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LandDestroyer
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posted March 06, 2015 01:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View LandDestroyer's Have/Want ListView LandDestroyer's Have/Want List
Just copying what I posted on reddit here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2y6hb7/i_dont_care_but_if_you_want_to _complain_about/
I'm getting downvoted for stupid reasons though.

In my best WOTC voice:

In case your collection hadn't lost enough value after we reprinted
The shock lands
The onslaught fetches
Thoughtseize
Stifle
Chord of calling
Misdirection
Exploration
The medallions
Goblin welder
Mother of runes
Maze of ith
Modern masters commons/uncommons/edh cards
etc

and after we banned your
Deathrite shaman
Birthing pod
Dig through time
Second sunrise
Bloodbraid elf
etc

Here is 'Battle for Zendikar' where you might expect us to reprint the Zendikar fetches to make sure all fetches are under $9.

Oh, and we're reprinting all of your expensive modern stuff like Tarmogoyf (which we might as well reprint every 2 years) and Karn Liberated, etc etc.

And 1 more thing. You know all these expensive cards?

Force of will
Wasteland
Mana drain
Show and tell
Sneak attack
Karakas
Goblin Lackey
Grind stone
Ensnaring bridge
Oath of druids
Price of progress
Chain ligntning
Natural order
All of the various tutors like vampiric, mystical, demonic, etc
Various expensive slivers
The Filter lands and other random lands

None of those are on the reserve list and can and WILL be reprinted just like all these other cards because we're WOTC and can print money whenever we want.

Look at this article and all the cards they've already reprinted

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/finance/24792-I-Hate-The-Reserved-List.html
What else did I miss? :-P

[Edited 2 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on March 06, 2015]

 
Pail42
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Edit: All my questions were answered by the thread title and the post for magic stuff.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 06, 2015]
 
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lol that is just too funny!
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Edit: All my questions were answered by the thread title and the post for magic stuff.

haha ....ok

 
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The reserved list is only the reason Seto Kaiba always wins. The 1% are always pushing their agenda.
 
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Its a game.. its ment to be played. less avalability and restrictive costs are bad. Wotc wants players not collectors And financial investors.
 
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quote:

Its a game.. its ment to be played. less avalability and restrictive costs are bad. Wotc wants players not collectors And financial investors.

Its called a CCG for a reason. You know what the first C stands for right? WoTC doesn't care who buys their cards as long as they are buying them but when they reprint every valuable card to death and nothing holds value anymore, collectors and players will not be so eager to shell out the type of money they have in the past. Magic got to where it is because their cards have held value and Wizards has been careful with what is reprinted and how. Now that the game has exploded in popularity, WoTC is starting to reprint the crap out of everything which is a change to the way they have traditionally gone about things and I think its going to hurt the game in the long run. How far away are we from Yugioh style reprint tins?

 
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it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.

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quote:

it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.

Why do you think those are mutually exclusive? In most circles they are interchangeable. Regardless, there is nothing for me to get over. If they reprinted every card not on the no-reprint list into oblivion it wouldn't affect me much financially. I don't have much of a stake either way. I just think they are changing in a way that will affect the long term health of the game. I'm sorry my opinion doesn't match up with yours.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Nitelite:
I don't have much of a stake either way. I just think they are changing in a way that will affect the long term health of the game.

cards are more available and more people can play any given format?

You seem to mention yu-gi-oh tins as a negative to reprints, as far as I'm aware that game is thriving quite well. The values of cards fluctuate, but that isn't what the game is about...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Nitelite:
Its called a CCG for a reason. You know what the first C stands for right? WoTC doesn't care who buys their cards as long as they are buying them but when they reprint every valuable card to death and nothing holds value anymore, collectors and players will not be so eager to shell out the type of money they have in the past. Magic got to where it is because their cards have held value and Wizards has been careful with what is reprinted and how. Now that the game has exploded in popularity, WoTC is starting to reprint the crap out of everything which is a change to the way they have traditionally gone about things and I think its going to hurt the game in the long run. How far away are we from Yugioh style reprint tins?

As long as they reprint strategically and carefully, it will be good for long term health of the game, There are a ton more players than their was a decade ago, heck even 5 years ago. Having to shell ok 1k plus just to field a competitive deck in any non-standard format is not healthy for getting players into said formats, so strategically reprinting cards to increase availability of those cards and keep the costs manageable is good for health of the game as long as they don't take it too far and all cards are near worthless levels, it's a balancing act and so far so good.

 
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posted March 07, 2015 05:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
As long as they reprint strategically and carefully, it will be good for long term health of the game, There are a ton more players than their was a decade ago, heck even 5 years ago. Having to shell ok 1k plus just to field a competitive deck in any non-standard format is not healthy for getting players into said formats, so strategically reprinting cards to increase availability of those cards and keep the costs manageable is good for health of the game as long as they don't take it too far and all cards are near worthless levels, it's a balancing act and so far so good.

