Off to work, be back later

~MM

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You are now without your Admin, and you need a sweep to win. VOTES DUE WEDNESDAY NIGHT 9PM MOTL TIME.

{SUMMARY: MeddlingMage hacked, no more admin, last chance, votes due Wednesday night}

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Originally posted by Gawain:
Wow...dead in here. Really, really dead.

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I was waiting for the hack. I think we're in deep trouble here. The last pile looks like a good place to try and find a troll. I'll be starting there. The way MAB got jumped in on so quickly, there has to be at least one in there.

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Originally posted by dakrum:
I think I speak for everyone who is out of the game when I say this:

WHERE IS THE POSTING?

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For my part, I was waiting for the vote count so I could get some idea of where to go next, 'cause I'm not gonna lie, I'm fairly stumped. So this is what we got to work with:

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Zakman86 fwybwed
MAB_Rapper Tranderas
Tranderas fwybwed
Gawain MAB_Rapper
OGB MAB_Rapper
Bernek77 MAB_Rapper
fwybewd MAB_Rapper
MeddlingMage Bernek77
hilikuS MAB_Rapper

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So in the MAB pile, we have:

Gawain
OGB
Bernek
Fwyb
Hili

In the non-MAB pile we have:

MM, Zak, MAB, and Tran. So effectively, Zak and Tran.

I'm fairly certain that we have two trolls in the MAB pile, and one of either Zak or Tran are a troll. I think my best bet here is another character by character analysis, but I'm gonna keep it a bit more brief since my last one covered a lot of bases already; my goal is to keep the info/analysis as relevant to the current situation as possible:

Gawain: You're on your own with this guy fells. Watch out, he's a shifty bastard :P (Fully aware that I'm in the "two troll" wagon. I'll leave that up to you guys to analyze).

OGB: OGB voted MAB for two rounds in a row. Up until now, he's been a consistent if somewhat infrequent poster, asking some pointed questions and providing a bit of insight, but he's gone quiet now. I realize that everyone has at this point for the most part, but OGB's seems a bit more pointed to me. I'm hoping to bring everyone out into the conversation again, because without it, we're done anyway. I'll be paying extra close attention to anyone who seems particularly reticent to speak, because at this point in the game it just makes no sense. My suspicion level regarding OGB hasn't changed ATM, but I would like to hear more from him.

Bernek: Two rounds he's been back in the game, and we have two good, solid bandwagon votes from him. The first one broke a wagon wide open, and the second one is just a big fat wagon where anyone could hide. I didn't like the vote that contributed to WCFmo's lynch, and I like this one even less :/ Suspicion is a bit higher than before.

Fwybwed: I've had trouble with Fwyb's play for the last several rounds, but at least before he was talking. He seems to have completely faded into the shadows in the last several days, even before the conversation died down completely. Either he was tunneling so hard that once his target was dead he lost all sense of purpose, RL is keeping him busy, he's stumped and has nothing to go on, or he is trying to dodge/shed some of the heat he had comin' down on his head there right before he went quiet. I'm not convinced that the last of the four isn't the case, or to put it in a more committed way, I'm fairly convinced that the last IS the case. Very high suspicion.

Hilikus: Of all the remaining players I suspect Hili the least. As I said before, every one of his posts strikes me as genuine scum-hunting. Knowing my luck, he's probably the friggin' troll leader :P Gotta go with my suspicions though or there's really no point, and Hili ain't one of'em. Very low suspicion.

Zakman: Dead quiet so far, self-deprecating and retiring in "defense" of himself when this is noted, completely unaggressive and essentially uninvolved this game. Only really posts when there is some steam building behind an argument against him. I thought for awhile he might be the Admin, especially when ryan went out and it was stated that "ThaPStulio targeted the admin." Zak was high up on ryan's list so I figured, as likely him as anyone. I figured having the last power role for the MOTLers might be contributing to Zak's lack of motivation to fully engage, but since we now know MM was the admin, I have to wonder if he might have another roll. Ya know, a Trollish one. Very high suspicion.

Tranderas: Alright, all game he's cruised along with barely a word, responding when he needs to, very non-committal. I don't know a damned thing about his playstyle, but I don't have to to know that I don't like the silence at this point. Medium-High suspicion.

This is a relatively unrefined, stream of consciousness post. I figured I would just throw it out there before I go to work to try to spark some conversation, and see where everyone else stands. We absolutely have to come to a consensus this round and lynch a Troll, or it's game over.

I have to work at 1:00, and I'll be off at 7:00. I'll check this thread every 20 minutes or so until I have to go, and once I get home tonight, I'll stay online for as long as I can to try to get this thing hammered out. I'll list my highest suspects in the tag at the bottom of the post, in order from most to least.

