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Originally posted by hilikuS:
You're tunneling your butt off fwy.

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OR.....maybe Im hitting a nerve....

Im on the block here hil'....if I get the votes it's game over for MOTL.

Just kidding Josh, but you have to know we're waiting to see if we nabbed a troll...

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Originally posted by OGB:
So Josh can post his thoughts about Dark Depths vs. Sinkhole, but can't post the all important vote from last night? Come on, man. Seriously!!!!!!!!

Just kidding Josh, but you have to know we're waiting to see if we nabbed a troll...

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Originally posted by Josh:
Maybe I'm working on it. Maybe I'm making a certain three of the remaining players sweat. Maybe

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He has long believed in the MOTL community and that it could overcome anything, even trademark lawsuits. He even let the populace decide who to ban rather than doing it himself. Unfortunately, with Hannes, Annorax, and Lesurgo knowing who each other is, they could coordinate their votes to all but ensure a victory for MTG Salvation.

At the moment of truth, Leshrac saw the error in his logic. 4 votes were cast for fwybwed, undoubtedly all three Trolls were in that pile. 2 were for hilikuS and one was for Zakman86. Poor Zakman86... he bought into the Trolls' lies.

As he realized that everything he had worked so hard for was disappearing, Leshrac cried out "Salvation NOOOOOoooooooooo!"

It's ironic that MTGS is the woman and she ought to be holding a broom.

Hil's vote for Zac right?

damn....

Good game....hahaa, sorry for the weird play I just wanted to try something different...I wanted to see reactions....

I had B77, WCF, Dak, Ryan, Mab....

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The wedding and the internet connection going out actually happened. I know that no one accused me of lying, but I just wanted to bring that up to forestall any potential "hey wait a minute" type comments. My internet actually went out again last night, and was out all day today too, so I couldn't even come in with any final comments. Really had me sweating there near the end TBH.

Sorry OGB if you wanted to make that reveal, but I kind of think everybody had it mostly figured out by the end there.

GG all, 'twas quite fun I was scared ****less early on when it seemed like everyone was on to me, but I feel like I hit my stride about midway through R1 and was able to keep my cool after that. First time bein' a baddie, it's fun

Also, @ OGB and Tran, it was fun working with you guys on this one

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Originally posted by dakrum:
<= is honorary 4th.

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Sorry for the double post, just wanted to point out that this is not the time nor the place for self-deprecation. I can't speak to Tran or OGB, but you had me sweating bullets more than anyone else early on. Your arguments were concise and your scumhunting was solid in my book.

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Gawain, was both OGB and Trand being silent part of your plan or did it just work out that way? (Assuming you were the Troll leader, of course.)

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Me being silent is, honestly, how i play UBB games. Although how I play UBB games is entirely out of character in relation to how I usually am, how I played this game was not out of character in relation to how I normally play similar games.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
I gave a bit of analysis behind each kill in my PMs to Josh, and if he saved that analysis I welcome him to post it.

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I fail.

Other than that, how did you all like the flavor? I feel like it was good, but I could have done a lot more with it. The banhammer pictures were a pretty cool idea, I think.

~MM

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
We had 2 trolls in the beginning (well, almost) - Tranderas was almost voted off and both me and dak wanted to go after Gawain...but I digress.

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@ Josh : From your perspective, who would you nominate for MVP for each side?

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Originally posted by Liq:
I kinda wish the ZC was more than like 5 emails long.

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I had to stop following the game... it wasn't active enough and I had work.

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Originally posted by thror:

B) Trand was the troll leader.

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Called it. Just saying.

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First kill:
We choose to troll junichi. GTFO our internets k

Junichi was unanimously on everyone's “first kill” list. He's a solid and consistent player that chats quite a bit. It's funny because after the third kill, he was in chat going “I bet Tranderas is the troll leader and trolling all of us.” Yeah, Junichi. I was.

I abstained from voting round 1 because I knew I could get away with it. After the first vote, thror made an offhand comment about the game in chat while Zak was there. Zak and I really don't get along, so he didn't tell me about what was going on. That, and it could have been seen as out-of-game talking, illegal in other forms of the game.

Second kill:
We the trolls, deciding to get another excellent player out of the way, have decided to hack coolio.
He hasn't had any significant input yet, and we want to keep it that way.

Do I even need to add anything? I had a strategy mapped out to get the best players out of the game. I had thought about coolio r1 but the other two wanted to go for junichi more, which I was fine with.
My voting strategy, consistent with cits' usual voting strategy, was to get rid of silent players. I find this whole strategy on cits' part odd, honestly. I think overly loud players (ryan) hurt cits more than overly quiet ones (MM)...anyway, in this round I voted for Jaz.

Third kill:
We've decided that Liq needs to go.
Our primary reasoning is that Liq is now the strongest player in this game. Further, the players all have scenarios for "if this person gets killed then it's that person that did it." They don't have a situation set up for if Liq gets hacked. We leave them clueless, we win.
My apologies to my old friend.

