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Vegas10
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It's official in may coinciding with the 3 mystery GP's Modern Masters 2015 or MM2 if you like is released on May 22. It will have cards from Mirridon through New Phyrexia. I believe in 3 languages. Here is the link, discuss the possibilities. GP Vegas can hold up to 10k.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/modern-masters-2015-edition-and-celebration-2014-12-07

 
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I don't like this at all. They are going back to sets they already dealt with in Modern Masters 1 with the addition of Zendikar and Scars of Mirrodin. Not only is it too soon for a Modern Masters 2 to happen but they will more than likely be reprinting product that many people already have therefore making this no better than a M20** core set. What made Modern Masters 1 special was the fact that they only printed it in English and limited the event to 1 place with 5,000 people. With allowing more people to play and printing this in other languages this will hardly be what Modern Masters 1 was.
 
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uhh, modern masters 1 packs were available in local game stores. modern masters 1 was also a 100% reprint set, just like an m10. it is SUPPOSED to reprint product people have. it's a supply and demand nozzle. instead of mass printing something like Goyf, V clique, zen fetches in a real set, they can limit the supply. This allows new ones to enter the market and keep prices stable, instead of crashing them.

and this garbage about 'it wont be special if more people can play' is crap. 3 GPs, all on the same weekend. 20k people cap. sounds pretty damn limited to me.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on December 07, 2014]

 
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Yes they were available in game stores but in limited supply. They are going to overprint this seeing as it's in Japanese and Chinese as well. This is only going to kill the value of many modern staples.
 
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The game is even more popular now than when MMA was released. I don't think they will overprint or oversupply this. The demand is there and it is very high.

I am personally not a fan of the higher MSRP but WotC is a business and making money is the goal. I do like that it is a reprint only set so I am under no pressure to buy from a collector's standpoint.

Interesting to note that Emrakul is 003/249. We get 20 extra uncommons as well as All is Dust and Eldrazi Conscription? Or perhaps we get Artisan of Kozilek instead.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Yes they were available in game stores but in limited supply. They are going to overprint this seeing as it's in Japanese and Chinese as well. This is only going to kill the value of many modern staples.

They were so badly limited that the set (and event) increased demand for modern more than it supplied product. Tarmogoyf costs near twice what it did before MM came out. As far as I know, the only cards that actually lost value were commons and uncommons.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Yes they were available in game stores but in limited supply. They are going to overprint this seeing as it's in Japanese and Chinese as well. This is only going to kill the value of many modern staples.

Attitudes like this are bad for the game, the high cost / barrier to entry for formats are terrible for growth. Reprint it all I say so people who want to play actually can.

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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
Attitudes like this are bad for the game, the high cost / barrier to entry for formats are terrible for growth. Reprint it all I say so people who want to play actually can.


QFT.

I'm all for not reprinting stuff to death, but the prices of Modern staples shows they missed the boat on the Modern Masters print run. If people who want to play can't get the cards, Modern as a format will not grow. They've already taken my Extended from me. Don't let Modern go the same way please.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
Attitudes like this are bad for the game, the high cost / barrier to entry for formats are terrible for growth. Reprint it all I say so people who want to play actually can.


I think WotC should be slightly more liberal in reprinting things, but not so much so that our cards become worthless like Yu-Gi-Oh.

 
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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
Attitudes like this are bad for the game, the high cost / barrier to entry for formats are terrible for growth. Reprint it all I say so people who want to play actually can.



Agree they already have formats if you don't want to worry about reprints as much it's called Legacy and Vintage where there is a reserved list, the specifically made Modern so they coukld have an eternal format that they could reprint cards if the demand necessated it, it's simply good business.

 
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I am soooo gonna be there this time. Last time I had to tdeal with a wife and her dysfunctional children. GP Vegas will be the time to for other Motlers to meet the one and only Revenger, so y'all better start saving for it like me now!

As for the cards they are reprinting, I really kinda don't care. The cards I want em to reprint, they ain't gonna anyways due to the cards being on the reserved list.

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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:

Agree they already have formats if you don't want to worry about reprints as much it's called Legacy and Vintage where there is a reserved list, the specifically made Modern so they coukld have an eternal format that they could reprint cards if the demand necessated it, it's simply good business.

Let's be clear, I'm very anti the reserved list as well. Stupid list is killing Legacy like it killed vintage in 2000-02. Reprint them all......

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mm1983
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Keep power 9, duals, and everything from Legends, Antiquities, and Arabian Nights on the Reserve list. I am fine with everything else being reprinted and off the reserve list. They have printed and in quite a few cases reprinted newer cards that are better than cards that are still on the reserve list.
 
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Here's the usual information page from WotC.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/announcing-modern-masters-2015-edition-2014-12-08

Physical MSRP $9.99, MODO MSRP $6.99. (MM was $6.99)

I expect to see much better value per pack at $9.99. If they print a cycle of mostly stupid dragons at mythic I might pass on this entirely.

I do like that it is called "2015 edition", get ready for this to happen every few years.

