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Topic: I don't care, but if YOU want to complain about reprints here is a place
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted March 06, 2015 01:59 PM
  
Just copying what I posted on reddit here: http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2y6hb7/i_dont_care_but_if_you_want_to _complain_about/ I'm getting downvoted for stupid reasons though.In my best WOTC voice: In case your collection hadn't lost enough value after we reprinted The shock lands The onslaught fetches Thoughtseize Stifle Chord of calling Misdirection Exploration The medallions Goblin welder Mother of runes Maze of ith Modern masters commons/uncommons/edh cards etc and after we banned your Deathrite shaman Birthing pod Dig through time Second sunrise Bloodbraid elf etc Here is 'Battle for Zendikar' where you might expect us to reprint the Zendikar fetches to make sure all fetches are under $9. Oh, and we're reprinting all of your expensive modern stuff like Tarmogoyf (which we might as well reprint every 2 years) and Karn Liberated, etc etc. And 1 more thing. You know all these expensive cards? Force of will Wasteland Mana drain Show and tell Sneak attack Karakas Goblin Lackey Grind stone Ensnaring bridge Oath of druids Price of progress Chain ligntning Natural order All of the various tutors like vampiric, mystical, demonic, etc Various expensive slivers The Filter lands and other random lands None of those are on the reserve list and can and WILL be reprinted just like all these other cards because we're WOTC and can print money whenever we want. Look at this article and all the cards they've already reprinted http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/finance/24792-I-Hate-The-Reserved-List.html What else did I miss? :-P
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 06, 2015 02:22 PM

Edit: All my questions were answered by the thread title and the post for magic stuff.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 06, 2015]
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yodadoc1234 Member
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posted March 06, 2015 02:32 PM
  
lol that is just too funny!
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted March 06, 2015 02:39 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Pail42: Edit: All my questions were answered by the thread title and the post for magic stuff.
haha ....ok
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dfitzg88 Member
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posted March 06, 2015 07:16 PM

The reserved list is only the reason Seto Kaiba always wins. The 1% are always pushing their agenda.
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helpmehelpyou Member
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posted March 06, 2015 07:52 PM
  
Its a game.. its ment to be played. less avalability and restrictive costs are bad. Wotc wants players not collectors And financial investors.
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Nitelite Member
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posted March 06, 2015 09:15 PM

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Its a game.. its ment to be played. less avalability and restrictive costs are bad. Wotc wants players not collectors And financial investors.
Its called a CCG for a reason. You know what the first C stands for right? WoTC doesn't care who buys their cards as long as they are buying them but when they reprint every valuable card to death and nothing holds value anymore, collectors and players will not be so eager to shell out the type of money they have in the past. Magic got to where it is because their cards have held value and Wizards has been careful with what is reprinted and how. Now that the game has exploded in popularity, WoTC is starting to reprint the crap out of everything which is a change to the way they have traditionally gone about things and I think its going to hurt the game in the long run. How far away are we from Yugioh style reprint tins?
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thror Member
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posted March 06, 2015 09:51 PM

it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<crypticfreak1> jazaray got ahold of me. he also had a hard time finding the email. <Jazaray> She...
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Nitelite Member
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posted March 06, 2015 11:17 PM

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it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.
Why do you think those are mutually exclusive? In most circles they are interchangeable. Regardless, there is nothing for me to get over. If they reprinted every card not on the no-reprint list into oblivion it wouldn't affect me much financially. I don't have much of a stake either way. I just think they are changing in a way that will affect the long term health of the game. I'm sorry my opinion doesn't match up with yours.
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caquaa Member
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posted March 07, 2015 02:09 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Nitelite: I don't have much of a stake either way. I just think they are changing in a way that will affect the long term health of the game.
cards are more available and more people can play any given format? You seem to mention yu-gi-oh tins as a negative to reprints, as far as I'm aware that game is thriving quite well. The values of cards fluctuate, but that isn't what the game is about...
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Vegas10 Member
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posted March 07, 2015 04:08 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Nitelite: Its called a CCG for a reason. You know what the first C stands for right? WoTC doesn't care who buys their cards as long as they are buying them but when they reprint every valuable card to death and nothing holds value anymore, collectors and players will not be so eager to shell out the type of money they have in the past. Magic got to where it is because their cards have held value and Wizards has been careful with what is reprinted and how. Now that the game has exploded in popularity, WoTC is starting to reprint the crap out of everything which is a change to the way they have traditionally gone about things and I think its going to hurt the game in the long run. How far away are we from Yugioh style reprint tins?
As long as they reprint strategically and carefully, it will be good for long term health of the game, There are a ton more players than their was a decade ago, heck even 5 years ago. Having to shell ok 1k plus just to field a competitive deck in any non-standard format is not healthy for getting players into said formats, so strategically reprinting cards to increase availability of those cards and keep the costs manageable is good for health of the game as long as they don't take it too far and all cards are near worthless levels, it's a balancing act and so far so good.
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MTDetermine Member
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posted March 07, 2015 05:32 AM

quote: Originally posted by Vegas10: As long as they reprint strategically and carefully, it will be good for long term health of the game, There are a ton more players than their was a decade ago, heck even 5 years ago. Having to shell ok 1k plus just to field a competitive deck in any non-standard format is not healthy for getting players into said formats, so strategically reprinting cards to increase availability of those cards and keep the costs manageable is good for health of the game as long as they don't take it too far and all cards are near worthless levels, it's a balancing act and so far so good.
I agree with strategic reprints of that helps to increase the number of MTG players. However, there are now rumors of Zen fetches being reprinted in fall of 2015. With Onslaught fetches reprinted just last year, does wotc need to reprint Zen fetches that fast? A wait to 2016 is probably better, just like how 2013 MM reprinted Goyf and 2015 MM2 will reprint Goyf again after prices remain stubbornly high. Whether reprints are strategic in nature or just a naked money grab, we will know the answer by observing whether Zen fetches are reprinted in 2015 or later.
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 07, 2015 07:28 AM

quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: Whether reprints are strategic in nature or just a naked money grab, we will know the answer by observing whether Zen fetches are reprinted in 2015 or later.
Why can't the strategy be, "reprint lands until they are $10"? I think that would be very good for the health of the game.
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MTDetermine Member
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posted March 07, 2015 08:27 AM

quote: Originally posted by Pail42: Why can't the strategy be, "reprint lands until they are $10"? I think that would be very good for the health of the game.
If fetches are reprinted once every 2 year (optimistic view considering 2015 will have battle for zendikar), or every year (likely as Wotc currently seems to be addicted to trying to better previous year record high sales), do you think rationale players will pay $10 for a fetch? More likely $5-6.
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Demilio Member
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posted March 07, 2015 09:00 AM
  
I don't really see the point of your post. I did enjoy this response though: [–]SCG General ManagerBenBleiweiss Force of will - Reprinted, Judge Foil Wasteland - Reprinted TWICE, Judge FOil and Player Rewards FOil Show and tell - Reprinted, Judge Foil Sneak attack - Reprinted, Judge FOil Karakas - Reprinted, Judge FOil Goblin Lackey - Reprinted, FTV: Exiled Ensnaring Bridge - Reprinted, 7th & 8th Edition Oath of druids - Reprinted, Judge Foil Price of progress - Reprinted, Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning Chain ligntning - Reprinted, PDS: Fire & Lightning Natural order - Reprinted TWICE, Portal 1 & Judge Foil NOT YET REPRINTED Mana drain Grind stone
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mm1983 Member
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posted March 07, 2015 09:12 AM
  
Leave it to WOTC to devalue the American Dollar. They are about to try and do it again with a 2nd reprint of Tarmogoyf for Modern Masters 2. That Tarmogoyf you just spent $175 on might now only be worth $100 when MM2 gets released. Almost all original prints of the cards mentioned on the first list of LandDestroyers are now worth 1/2 or 1/3 of the price they once were.
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 07, 2015 11:59 AM

quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: If fetches are reprinted once every 2 year (optimistic view considering 2015 will have battle for zendikar), or every year (likely as Wotc currently seems to be addicted to trying to better previous year record high sales), do you think rationale players will pay $10 for a fetch? More likely $5-6.
I would love it if they were only $5-6, but the only realistic way for that to happen would probably be printing a full cycle of fetches and shocks in standard every three years or so.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted March 07, 2015 12:23 PM

quote: Originally posted by thror: it isn't a CCG anymore, it's a TCG. get over it.
If WOTC openly admits it's a TCG I'll lay off with the reprint hate.
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thror Member
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posted March 07, 2015 01:12 PM

quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: If WOTC openly admits it's a TCG I'll lay off with the reprint hate.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/new-to-magic/what-is-magic "WHAT IS MAGIC: THE GATHERING? Magic is a tradable card game (TCG) where you build your collection..." __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<crypticfreak1> jazaray got ahold of me. he also had a hard time finding the email. <Jazaray> She...
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted March 07, 2015 01:30 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Demilio: I don't really see the point of your post. I did enjoy this response though: [–]SCG General ManagerBenBleiweiss Force of will - Reprinted, Judge Foil Wasteland - Reprinted TWICE, Judge FOil and Player Rewards FOil Show and tell - Reprinted, Judge Foil Sneak attack - Reprinted, Judge FOil Karakas - Reprinted, Judge FOil Goblin Lackey - Reprinted, FTV: Exiled Ensnaring Bridge - Reprinted, 7th & 8th Edition Oath of druids - Reprinted, Judge Foil Price of progress - Reprinted, Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning Chain ligntning - Reprinted, PDS: Fire & Lightning Natural order - Reprinted TWICE, Portal 1 & Judge Foil NOT YET REPRINTED Mana drain Grind stone
The point was what I'm seeing, to see people talk about how they feel. https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0045/08/1369438095022.gif
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chaos021 Member
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posted March 07, 2015 02:25 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Leave it to WOTC to devalue the American Dollar. They are about to try and do it again with a 2nd reprint of Tarmogoyf for Modern Masters 2. That Tarmogoyf you just spent $175 on might now only be worth $100 when MM2 gets released. Almost all original prints of the cards mentioned on the first list of LandDestroyers are now worth 1/2 or 1/3 of the price they once were.
Who cares? It was overpriced anyway. I say this as an owner of 4 from Future Sight. If people need the cards to play and this gets them there, I'm all for it. If you want to invest in stocks, go to the stock market. You people are insane. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondonMy Sale Thread
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted March 07, 2015 02:36 PM
  
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jaromirjagr Member
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posted March 07, 2015 03:18 PM

I kind of look at it as wotc doesnt make money of off old singles and so doesnt care about the resale market.All they care about is selling mass sealed product to their retailers.Before they only had core sets and expansions.Now they have modern masters,conspiracy,duel decks and ftvs.Theyve expanded their product line so that requires reprinting cards and making more money.Dont look as magic as a stock.Enjoy it.
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slurpee Member
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posted March 07, 2015 04:33 PM
  
I feel your frustration. This reason is one of the reasons i have stopped buying.
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Demilio Member
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posted March 08, 2015 06:58 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: The point was what I'm seeing, to see people talk about how they feel. https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0045/08/1369438095022.gif
I see, so you're just trolling.
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