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Avatar of Might
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posted May 02, 2001 11:22 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Might Click Here to Email Avatar of Might Send a private message to Avatar of Might Click to send Avatar of Might an Instant MessageVisit Avatar of Might's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Welcome to the world of trading. this guide will prepare you to your first experience of getting ripped.
No matter what precautions you take, it doesnt matter if you check references and trade only with people who have 300 and more references, eventually you WILL get ripped. Everybody does, its just a matter of time and the clock is ticking.

This article will prepare you so that you will understand what you are going through.

People getting ripped for the 1st time go through 5 basic stages:

Stage 1: DENIAL
The first reaction to learning of getting ripped is to deny the reality of the situation. It is a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock. We block out the words and hide from the facts. This is a temporary response that carries us through the first wave of pain.
Examples:
-Its been 2 months and you havent received his cards? "The postal service must be slow. Canada is so far away that it always takes 4 months for mail to arrive"
-He doesnt reply to your emails? "He must be sick... maybe he went out of the country"
-Your emails bounce? "Maybe Hotmail is down...its strange that such a server will be down for more than a month, but who knows? or maybe he just changed email address and forgot to notify me"
-You see many complaints about him in the bad traders forum? "Its just a coincidence...maybe someone with a similar name and address... or maybe he is just ripping them off poor people i'm glad he isnt ripping me"
-The deal was too much in your favor? "i got lucky...what a great deal, trading my foil absorb for his black lotus, i'm tha man!"

Stage 2: ANGER
As the masking effects of denial and isolation begin to wear, reality and its pain re-emerge. We are not ready. The intense emotion is deflected from our vulnerable core, redirected and expressed instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at inanimate objects, complete strangers, friends or family. You feel guilty for being angry, and this makes you more angry. Anger may be directed at your remaining cards. Rationally, you know they are not to be blamed. Emotionally, however, you may resent the cards for causing you pain or for leaving you. A normal effect would be to tear apart your remaining cards, thus leaving you with nothing and making you feel even more angry.

Stage 3: BARGAINING
The normal reaction to feelings of helplessness and vulnerability is often a need to regain control. If only we had checked more referenecs. If only we had checked the bad trader forums. If only we had noticed that the deal was too much in our favor. if only we had noticed that his 30 refs consist of freemail non-motl members. if only we had sent the cards certified. Secretly, we may make a deal with God or our higher power in an attempt to postpone the inevitable. This is a weaker line of defense to protect us from the painful reality.

Stage 4: DEPRESSION
Two types of depression are associated with the loss of cards. The first one is a reaction to practical implications relating to the loss. Sadness and regret predominate. We worry about the cost of replacing the cards. We worry that, in our grief, we have spent less time with others that depend on us. This phase may be eased by simple clarification and reassurance. We may need a bit of helpful cooperation and a few kind words. The second type of depression is more subtle and, in a sense, perhaps more private. It is our quiet preparation to separate and to bid our cards farewell. Sometimes all we really need is a hug.

Stage 5: ACCEPTANCE
Reaching this stage is a gift not afforded to everyone. The card loss may be sudden and unexpected or we may never see beyond our anger or denial. It is not necessarily a mark of bravery to resist the inevitable and to deny ourselves the opportunity to make our peace. This phase is marked by withdrawal and calm. This is not a period of happiness and must be distinguished from depression


 
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Welll.. so far i haven't been ripped off.. but i was worried about it .... but i'm pretty catious and try to trade only with who my friend Jay. (who has like 90 refs) has traded with.+

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posted May 02, 2001 12:37 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for *Tedman* Click Here to Email *Tedman* Send a private message to *Tedman* Click to send *Tedman* an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Either this a joke, or you're taking ripping WAY too seriously

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Avatar of Might
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posted May 02, 2001 12:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Might Click Here to Email Avatar of Might Send a private message to Avatar of Might Click to send Avatar of Might an Instant MessageVisit Avatar of Might's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by *Tedman*:
Either this a joke, or you're taking ripping WAY too seriously



*Tedman* you are probably still stuck in the Denial stage

 
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posted May 02, 2001 02:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for HanSolo6385 Send a private message to HanSolo6385 Click to send HanSolo6385 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I think I might puke, this was worse than a Psychologist.

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Gombies
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posted May 02, 2001 05:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Gombies Click Here to Email Gombies Send a private message to Gombies Click to send Gombies an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
ya, the stages are exactly what happened to me, but i didn't lose cards. I lost 50 dollars
 
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posted May 02, 2001 06:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for coolio Click Here to Email coolio Send a private message to coolio Click to send coolio an Instant MessageVisit coolio's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
not everyone who gets ripped goes thru these..
only the weak ppl

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Gombies
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posted May 02, 2001 07:00 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Gombies Click Here to Email Gombies Send a private message to Gombies Click to send Gombies an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
hey, u calling me weak?
 
British Kavu
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posted May 02, 2001 07:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for British Kavu Click Here to Email British Kavu Send a private message to British Kavu Click to send British Kavu an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
i personally find ripping... well... not as important in my overall trading experience. I have only been ripped once when i was just starting out, and i never felt these stages, I am glad for that 2 because MOTL has really helped my collection.
 