 
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So is Modern Masters going to be new "core set" we get every 2 years, with reprints only? It's like we're going back to the days of 7th edition. Not that I'm complaining, just making an observation that we've sort of come full circle.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
I don't like this at all. They are going back to sets they already dealt with in Modern Masters 1 with the addition of Zendikar and Scars of Mirrodin. Not only is it too soon for a Modern Masters 2 to happen but they will more than likely be reprinting product that many people already have therefore making this no better than a M20** core set. What made Modern Masters 1 special was the fact that they only printed it in English and limited the event to 1 place with 5,000 people. With allowing more people to play and printing this in other languages this will hardly be what Modern Masters 1 was.

No, it's not too soon. There was more than enough stuff that they skipped in MM1 that they can do MM2 without reprinting stuff from MM1 or just reprinting the few cards that continue to rise (Goyf, Dark Confidant, Cryptic Command, ect.) They should have a good idea of how much they should print from the first set. I expect it to still be very limited and with a SRP of 10.00, it will be nothing like M20xx.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Keep power 9, duals, and everything from Legends, Antiquities, and Arabian Nights on the Reserve list. I am fine with everything else being reprinted and off the reserve list. They have printed and in quite a few cases reprinted newer cards that are better than cards that are still on the reserve list.

Why keep them on the list? Just abolish the list and reprint them so people can actually play.

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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
Why keep them on the list? Just abolish the list and reprint them so people can actually play.


As long as WOTC ditches the CCG and goes to just a CG, sure.

 
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People collected just fine before the reserved list was developed. The reserved list is crippling some of Magic's finest formats. As a vintage player and a collector, I'd like to see the reserved list abolished, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

As for MM 2015, I'm a bit disappointed that it won't be "legacy masters." I won't be buying many packs because I have no interest in modern but I do like the idea of finally getting my hands on some of the legacy staples I am missing.

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Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
People collected just fine before the reserved list was developed. The reserved list is crippling some of Magic's finest formats. As a vintage player and a collector, I'd like to see the reserved list abolished, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

As for MM 2015, I'm a bit disappointed that it won't be "legacy masters." I won't be buying many packs because I have no interest in modern but I do like the idea of finally getting my hands on some of the legacy staples I am missing.


Chronicles almost killed the game.

Granted, the fact they made the reserved list is what it is. Live by the promise you made. People may be unhappy but I think it's respectable to defend that promise.

 
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I personally believe that they should peel back the reserve list. The game is getting way to expensive. For cards that are fallen empires to now I am fine with Commanders arsenal stuff, FTV, and other special editions as long as they have new art and they have the opportunity to be foil.

On Revised and older, I would suggest a mega mythic for big money cards and regular mythics for stuff like sneak attack, yawg will, gaea's craddle and mega for duals and power. One per every 6 cases or so. Not boxes. Again new art, foil available. limited to some certain number. say 1000 and then they are individually numbered as well. Perhaps a modern masters type format/legacy/vintage. High MSRP of at least 10.00

Would 1000 underground seas make a difference and say 100 foils. Probably not, the fact that they are so limited would make them desirable, but hey at least it would get people talking about those formats. Make 5k and 1k foils and you probably would make a difference in the prices of the power and duals, but most mythics in Modern masters didn't dent the original printings.

On the note of a promise, companies break them all the time. I also would point out that the promise was made before Hasbro and they could say we want the money more. Would I be upset, probably not given the fact that the prices have gotten to the point that even I go hey it's cardboard and a game. Keep in mind this is a game, sure it is collectible, tradeable and what not, but it is a game. Games are meant to be playable and when cards are 300 a piece and you need four of them and then no one can touch them or look at them for fear of damage, what fun is that. I have no problem with the lotus being 1k a piece, and other power at 250, but 4k and 500 is to much. Yes the market is bearing it, but who really gets to play with cards that were meant for a game.

[Edited 4 times, lastly by slurpee on December 10, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by slurpee:
I personally believe that they should peel back the reserve list. The game is getting way to expensive. For cards that are fallen empires to now I am fine with Commanders arsenal stuff, FTV, and other special editions as long as they have new art and they have the opportunity to be foil.

On Revised and older, I would suggest a mega mythic for big money cards and regular mythics for stuff like sneak attack, yawg will, gaea's craddle and mega for duals and power. One per every 6 cases or so. Not boxes. Again new art, foil available. limited to some certain number. say 1000 and then they are individually numbered as well. Perhaps a modern masters type format/legacy/vintage. High MSRP of at least 10.00


You are still breaking a promise in the act of doing it.

 
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I have no problem with the lotus being 1k a piece, and other power at 250...[/B]

Ah....

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
You are still breaking a promise in the act of doing it.

They have modified the reserved list several times, each time taking cards off or more strictly limiting what was placed on it going forward. Once they took the first card off that was already on they "broke the promise".

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Truman:
They have modified the reserved list several times, each time taking cards off or more strictly limiting what was placed on it going forward. Once they took the first card off that was already on they "broke the promise".

Curious, what cards have they taken off of the reserved list?. The only card I can think of is underworld dreams.

 

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