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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
If you want to make this website better, quit catering to these neckbeards with nothing better to do than try to mod a website that has enough mods.

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lol, sounds like you have nothing better to do than to call people names on their own threads.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
Every time I go on motl I am amazed at how immature and plain rude people act on this website. If I want to buy a card, and someone else knows a place that buys the card for a dollar more, what gives that person the right to shame ME for wanting to buy the cards at my prices? I don't go around telling people their lists are crappy, or they should lower their prices on their cards- its RUDE! ITS NONE OF MY BUSINESS if someone I've never met pays someone else a dollar more than they should have. Who gives a crap. You aren't helping the community by posting your rude little comments ("You should do this, you should do that...)- you are alienating and annoying new members who won't return. This is why the website design hasn't changed for 10 years. If you want to make this website better, quit catering to these neckbeards with nothing better to do than try to mod a website that has enough mods. If a mod says to change my list, its one thing- but when some random tells me my prices are too low (by a single dollar, btw) and I should raise my prices to reflect starcitygames prices, I'm offended. This crap has to change... why can't I delete a post on my own list? I spend all this time making a list, and the first comment is some guy with 700 refs saying ("Don't you know that they buy the cards you want somewhere else for .02 cents more? You better raise your prices to be higher than all the stores with millions of dollars because its the only way business will ever work.") I want to type curse words at all of those people but I am trying to keep my composure. Please change the format of this website.. I hate it.. The idea isn't so bad, but the execution of said idea is terrible.

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Posting a picture with $20 bills around and a wurm token but you aren't willing to pay a couple extra bucks to match even SCG much less ebay? Wow. Just wow.

How do you accuse people on MOTL of being immature when you comment on a thread "WoW thanks for your help douche."

...they are only trying to help man....why would I sell you something I can get more money for elsewheres? Isn't that attempting to take advantage of people??

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:

This forum is full of people who've been here for 10+ years and have been buying/selling magic cards online for 15ish years. It's likely we have a better idea of what we're talking about and what we can buy/sell cards for.

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This sums it all up. Reread if you have to.

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It's not shaming to say, hey there's a bunch of other people giving more money for the same crap. That's honesty man. You want members to refrain from posting because you want to try and catch somebody napping.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
From the other perspective your prices are deemed insulting. They're lower than the base low price that is SCG's buylist. That's the most well-known entity that buys Magic stuff in large quantity. Your prices are lower than they are. Why should I send anything your way?

It's not shaming to say, hey there's a bunch of other people giving more money for the same crap. That's honesty man. You want members to refrain from posting because you want to try and catch somebody napping.

But don't listen to anybody, just do your thing. I mean, if you think it's going to work, then you'll buy some cards. If it doesn't work, maybe you should try better prices. Somebody is up in your business, just go with the flow.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Ya, that's fine until he posts on other people's threads profanities and other inappropriate stuff.

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You want to know what's wrong with the MOTL community? People like YOU who can't take a nicely worded piece of advice.

Thanks,
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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
Every time I go on motl I am amazed at how immature and plain rude people act on this website.

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yeah, me too.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
If I want to buy a card, and someone else knows a place that buys the card for a dollar more, what gives that person the right to shame ME for wanting to buy the cards at my prices? I don't go around telling people their lists are crappy, or they should lower their prices on their cards- its RUDE! ITS NONE OF MY BUSINESS if someone I've never met pays someone else a dollar more than they should have. Who gives a crap. You aren't helping the community by posting your rude little comments ("You should do this, you should do that...)- you are alienating and annoying new members who won't return.

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I disagree and appreciate the information provided by this entire episode.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
This is why the website design hasn't changed for 10 years.

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you are clueless.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
If you want to make this website better, quit catering to these neckbeards with nothing better to do than try to mod a website that has enough mods.

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Us neckbeards are the only ones regularly using the site. This site is policed by the entire membership. Get used to it and get on board and do your part to help out.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
If a mod says to change my list, its one thing- but when some random tells me my prices are too low (by a single dollar, btw) and I should raise my prices to reflect starcitygames prices, I'm offended. This crap has to change... why can't I delete a post on my own list? I spend all this time making a list, and the first comment is some guy with 700 refs saying ("Don't you know that they buy the cards you want somewhere else for .02 cents more? You better raise your prices to be higher than all the stores with millions of dollars because its the only way business will ever work.") I want to type curse words at all of those people but I am trying to keep my composure. Please change the format of this website.. I hate it.. The idea isn't so bad, but the execution of said idea is terrible.