Two of the trolls have to be in the pile vote on MAB, unless both me and Tran are trolls. If you believe that I'm a troll because I haven't been posting, that's fine, but the game will be over.

I stated that ususally the person who is wrong will most likely live to the end of the game and thats me me....

as for my suspicions

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Originally posted by Gawain:
Hilikus: Of all the remaining players I suspect Hili the least. As I said before, every one of his posts strikes me as genuine scum-hunting. Knowing my luck, he's probably the friggin' troll leader :P Gotta go with my suspicions though or there's really no point, and Hili ain't one of'em. Very low suspicion.

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I can agree with you here...to me its like he is suspicious to the point where its not really effective...

He come outs pops a name or 2 out then leaves it up to others...he seems to always leave an out.

I last voted Mab....Hili's current vote was for Gawain...or Zack....

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Originally posted by Hilikus:
As far as voting for tonight, I think I gotta go with either Gawain, or Zakman for my vote. I have been suspicious of Gawain because he seems out of character this game (to me at least), and I'm getting the same vibe from Zakman.

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then based off one post in regards to ryan been the admin or not....Hili jumps on it....

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Originally posted by Hilikus:
This post alarms me a bit, and my gut instinct has raised a red flag here. I love my gut instinct, so this might end up being my vote at the end of the day. I know MAB usually has more to say than this. The post just looks a little forced to me, and I'll probably be voting either MAB or Tranderas.

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Now its Mab or trand....as he is saying its his gut instinct....and that he loves his gut instinct...lol what happend to Gawain and Zack...??????????

well looks to me as his gut instinct is calling out 4 names: Gawain, Zak, Mab and Trand.. to me this is suspicious and alot of outs.

Fairly unique circumstances, and I think this could help us greatly here.

The first thing that came to my mind, since it seems such an elegant solution is that the two votes for fwy are trolls, and lo and behold they happen to be two suspects of mine from the last round. However, the trolls have some say in how the vote piles will look. Would they have made it look like that where 2 guys went on fwy, one went in the MAB pile? To me that seems too obvious. I think since we do know that at least one is in the MAB pile, we've gotta go there, but it was something to point out.

That leaves me with 4 options. Gawain, OGB, Bernek77, and fwybwed.

Gawain - I haven't got a read on him, but he also hasn't done anything to stand out in my mind. I know I suspected him earlier, but I just haven't got a great read on him. A little bit of buddying on his last post is about it.

OGB - Doesn't post much at all, which I'm not sure is normal for him or not. I don't remember hearing anything at all. At least, nothing that stuck out to me. This alarms me a bit in itself.

Bernek77 - Now we all know Bernek, and he's played so many games. He seems to be highly toned down, and much quieter than your usual Bernek. IMO he is playing a tad out of character for him.

fwybwed - Already has voted for me which is a bad start to the round. He makes a solid point as far as me throwing a few too many suspects. I can only say in response that after I read a few posts, some ideas came to me, and I thought they were much more useful than the suspects I had previous. Honestly I haven't had a lot to go on in this game. When I found something I thought was good, I ran with it. Unfortunately the trolls ran with me.

As far as fwy's play, I think he's about right. I can see where his suspicions come from for me. I may end up being forced to vote him though, as is often the case in the last round for some reason...

Something about Fwy's post doesn't sit well with me though. He starts out by saying that he agrees hilikus warrants low suspicion, and then weaves a path where he talks himself into voting for hili? This seems desperate to me, especially after Zak declared a vote for him already.

Gawain brings up some good points about Fwy too. I can't get a read on Fwy myself, although he has seemed all over the place in past games.

And where is Bernek?? Hoping to coast by undetected maybe?

These are my top 2 suspects ATM. The problem is that we need a consensus and we already have 2 split votes. I'm going to submit a vote for Fwy although I will be paying attention to this thread tonight in case anyone makes some more compelling arguments.

{SUSPECTS: Fwy, Bernek}
{VOTING: FWY}

Zack - fwy
Hilikus - fwy
OGB - fwy

note that the trolls need 4 votes to end this....

my thoughts before you cast

I believe Zack is an MOTLer...the difference between his post and OGB and Hil's are they are concerned about whether they are right or wrong or the out come....they just declare...note I am making out the difference in the emotion of voting...

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Originally posted by Zak:
So... no power roles left, 3 trolls to catch, and no wrong lynches allowed. Sounds like a fun time
Two of the trolls have to be in the pile vote on MAB, unless both me and Tran are trolls. If you believe that I'm a troll because I haven't been posting, that's fine, but the game will be over.

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note also the response for OGB's vote for me...he totally misleading you all in regards to my agreeing with Gawain...as I never stated what I ageed with...he assumes...I was hoping to see who would apply this to an argument..

My actual thought were this: Gawain speaking of Hilikus....