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posted May 02, 2001 11:29 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Might Click Here to Email Avatar of Might Send a private message to Avatar of Might Click to send Avatar of Might an Instant MessageVisit Avatar of Might's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gombies:
hey, u calling me weak?

*Sigh* you are going through the Anger stage...

 
Gombies
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posted May 03, 2001 12:45 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Gombies Click Here to Email Gombies Send a private message to Gombies Click to send Gombies an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
no, i went through that already, although i didn't punch anything


edit: i also didn't wreck or rip and of my cards/cash too

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Gombies on May 03, 2001]

 
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posted May 03, 2001 12:46 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Gombies Click Here to Email Gombies Send a private message to Gombies Click to send Gombies an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
and i got ripped some time ago too(2 months)
 
kevy
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posted May 03, 2001 08:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for kevy Click Here to Email kevy Send a private message to kevy Click to send kevy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
AvatarofMIght = AvatarofMind??

:P

 
reinhart
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posted May 05, 2001 06:15 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for reinhart Send a private message to reinhart Click to send reinhart an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
some guy ripped me but he got banned so i felt that was worth it. What is your opinon on this Mr. CHUN TING CHE of ontario, canada?
 
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posted May 05, 2001 03:02 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Valmtg Click Here to Email Valmtg Send a private message to Valmtg Click to send Valmtg an Instant MessageVisit Valmtg's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I was ripped a couple of times before I joined MOTL, before I knew what to do. I jumped straight from 2 to 4 then 5. Boy oh boy when I tell you "hell hath no wrath than the fury of a woman's scorn" but I transfered that anger onto other people, so they stayed away from me for a while until I cooled my jets. I never got my cards, it was a P.O. box I delivered to, and the e-mail doesn't work anymore... also this person wasn't a MOTL member and neither were the others. There was a guy that tried to rip me "because of a great deal I thought I was getting", an elephant dumpload of my cards for a Mox Ruby, would have been my first P9, then I finally got him to send back my cards, with postage due, poor repacking and care of cards, and 3 great cards missing.

Oh well. I healed. On the bright side there's Karma.. now if I only played white.. (pun intended)

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Avatar of Stuff
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posted May 05, 2001 08:24 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Stuff Click Here to Email Avatar of Stuff Send a private message to Avatar of Stuff Click to send Avatar of Stuff an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Oh brother, its not like the end of the world if you loose 1 piece of cardboard. I say your little chart is the same one used when someone dies, but slightly modified
 
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posted May 05, 2001 08:43 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Might Click Here to Email Avatar of Might Send a private message to Avatar of Might Click to send Avatar of Might an Instant MessageVisit Avatar of Might's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Avatar of Stuff:
Oh brother, its not like the end of the world if you loose 1 piece of cardboard. I say your little chart is the same one used when someone dies, but slightly modified

You are in Denial

 
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posted May 05, 2001 09:05 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Opposition Click Here to Email Opposition Send a private message to Opposition Click to send Opposition an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I think avatar is going throw the "post stupid topic that no one cares about" stage

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posted May 05, 2001 09:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for elf-hunter Click Here to Email elf-hunter Send a private message to elf-hunter Click to send elf-hunter an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
well, i haven't been ripped yet
but thanks for your concern, i think
 
DarkDamion
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posted May 06, 2001 09:14 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for DarkDamion Click Here to Email DarkDamion Send a private message to DarkDamion Click to send DarkDamion an Instant MessageVisit DarkDamion's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Ive only been ripped off a Argothian Wurm, and 2 years later, I think im still stuck in the Denial stage, I mean its not all that.

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yip_boy
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posted May 09, 2001 08:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for yip_boy Click Here to Email yip_boy Send a private message to yip_boy Click to send yip_boy an Instant MessageVisit yip_boy's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I just got ripped off.. I think...

no.... it cant be... hes... just on vacation.... it must be hot nowadays in south america...

of course.. he could be really ripping me off... boy... ARGH!!! I HATE YOU ALL!!! MOTL IS HORRIBLE!!! AUGH!!...

Well... technically.... MOTL isn't that bad... I should have looked at those refs... Maybe that little red word under his name...

Well... THERE goes everything Ive got... Im such a lonely... lonely man...

At least I still have my magic cards.... those are the only ones who care about me now... .."sniff"


-yip_boy




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volrath_the_elf
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i got ripped for a utopia tree! does anyone know ray manues? if so, let me know!
 
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posted May 10, 2001 02:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar of Stuff Click Here to Email Avatar of Stuff Send a private message to Avatar of Stuff Click to send Avatar of Stuff an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I haven't been ripped lately. WHAT do you mean the denial stage. The only thing I'm denying is that this is a post worth posting
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Valmtg:
"hell hath no wrath than the fury of a woman's scorn"

I don't think that's quite right...

 
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posted May 10, 2001 11:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Magic lord Send a private message to Magic lord Click to send Magic lord an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Sounds like someone took psychology in college its my major and by the way this is really the a lesson in Psychological anger management or the stages of grief........OH BOY...

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