling fakes:
1. All his cards look fresh, like pack fresh.
2. He keeps selling repeats. He sells one pack fresh Unlimited underground sea... and wala suddenly he has another one for sale a day later.
3. low feedback, nobody has caught him yet (new seller)

4. Look at that tabernacle! No F@#(* WAY he has several pack mint fresh cards like that.

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
This guy:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/plaid_dragon/m. html?item=271448085708&pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item3f339114cc&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Heres why I think he is selling fakes:
1. All his cards look fresh, like pack fresh.
2. He keeps selling repeats. He sells one pack fresh Unlimited underground sea... and wala suddenly he has another one for sale a day later.
3. low feedback, nobody has caught him yet (new seller)

4. Look at that tabernacle! No F@#(* WAY he has several pack mint fresh cards like that.

Someone should buy one of the cheaper cards and figure out how it differs from the real thing. there HAS to be a difference.
because if there isn't... Then we are boned right?

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1. his cards are not pack fresh
2. he has only a few repeats.. and the 2 underground seas are clearly distinguishable, if you bothered to look at the scans.. else get your eyes checked.
3. what of the low fb? quite possibly an older collector/former player cleaning things out.
4. tabby is NOT pack fresh.. get your eyes checked

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Originally posted by jbark:
I don't see many duplicates in his sold auctions and he has revised and unlimited for sale. The Chinese fakes were not unlimited. Looks like he discovered a box of cards from when he was younger. Other items listed suggest this theory. If these were older fakes they are damn good ones.

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I am not suggesting they are Chinese. I think somebody in America has a printer and a way to cut them and is making near exact duplicates of all the expensive cards.

Every one of his cards is MINT. Look at his solds- a MINT time vault like that? A MINT Underground sea from unlimited?

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Originally posted by coolio:
1. his cards are not pack fresh
2. he has only a few repeats.. and the 2 underground seas are clearly distinguishable, if you bothered to look at the scans.. else get your eyes checked.
3. what of the low fb? quite possibly an older collector/former player cleaning things out.
4. tabby is NOT pack fresh.. get your eyes checked

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Ok so he plays with them for a few hours to "rough them up slightly" wouldnt you? To make it seem more real?

Its a pack fresh card thats been played with for a few hours to make it look real.

.. furthermore, he just started selling on a new account. How much you want to bet once that next unlimited UG sea gets sold for $300 he pulls another one out of his behind? also slightly roughed up.

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Originally posted by jbark:
Either your new to this or just ignorant or don't rust anyone due to them not believing your grading and giving a 4. I see nothing wrong and coolio as well sees nothing wrong. He of many would know better. And what's the issue? If the card you get turns out to be fake (highly doubt it) PayPal and eBay will get you your money. No risk.

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I am trying to warn the community. this guy is too good to be true. Not one of his cards is truly played with, and there seems to be no end to his supply.

Furthermore, Nobody can check the cards unless you buy one. You cant go by a scan in ebay to see if it is fake or not. It has to be put under a microscope and compared to an actual card.

Just like the person who made the fake undoubtedly did. Didn't you guys see the ebay'er selling ink and fakes recently? who suddenly dissipated? Tell me no and I will dig him up.

And isn't it odd that he is listing them one at a time... instead of putting them all up at once. Why would you list them one at a time? Unless you are trying to prevent suspicious buyers from thinking you are selling fakes.

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Originally posted by jbark:
But your warning us about nothing. The cards are real. The suspicion would be in $40 BIN on seas and the like. That is how almost all the new fakes were sold. Way under value and by 0 feedback. People start somewhere and this guy chose something worth money.

He also may not know how to use eBay and make templates and list similar. Thus he may be making individual auctions for each card. Again your suspicions seem unnecessary. Also I will repeat PayPal and eBay have protection = no risk. You are doing nothing but embarrassing yourself rather than warning us nice condition real cards are for sale.

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only an idiot would print fakes and sell them cheap. thats a sure way to get caught.

The right way to sell a fake is to pretend it is real. SO you over-value it. Start the auctions high. But... just low enough to get bids for sure. Notice all his auctions are actual auctions... not buy-it-nows... and ALL of them got bids because... he doesn't care what they sell for ultimately. Thats another red flag to me, he clearly does not care that his prized possessions, cards he kept near mint and safe for decades, are suddenly getting auctioned off at any price.