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Originally posted by Gawain:
Knowing my luck, he's probably the friggin' troll leader :P

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take this and read my post over again....

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
I can agree with you here...to me its like he is suspicious to the point where its not really effective...

He come outs pops a name or 2 out then leaves it up to others...he seems to always leave an out.

I last voted Mab....Hili's current vote was for Gawain...or Zack....

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also note: suspicion 2 on Hil':

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Originally posted by Hilikus:
The last pile looks like a good place to try and find a troll. I'll be starting there. The way MAB got jumped in on so quickly, there has to be at least one in there.

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In regards to the voters on Mab....I was the first to delclare a vote for Mab....the second person to do so was Dah dahn dahnnnnn.....Hilikus......whose first original vote was for Gawain...once he had seen I voted for Mab he joined the wagon tho he already declared for gawain.....

And this last declaration will be the SECOND time you have changed your vote to a person who another is voting for...you have this pattern...of declaring your vote then changing to vote for another blatantly hoping on a wagon...tho you are not tagging it up as a vote, you will....

I offered to get back into the game before real life issues happened. Almost lost the house I am living in.

I have been sitting here waiting to see who would post and why. I feel the Trolls are feeling victory and will use whatever it takes to try and push a final vote. You will see them all vote together as its gonna take a 4-3 vote for us to possibly win.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:

What I'd like to know from the rest is who is your top suspect out of the 5 MAB voters, and how many fwy voters, if any, are trolls?

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My top suspect in the MAB pile is Fwyb. It was tough for me to switch from Fwyb to MAB last round, but by that point I was so compelled by how oddly he was behaving that I felt it was the right way to go. If I hadn't voted MAB, I'd have voted Fwyb. Close runner up is Bernek. As to how many of the Fwyb voters from last round are Trolls? Honestly, I think just one, but the Trolls have made some relatively (or at least seemingly) erratic moves this game. Your (Hili) out of hand dismissal of the possibility of two trolls being in that pile may have been exactly what they were banking on. Nonetheless, I'm leaning towards there being two in the MAB pile and one in the Fwyb.

I would like to point out to Fwyb that Hilikus's reason for dropping me down on his suspect list last round was because of the explanation I gave for why I didn't post for 3 days (that being that my internet was out). I can provide the quote for you if you want, but I'd rather not have to dig for it. This again leads me to wonder of Fwyb deliberately ignored this little detail or just genuinely forgot/didn't know. Frankly, with everything else he's done this game to garner suspicion (albeit a bunch of little things as opposed to big ones), I'm not terribly inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And one other thing.....Hey Tran! Where you is man?

{SUMMARY: Reminds MOTLers about consensus, answers Hili's question, calls out Fwyb/Tran}
{SUSPECT: Fwyb, Zak, Bernek}

P.S. I am still undecided as to my vote, and would like to hold of on declaring until I have a better idea of whether we can reach a consensus or not. As of now, I'm tentatively considering Fwyb, but I'm not fully sold on that yet. I'll be popping in frequently over the course of the night, so let's try to get some convo rolling and see what we can make happen.

I haven't seen any reason to change the way I've voted for the past two or three rounds. I still think fwy was behind the ryan - dak setup:

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Don't assume kangaroos run under moonlight. Halos attach suddenly, but electrify eloquently. Never has a cardboard kangaroo espoused directives. Danger ever after through helixes taught oncology! Trouble hoards enough information nodes for intensive decimation, excluding lavatory stations. Death to the Infidels!

Leshrac, on the other hand, has an email in his inbox. Three words: "I'll be there."

Check your PMs IMMEDIATELY. Votes due Friday 9PM MOTL time

{SUMMARY: dakrum hacked, ThaPStulio returns!, votes due Friday 9PM MOTL time}

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Originally posted by fwybwed, the next post after the hack:
Ill be voting ryan....

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Really fwy? That hack reaks epicly of a setup. Are you calling the double bluff here?

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
+1 with what hili said. Fwy, I am not DUMB enough to kill dakrum after having a feud with him. Plain and simple. It seems like instantly after the kill, you wanted to jump on this. It's really suspicious.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
So they could be 2 MOTLers bashing heads and ryan comes out on top. hmmmm

What about me Hil...I was on Dak for his crappy play of self voting

I had these 3: Gawain, Dakrum, and WCF on my supect list 2 of them are MOTLer's....

as I stated before one reason as a cit that you may still be alive is that all or some of your suspects would be wrong....

its funny to me how you are coming out right about now....

is my vote for ryan a double bluff???? how do you see it that way from just that one line???

and what is the double bluff...?

I never stated you were dumb at all ryan, in fact you are a smart player...you came under a huge suspicion cloud last round from Dak...what you did here is try to play the "why would I do that" game.....NICE!!!!

