|
Author
|
Topic: Modern Master 2015 Discussion
|
thror
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 01:27 PM
     
they've changed it at least once; they removed anything from beta that was printed as an uncommon.http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Reserved_List#Reserved_until_March_2002 this might be what you're remembering about underworld dreams. that was originally printed as an uncommon and shouldnt be on the list.
|
junichi
Moderator
|
posted December 10, 2014 02:04 PM
  
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't MTGO bypass the reserved list? Isn't vintage a lot more affordable on MTGO than their physical counterpart?__________________
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻"The enemy has been destroyed, sir. So have the forest, the city, your palace, your dog . . ."
—Keldon soldier
|
thror
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 02:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't MTGO bypass the reserved list? Isn't vintage a lot more affordable on MTGO than their physical counterpart?
true and true. lotus is 140, sapphire is 60, recall is 50. however, after 5? iterations, the program is still terrible.
|
revenger
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 04:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
however, after 5? iterations, the program is still terrible.
They have slowly gotten worse with each one. The latest is by far the worst. __________________
30th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
|
KIP_NZ
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 06:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Curious, what cards have they taken off of the reserved list?. The only card I can think of is underworld dreams.
All uncommons have been removed including powerhouses like Mana Drain and Force of Will. Also they changed the entry criteria for the reserved list with Saga block AFTER printing of the block it but before the release of 7th ed which would have enforced every rare and uncommon not reprinted in 7th to be on it. They instead only added the cards that had value on rotation from standard instead leaving powerhouses such as:
Sneak Attack
Show and Tell
Goblin Welder Off the list and putting gems like
Morphling
Ring of Gix
Great Whale
on the list.
__________________
I only play eternal formats
Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired)
Current Grumpy old man Level 2 (Active)
|
Demilio
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 06:10 PM
This thread is getting off track. I think that it's pretty ridiculous that the MSRP is $10. They are shafting the stores and the players that support them. GP and weekly tournament prices are out of control expensive.
|
Volcanon
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 07:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Demilio:
This thread is getting off track. I think that it's pretty ridiculous that the MSRP is $10. They are shafting the stores and the players that support them. GP and weekly tournament prices are out of control expensive.
I never saw MM packs for anything as cheap as $10.
|
chaos021
Member
|
posted December 10, 2014 09:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I never saw MM packs for anything as cheap as $10.
To further add onto this, I stood next to the guy at the counter of my local LGS on a day they received a shipment of MM. He trolled every soul that came up to the counter to buy a pack (@ $13 each), and they kept selling out. The LGS couldn't keep them on the shelves. There was even talk of raising the price.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on December 10, 2014]
|
Pail42
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 12:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I never saw MM packs for anything as cheap as $10.
I don't remember it being hard to preorder at very near MSRP (I did), but after release all the prices went up.
|
mm1983
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 04:40 AM
Cheapest I could get MM as a sealed box was $200 when the MSRP was $168 but they quickly went up to $250 and then even higher soon after.
|
Pail42
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 09:03 AM
I would be surprised if Damnation wasn't in MM2015 - it seems obvious since it didn't get a reprint in MMA or FTV:Annihilation and it is very popular.quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Ya, the fact that damnation was the 4 mana wrath in the mono black commander product was annoying enough. if it isn't in mma2 I'll scream.
They weren't going to reprint a $40 card in a fixed product that sells for $35 MSRP (unless they do it for every deck). http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/281
"...I don't like that the decks offer such different value propositions when there's an imbalance like there is here. We'll be doing our best to maximize equality in fixed products going forward!"
|
oneofchaos
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 10:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I never saw MM packs for anything as cheap as $10.
To be fair, at least if the MSRP is higher the odds of the markup being MM1 level is a lot less. It arguably feels better to pay $15 for a MSRP $10 than it does to pay $15 for an MSRP $7.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by oneofchaos on December 11, 2014]
|
Volcanon
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 02:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
To be fair, at least if the MSRP is higher the odds of the markup being MM1 level is a lot less. It arguably feels better to pay $15 for a MSRP $10 than it does to pay $15 for an MSRP $7.
Either way it's far too expensive. I did one MM draft in paper land and a few phantom ones online, but that's it. Would be nice if they offered at least a release draft at something affordable. I *have* a job now but I still can't just drop $50 on a draft where I'm more likely than not going to end up with $3 in cards.
|
revenger
Member
|
posted December 11, 2014 04:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I still can't just drop $50 on a draft where I'm more likely than not going to end up with $3 in cards.
And Amen! __________________
30th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
|
Pail42
Member
|
posted December 12, 2014 08:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
And Amen!
I agree. I can't afford the $10 lottery unless the value is absolutely bonkers ... like Aether Vial at uncommon and Tarmogoyf at rare.
|
mm1983
Member
|
posted December 12, 2014 03:46 PM
I think you'll see many more $30-60 value cards that modern masters 1 didn't have and possibly no cards of bob or tarmogoyf value level in modern masters 2.
|
kingtal0n
Member
|
posted December 24, 2014 11:58 AM
What I think is strange is that they are showing us Emrakul first. If you check the pricing for it, you notice it kind of went up and up and up, and then sort of plateaus, and I suppose what happens next is people realized there would be reprint and its coming down quickly now. So what other sorts of cards, like Emrakul, were going up up up to almost $50-, then sort of plateau recently, ...
|
Demilio
Member
|
posted December 24, 2014 12:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I never saw MM packs for anything as cheap as $10.