You dont dump something you care about like that.

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Originally posted by thror:
go away. please?

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Originally posted by jb231:
I'm no expert but there are a bunch around these forums and in my experience they tend to be cynical as hell. If everyone is telling you not to be suspicious then I wouldn't worry all too much personally.

I always find it sort of funny when people start threads with an opinion, everyone disagrees and the OP gets angry for it. Why post things on forums if you have no interest in any real discussion?

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its not a discussion. I've made up my mind that those cards are fake. I was just letting everyone know about it.

If you want, donate me $50. Ill buy a fake revised dual, a taiga. Something i have that I know is real.

And if i compare them, and find out it is in fact real, I will refund your money.

but if I find out it is fake, I keep your money.

And people always sell their "prised" magic cards cheap. Otherwise shops would not have buy lists at 40-60% retail...

The numbers he wants could be what he feels he is happy with. Again new to eBay he may not know how BIN works or he is willing to risk his auctions. Every point you make I or anyone else can counter with a more likely one.

He almost seems like Yodadoc at this point. You know him?

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
its not a discussion. I've made up my mind that those cards are fake. I was just letting everyone know about it.

If you want, donate me $50. Ill buy a fake revised dual, a taiga. Something i have that I know is real.

And if i compare them, and find out it is in fact real, I will refund your money.

but if I find out it is fake, I keep your money.

deal ?

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you can make up your mind all you want, you're more than likely wrong

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
well i tried to buy one but they are just too high priced.

If you are so sure they are real, take my offer. Ill put up the difference. 20 minutes left.

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you understand that the mods on this site come to me on issues of authentication right? I'm one of the resident consultants on the matter

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
its not a discussion. I've made up my mind that those cards are fake. I was just letting everyone know about it.

If you want, donate me $50. Ill buy a fake revised dual, a taiga. Something i have that I know is real.

And if i compare them, and find out it is in fact real, I will refund your money.

but if I find out it is fake, I keep your money.

deal ?

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I don't remember giving an opinion either way as I'm not qualified to do so. This also seems like a pretty poor proposition for me since you don't seem to be the type that concedes they're wrong or a good judge of what's real or fake comparing your opinion to the other people's around here. Furthermore why would I risk 50$ to gain nothing even if I was "right" (again not my opinion).

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
its not a discussion. I've made up my mind that those cards are fake. I was just letting everyone know about it.

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Originally posted by coolio:
you understand that the mods on this site come to me on issues of authentication right? I'm one of the resident consultants on the matter

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You cant tell unless you have the card under a microscope in front of you. You are not magic.

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Originally posted by jb231:
I don't remember giving an opinion either way as I'm not qualified to do so. This also seems like a pretty poor proposition for me since you don't seem to be the type that concedes they're wrong or a good judge of what's real or fake comparing your opinion to the other people's around here. Furthermore why would I risk 50$ to gain nothing even if I was "right" (again not my opinion).

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I would be under the burden of proof. I will need to provide proof, microscopic or otherwise, in order to keep the money.

chain of events would be something like this:
I receive package,
I videotape opening the package.
I get a good long video of the card.
I take card to my school's lab where I can verify authenticity.
I give results.

I would perform all the common non destructive tests. most importantly, comparison of every pixel of ink with a real card. I dont care how good you are- you can't get every single pixel right without literally hundreds of hours of investment, something I doubt somebody would be willing to do with a taiga.

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Originally posted by kingtal0n:
I would be under the burden of proof. I will need to provide proof, microscopic or otherwise, in order to keep the money.

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and yet, your ranting, and inability to even realize your ramblings are unwarranted is troublesome to think you can tell whether a card is real or not even in person, and as you proclaim.. "under a microscope"

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edit: school lab? to verify authenticity? do you even have a clue what to look for?

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Originally posted by coolio:
and yet, your ranting, and inability to even realize your ramblings are unwarranted is troublesome to think you can tell whether a card is real or not even in person, and as you proclaim.. "under a microscope"

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edit: school lab? to verify authenticity? do you even have a clue what to look for?

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