Voting Ryan...

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This whole situation reeks of a setup on fwy's part, trying to kill dak and frame Ryan for it. Add to this his excessively defensive behavior and faulty logic, and I think ending his game will be the start of the MOTLers' path to victory.

fact...

as for Trands post...well thats more than anything he put forth this whole game....

Good game.... guys...

Fwy - Hilikus
Bernek - Hilikus

Hilikus - undecided/probably Fwy
Gawain - undecided

I doubt hilikus is going to vote for himself. So How I feel as of right now there are 2 trolls in the Fwy pile. Trying to push the vote. If we have time I say we look at the pile right now!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Gawain:
This again leads me to wonder of Fwyb deliberately ignored this little detail or just genuinely forgot/didn't know. Frankly, with everything else he's done this game to garner suspicion (albeit a bunch of little things as opposed to big ones), I'm not terribly inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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I don't think that's the case as far as fwyb ignoring that I acknowledged your defense and changed gears.

The 3 votes for fwy are almost certainly locked in at this point, since those 3 have posted like once in this round. As usual, the game comes down to me having to vote for the other guy which is most likely us losing.

Gawain if you think that both fwybwed votes are from trolls, then we might as well go for one of them. The theory assumes that both of them are trolls, so it's a matter of who will be least likely to screw with us next round. I'd leave Trand alive since he hasn't said much since I started playing the game. Less likely than Zakman to make waves in trying to get a second troll.

{VOTING: Zakman86}
{HOPING: Somebody else does...}

BTW completely out of game here, but there's a freakin' Diablo 2 items vendor ad at the top of my screen. How crazy is that??!

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
with 3 voted on fwybwed if there isnt a tie on hilikus I think were gonna lose. I dont believe fwy to be a troll and I think the trolls are controlling the vote.

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thats exactly why Hil' is voting away from the fwy pile cuz if he did vote for me then all my proof would be correct....the trolls have a follower in my pile atm....that person who ever it may be must change his vote to some one other then me for a controlled vote....

tho Hil' is voting away from the pile the 3 votes on me will still be the majority...hmmmm right Hilikus...

ALSO...why vote on Zac...its a waste of a vote...in order for us to make any effort in weeding out the trolls we must vote on 2 people and 2 alone... the trolls just need to place all 3 in one MOTLer and the rest of us on some one else...If we spread our votes by 2 or more we are done....

So say we switch around some votes...it will be between Zac and I and as i stated earlier I feel Zac is a MOTLer...

So if some switch to Zac we will still lose if Zac bites it or I do...

I say Vote Hil'

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Originally posted by fwybwed:

ALSO...why vote on Zac...its a waste of a vote...in order for us to make any effort in weeding out the trolls we must vote on 2 people and 2 alone... the trolls just need to place all 3 in one MOTLer and the rest of us on some one else...If we spread our votes by 2 or more we are done....

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My options are myself, which is an awful idea. You, which I don't think you are a troll, or either Trand or Zakman. Just because others have declared a vote that I don't like doesn't mean I have to. To me it works like this... Any wagon at this point has to be influenced by the trolls. I know I'm not a troll, and judging from the pile on you, I don't think you are either. It's nearly impossible to get all 4 members to pile on a troll, since the 3 trolls can sway the vote so easily. I gotta try though. I figured I might at least have Gawain in the right boat here if I vote for Zakman. If both Zak and Trand are trolls, I want Trand around for the next round. He doesn't say much of anything, and isn't likely to swing the citizens votes in the wrong direction. Zakman has shown to be a much more talkative player. Using the trolls' silence against them seems like a decent plan.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:

So say we switch around some votes...it will be between Zac and I and as i stated earlier I feel Zac is a MOTLer...

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Let the vote happen and see if we're still playing, man.

anyone who has put a vote towards me is possibly a Troll...

Hil' nudged me, saying he may be forced to vote for me..."weak"

OGB the next to declare for me....he states he believes there 2 Trolls in the Mab pile, he does a reasoning behind each player in the Mab pile EXCEPT Hil'

Zac votes for me based on earlier suspicion...saying "If you believe that I'm a troll because I haven't been posting, that's fine, but the game will be over."

Trand' declares vote for me based on my postings to reek of a set up based on Hil's theory. He also brings up my past of wrong analysis on Dak and ryan...to reinforce his vote...

there are trolls in this line up of Hil' OGB, Zac and Trand....

As for gawain and his note about Hil' dropping him from his suspect list...its a non point...as the point I was making was that he had placed votes for you but changed after another had player placed a vote else where it was a pattern...why are you inclined to stick up for him is my pondering....

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Originally posted by Hil':
Did you arbitrarily decide that, or do you have some proof?

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I feel that the emotion in his post above in regards to game ending if we voted for him seemed genuine