I agree with strategic reprints of that helps to increase the number of MTG players. However, there are now rumors of Zen fetches being reprinted in fall of 2015. With Onslaught fetches reprinted just last year, does wotc need to reprint Zen fetches that fast? A wait to 2016 is probably better, just like how 2013 MM reprinted Goyf and 2015 MM2 will reprint Goyf again after prices remain stubbornly high.

Whether reprints are strategic in nature or just a naked money grab, we will know the answer by observing whether Zen fetches are reprinted in 2015 or later.

 
Pail42
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
Whether reprints are strategic in nature or just a naked money grab, we will know the answer by observing whether Zen fetches are reprinted in 2015 or later.

Why can't the strategy be, "reprint lands until they are $10"? I think that would be very good for the health of the game.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Why can't the strategy be, "reprint lands until they are $10"? I think that would be very good for the health of the game.

If fetches are reprinted once every 2 year (optimistic view considering 2015 will have battle for zendikar), or every year (likely as Wotc currently seems to be addicted to trying to better previous year record high sales), do you think rationale players will pay $10 for a fetch? More likely $5-6.

 
Demilio
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I don't really see the point of your post.

I did enjoy this response though:

[–]SCG General ManagerBenBleiweiss
Force of will - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Wasteland - Reprinted TWICE, Judge FOil and Player Rewards FOil
Show and tell - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Sneak attack - Reprinted, Judge FOil
Karakas - Reprinted, Judge FOil
Goblin Lackey - Reprinted, FTV: Exiled
Ensnaring Bridge - Reprinted, 7th & 8th Edition
Oath of druids - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Price of progress - Reprinted, Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning
Chain ligntning - Reprinted, PDS: Fire & Lightning
Natural order - Reprinted TWICE, Portal 1 & Judge Foil
NOT YET REPRINTED
Mana drain
Grind stone

 
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Leave it to WOTC to devalue the American Dollar. They are about to try and do it again with a 2nd reprint of Tarmogoyf for Modern Masters 2. That Tarmogoyf you just spent $175 on might now only be worth $100 when MM2 gets released. Almost all original prints of the cards mentioned on the first list of LandDestroyers are now worth 1/2 or 1/3 of the price they once were.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
If fetches are reprinted once every 2 year (optimistic view considering 2015 will have battle for zendikar), or every year (likely as Wotc currently seems to be addicted to trying to better previous year record high sales), do you think rationale players will pay $10 for a fetch? More likely $5-6.


I would love it if they were only $5-6, but the only realistic way for that to happen would probably be printing a full cycle of fetches and shocks in standard every three years or so.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.


If WOTC openly admits it's a TCG I'll lay off with the reprint hate.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If WOTC openly admits it's a TCG I'll lay off with the reprint hate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Demilio:
I don't really see the point of your post.

I did enjoy this response though:

[–]SCG General ManagerBenBleiweiss
Force of will - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Wasteland - Reprinted TWICE, Judge FOil and Player Rewards FOil
Show and tell - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Sneak attack - Reprinted, Judge FOil
Karakas - Reprinted, Judge FOil
Goblin Lackey - Reprinted, FTV: Exiled
Ensnaring Bridge - Reprinted, 7th & 8th Edition
Oath of druids - Reprinted, Judge Foil
Price of progress - Reprinted, Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning
Chain ligntning - Reprinted, PDS: Fire & Lightning
Natural order - Reprinted TWICE, Portal 1 & Judge Foil
NOT YET REPRINTED
Mana drain
Grind stone


The point was what I'm seeing, to see people talk about how they feel.

https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0045/08/1369438095022.gif

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Leave it to WOTC to devalue the American Dollar. They are about to try and do it again with a 2nd reprint of Tarmogoyf for Modern Masters 2. That Tarmogoyf you just spent $175 on might now only be worth $100 when MM2 gets released. Almost all original prints of the cards mentioned on the first list of LandDestroyers are now worth 1/2 or 1/3 of the price they once were.

Who cares? It was overpriced anyway. I say this as an owner of 4 from Future Sight. If people need the cards to play and this gets them there, I'm all for it. If you want to invest in stocks, go to the stock market. You people are insane.

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http://i.lvme.me/743pv7l.jpg
 
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I kind of look at it as wotc doesnt make money of off old singles and so doesnt care about the resale market.All they care about is selling mass sealed product to their retailers.Before they only had core sets and expansions.Now they have modern masters,conspiracy,duel decks and ftvs.Theyve expanded their product line so that requires reprinting cards and making more money.Dont look as magic as a stock.Enjoy it.
 
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I feel your frustration. This reason is one of the reasons i have stopped buying.
 
Demilio
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quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
The point was what I'm seeing, to see people talk about how they feel.

https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0045/08/1369438095022.gif



I see, so you're just trolling.

 

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