Plenty of stores had them at MSRP in the USA initially.
|
kingtal0n
Member
|
posted December 25, 2014 08:34 AM
Here I just found one,
http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/5430Divining top sort of trails off and looks like its about to do the same thing as emrakul. Its also really popular. And uncommon. Im afraid to buy them now. Its like people already know which cards will be re-printed, and other people can guess that they know. Mob mentality.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by kingtal0n on December 25, 2014]
|
flam flawless
Member
|
posted December 28, 2014 03:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
I think you'll see many more $30-60 value cards that modern masters 1 didn't have and possibly no cards of bob or tarmogoyf value level in modern masters 2.
I believe this too. And other than possibly 1-2 drafts on MTGO, there'll be ZERO chance of me buying these inflated lottery tickets irl.
|
nylarotep
Member
|
posted December 29, 2014 08:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kingtal0n:
Here I just found one,
http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/5430Divining top sort of trails off and looks like its about to do the same thing as emrakul. Its also really popular. And uncommon. Im afraid to buy them now. Its like people already know which cards will be re-printed, and other people can guess that they know. Mob mentality.
Divining Top is on the Modern banned list (and not very likely to come off), so it's not going to see a reprint in MMA2.
|
slurpee
Member
|
posted December 29, 2014 10:14 AM
What I have a problem with on Modern masters or name any other special set like Commander's Arsenal or FTv. 15 cards in a regular pack MSRP around 4.00, Retailers price about 2.00. Companies production cost probably less then .50 for the pack. FTV, CA, MM around 15 cards and well the packaging may be a buck more...retailers charged and consumers pay more. To me this is Hasbro always getting greedy, to people this is a chance to get cards again, to retailers it is another profit vehicle. For those who question will they reprint the reserved list, No it won't be anytime soon. I consider these sets as ways around it, but to me it also shows if times get desperate it will happen.
|
junichi
Moderator
|
posted December 29, 2014 10:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by slurpee:
What I have a problem with on Modern masters or name any other special set like Commander's Arsenal or FTv. 15 cards in a regular pack MSRP around 4.00, Retailers price about 2.00. Companies production cost probably less then .50 for the pack. FTV, CA, MM around 15 cards and well the packaging may be a buck more...retailers charged and consumers pay more. To me this is Hasbro always getting greedy, to people this is a chance to get cards again, to retailers it is another profit vehicle. For those who question will they reprint the reserved list, No it won't be anytime soon. I consider these sets as ways around it, but to me it also shows if times get desperate it will happen.
What's wrong with a company trying to make more money by producing more products that consumers want?
__________________
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻"The enemy has been destroyed, sir. So have the forest, the city, your palace, your dog . . ."
—Keldon soldier
|
slurpee
Member
|
posted December 29, 2014 10:37 AM
The problem is do you play magic because the cards have value on a secondary market or because you enjoy it. If I sold you something for XX dollars and then 5 years later I say hey it was popular costs me about the same to make, but I want 2-3X more at your cost for you to have it...
Its fine if you play just to enjoy having the cards, although you could just proxy the cards have enjoyment as well.
If you play because of it has value and I can sell it to someone else then MMA is a way to cut the value and extract more money out of the player base. If these products actually costed the same percentage of Cost:retailer:Consumer that is one thing but we all know that an MSRP of 80 on Commander's Arsenal, 160 to the consumer, didn't cost the company even 20.00 to make. Again step back and ask yourself who truly benefits by making these special sets?? Hasbro Yes, the Retailer Yes, you the consumer....how often do you spend 20.00 on a pack of MMA only to open cards worth less, most likely 90% of the time, now if those same cards were the orginal that percentage would be more in line, but with the reprint unless they are mythic they lost value. Again that is only if you play because you have value in something. When someone buys a board game do they go, hey this is worth XX dollars on the secondary market?? No they buy it because they enjoy games. Most games are fun, when they make it to the public it is because people in general found them fun. Or ask yourself, if the cards were gold bordered not tournament legal, but the packs were 2.00 would anyone buy them? You could have all the fun drafting for no value after the fact, but for 6.00 you could play. Cards in MM are not hard to find, it was just at some point they were expensive to acquire. MM gives people the perception of perceived value when in fact the product they are getting is worth less then before they made it.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by slurpee on December 29, 2014]
  |
mm1983
Member
|
posted December 29, 2014 11:38 AM
For 2 years in a row right around Christmas time my buddy and I opened a box of modern masters to draft for "fun". First year we did it we did not charge for people to play but my buddy and I got to keep what we drafted and whatever else we wanted out of the box. We made everything free game except for if any bobs, goyfs, cryptic command, or swords were pulled. Fortunately for us on our end a foil bob was pulled but none of the other cards were pulled. Our friends were happy as they got a free sarkhan vol, arcbound ravager, doubling season, and others and we could still break even on the box value at that time. Just recently we both had loose packs of modern masters that we bought for somewhere between $14-17 a pack and we just opened them and drafted for fun. We decided to keep everything that was opened from those packs because everybody got to draft for free and we still offered up a sealed fat pack of khans for the winner. Needless to say our value wasn't there like it was a year ago but it was still great fun playing around with modern masters cards.
|
Magic Online Trading League Bulletin Board
UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! 
