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Originally posted by slurpee:
The problem is do you play magic because the cards have value on a secondary market or because you enjoy it.

If I sold you something for XX dollars and then 5 years later I say hey it was popular costs me about the same to make, but I want 2-3X more at your cost for you to have it...

Its fine if you play just to enjoy having the cards, although you could just proxy the cards have enjoyment as well.

If you play because of it has value and I can sell it to someone else then MMA is a way to cut the value and extract more money out of the player base. If these products actually costed the same percentage of Cost:retailer:Consumer that is one thing but we all know that an MSRP of 80 on Commander's Arsenal, 160 to the consumer, didn't cost the company even 20.00 to make.

Again step back and ask yourself who truly benefits by making these special sets?? Hasbro Yes, the Retailer Yes, you the consumer....how often do you spend 20.00 on a pack of MMA only to open cards worth less, most likely 90% of the time, now if those same cards were the orginal that percentage would be more in line, but with the reprint unless they are mythic they lost value. Again that is only if you play because you have value in something.

When someone buys a board game do they go, hey this is worth XX dollars on the secondary market?? No they buy it because they enjoy games. Most games are fun, when they make it to the public it is because people in general found them fun.

Or ask yourself, if the cards were gold bordered not tournament legal, but the packs were 2.00 would anyone buy them? You could have all the fun drafting for no value after the fact, but for 6.00 you could play.

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Sorry, but I honestly don't see why Hasbro wouldn't want to sell their products at the maximum price. What it cost them and what it was sold for is irrelevant, when current market demand and price are what really matters. I understand it sucks for consumers to have to pay more to get sought after products, but that's life. Last I checked, Hasbro isn't a non profit organization.

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Originally posted by pugowar:
Any one think we see Dark Depths in MM2?

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Originally posted by Demilio:
Filter, Man, or Fast lands in MM2k15?

While I'd like to see filter lands reprinted, I think man lands will be in it.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
What if they reprinted cards not presently legal in modern as a way to introduce them into Modern without ruining standard?

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I think they could do that gimmick in the future, but it would be better to save it for a later time (to increase interest) and an unlimited print run.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
What if they reprinted cards not presently legal in modern as a way to introduce them into Modern without ruining standard?

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
They already do this in products like Conspiracy and Duel Decks and Commander decks and such which is a good outlet for those sort of things.

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Originally posted by thror:
except those cards arent modern legal, only eternal formats get cards this way. personally, i would prefer they didn't add cards to modern that arent healthy in standard, the format has enough silly stuff going on as is.

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The threshold for silly in modern VS. silly in standard is quite a bit different. Standard is actually a very safe place to print cards because there are fewer broken interactions.

Of the cards currently banned in modern only* Jace, Stoneforge, Skullclamp, and the artifact lands were banned in standard.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
The threshold for silly in modern VS. silly in standard is quite a bit different. Standard is actually a very safe place to print cards because there are fewer broken interactions.

Of the cards currently banned in modern only* Jace, Stoneforge, Skullclamp, and the artifact lands were banned in standard.

*-based on my memory

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Originally posted by Pail42:
The threshold for silly in modern VS. silly in standard is quite a bit different. Standard is actually a very safe place to print cards because there are fewer broken interactions.

Of the cards currently banned in modern only* Jace, Stoneforge, Skullclamp, and the artifact lands were banned in standard.

*-based on my memory

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Originally posted by thror:
sure, but you're looking at it backward from what i meant. If it's too silly to print in standard, how bad would it be in modern??

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Probably not that bad because there is already so much silly stuff in modern.

I'm not saying it's not possible, Ancestral Recall is too powerful in any format that has existed thus far. It's just hard to print a card that is too good for both formats if you actually take care to put cards in the right block.

Thragtusk dominated standard for a year and sees zero play in modern. Disciple of the Vault was banned in standard and sees no modern play.
Treasure Cruise is warping modern and has little impact in standard.

Most cards that are "too powerful" in modern are because of the interactions with other cards. Stoneforge is a horribly broken card, but only if you have powerful expensive equipment in the format. Artifact lands are banned because affinity and metalcraft would be ridiculous otherwise. in the current standard artifact lands wouldn't change anything.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
Artifact lands were banned in Standard?

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Yes, because after Ravager was banned it was determined that affinity was still too powerful back in original Mirrodin-Kamigawa standard.

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They were actually banned at the same time as Ravager along with Disciple of the Vault*. I was originally thinking this happened pre-Kamigawa. I know standard was miserable at that time, but I was too busy playing the Deciper LotR TCG and WoW

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/announce/dci20050301a

Here's a fun timeline of all the bans and restrictions:
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Timeline_of_DCI_bans_and_restrictions

*Biggest omission in From the Vaults:Exiled

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Originally posted by Pail42:
They were actually banned at the same time as Ravager along with Disciple of the Vault*. I was originally thinking this happened pre-Kamigawa. I know standard was miserable at that time, but I was too busy playing the Deciper LotR TCG and WoW

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/announce/dci20050301a

Here's a fun timeline of all the bans and restrictions:
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Timeline_of_DCI_bans_and_restrictions

*Biggest omission in From the Vaults:Exiled

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