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Originally posted by Tranderas, in the troll e-mails:
TRANDERAS DOES NOT LIKE LIQ IN THIS GAME.

OGB, GAWAIN, WHAT DO WE DO?

Caps for emphasis about how much this shakes things up.

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We left you guys dead, knowing you wouldn't put together the pieces of “the best players are being picked off.” The only experienced player in the troll list was Gawain. The “Tranderas is an experienced player and therefore has knowledge of these people.” was dismissed by Liq himself posting how many games I played in (2-3). We were more afraid of PD taking one of the inactive spots- he's so strong I thought it would be an outright game loss right there. Fortunately, Josh chose not to include him. Anyway, the player Liq was replacing had been mostly silent, so we managed to get rid of him before he could have any positive input, and his hacking didn't leave the cits anything to go on.

It was at this point I started voting for fwybwed. His play was erratic and made me uncomfortable, not because I think he was a threat to the trolls, but because that style of play hurts cits more than trolls. I would carry the fwy vote until the end of the game.

Fourth kill:
Against my personal judgment and preference, we are hacking dakrum. We must give credence to his claims that he "knows who the trolls are", leaving them continually clueless while eliminating the last of the extremely-active players.
ROFL H@XX0RS LOLLOLOLLLOLOL

As noted, I was against this hack. I thought it was dangerous to promote the double-bluff concept:

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Originally posted by Tranderas, in troll e-mails:
If our kill is neither Ryan nor dakrum, it should be MM. Another kill that gives the cits no read whatsoever.

Otherwise, i'll wait until Chris has his say to discuss my thoughts further.

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Originally posted by OGB, in response to the above:
I think dak is the NK.  Ryan is all geared up to hear his argument as to why he thinks ryan is a troll, so it would probably serve us better to not let him defend against it.

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So we went with it because OGB and Gawain wanted to, even though I didn't. Because of fwy, it worked in our favor. I nominate fwybwed for troll MVP

Speaking of fwy, I continued voting for him, blah blah blah continue.

Fifth kill...I actually don't have a quote for. I sent it through AIM to Josh and forgot to turn on aim logging. If HE has AIM logging active, he can provide more information. This happened after Ryan became the vigilante and got burned for it. I went through Ryan's previous posts and noticed two people he was suspicious of: Zak and MM. Zak's timing would be wrong- he's always in chat, and likes responding when he has something to say, so I couldn't see him as being the Admin. MM, on the other hand...I figured that even if MM wasn't the admin, he was the best kill anyway. Killing off silents is a Mafia/Wolf/Troll ploy to leave the players with nothing to talk about.

After this kill Gawain kept calling me out on IwoA posts (and then had to explain in the e-mails what this meant). For my last post, I provided the crux of my case against fwy. It barely mattered anyway; fwy and bernek, your math was wrong. We didn't need 4 votes- we needed 3. Basically, to beat us, you needed to stack every single one of you on one of us. We didn't need 4 votes to beat you, you needed 4 votes to beat us. Fwy's last-second ploy to stack people on Zak was a loss, anyway, because even if all 3 stuck on zak and Zak went for someone other than fwy, it would have been split between a cit and a cit, and we won anyway. You needed 3 votes on us just to split. It wasn't happening.

I was pretty confident that either Gawain or Zakman86 was a troll but I couldn't figure out which one it was since IMHO both players were playing like they were trolls. Gawain's answers during round 2 were very suspicious, but Zakman86 didn't help himself AT ALL especially considering how smart he is and how little analysis he offered at the time.

I was pretty confident that somebody voting for Tranderas or Tranderas was a troll. The only possibility for Tranderas being a troll was if Gawain was a troll and if Zakman86 was a troll then that would have probably cleared the other two players. Again, I couldn't figure out which one was a troll (and I didn't think Tranderas was a troll during round two and I fell asleep too early).

I actually was paying attention to the NKs. My theory was that taking out Liq doesn't make mathematical sense if there were 2 experienced trolls because they shouldn't have been fazed by his entrance. I did note that you were hacking the better players but I didn't mention it because caring about the strength of the players being killed was all WIFOM - it actually made my job a little easier anyway.

I was not suspicious of ryan2754 during my last day. It was a terribly conceived ploy to get him to come out and possibly save himself, but I can't change the past.

Near the end of round three, I thought that Zakman86 and Bernek77 were either both trolls or neither one was a troll. Once Bernek77 put his vote for WCFmo in, I strongly thought that Bernek77 made a sacrifice play and that Zakman86 was obviously a troll with him - thus the suspect list I had generated during my last day. If I would have gone down the Gawain path, I was thinking that the trolls would have been either OGB/MAB/MM and either Trand/hili.

Zakman86/Tranderas - if you feel that 2 of the players in the MAB pile are trolls, you should be almost auto-voting for the other player. Your initial votes should have given it away that the split was indeed 2-1 and so the obvious play should have been to vote for the other player.