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You can TRY to buy cards for as cheap as you like and you can TRY to sell cards for as much as you like. Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
I'm actually surprised he beat me to ya.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
Jeez, he didn't nicely word his reply, he told me I am expected to compete with starcitygames prices in a rude way. And then I was rude back to him, for that I apologize. However, I still feel there is an underlying problem on this website.
I copied my buy prices from other lists, except the bribery- which is tremendously overpriced in my opinion. The way I do things, is I use the prices that my local game stores give players, and try to increase my buy prices slightly. Im not a retailer. Im not a "collector" per se, I just need some cards for a deck I'm playing at an invitational. You guys are all so quick to jump on people that you forget that everyone isn't rich, everyone doesn't have the ability to buy cards for top dollar and that this website is supposed to be a forum for people to buy and sell freely.
It seems like there is a group of people who want to keep prices high in order to make more money for themselves. It makes sense that someone with a huge collection wouldn't want someone else to buy cards lower than he is selling them for. Instead of lowering his own prices to meet demand, he tries to make the people who are looking for a good deal to feel like they are doing something wrong.
It's faulty- it is really none of their business whether I want to buy a black lotus for 25 cents, is it? Unfortunately if I DID buy a Black Lotus for 25 cents, people on here would be jealous that it happened and call me a scammer or a ripper or some other baseless equivalent. Oh, you didn't pay 2000 dollars for your black lotus? Well then you are personally hurting me and my friends... That's the mentality on here and it makes no sense.
Here's how it works, if YOU are buying a card for more than me, people will sell to you, right? If you aren't buying the card for more than me, but just post on MY post that no one else should sell me the card, you are doing absolutely nothing for yourself, or for me- with the hopes of somehow saving someone else a dollar? It seems like you are creating an enemy without a reason.
Maybe someone needs money, has the cards, and is happy to sell them to me? You wouldn't know, because you jump to the conclusion that not paying full price is a negative thing.
Look guys, you probably enjoy making people feel bad because it gives some sort of credibility to your refs and the number of trades, and posts, etc.. but it is completely unnecessary.
Then when I try to discuss it on the general topics forum, it's a barrage of negative comments as if I offended all of you personally! It seems like you want to have a small level of control over a complete stranger. If this is how you treat someone who has 10 refs, I would hate to see how you treat someone without any refs at all. They might as well not even trade with anyone but you guys until you teach them the rules, is that how you all feel?
Here's the irony of the whole thing. If I wanted to buy a card, it is a rule that I ABSOLUTELY must post prices. I post the prices (when in actuality I am willing to pay a range of prices) and then I am harassed about the low prices. You guys want it both ways. You won't let someone say "I need wooded foothills, PM if you have them and want to sell them" - You force them to say "I am buying wooded foothills for X" then you say "You need to raise your prices to X+1 because starcity has them at that price." DO YOU ALL WORK FOR STARCITY? Don't you see the hypocrisy in calling the website a trading forum when you force everyone to trade according to your personal standards?
I don't see you guys telling people who are selling cards lower than starcity that they should RAISE their prices? Why don't you guys do that? Wouldn't you want the guy selling his cards to know that starcity sells them for more and that he could potentially make a dollar or two more on his sales?

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First of all, I wasn't rude to you. If you think I was rude, watch out b/c I'm one of the more level headed members. Let me introduce you to Coolio.

Second, nobody here is going to sell you a black lotus on the cheap just b/c you're not rich. They'll sell it for what they can get for it and it doesn't matter if you think that's too much. Others are setting demand and you don't demand it enough. I may think Phyrexian Obliterator is overpriced and should be a $10 card but that doesn't mean I should expect other people to sell it to me for $10 for that reason and neither should you.

Also, I posted my comment on your thread as a heads up b/c I've been heckled before and knew it was coming for you. I was trying to give you a heads up before you attacked me on my own page with nonsense and cussed at me. Grow up. And then you come to MOTL's site trash talking neck beards generalizing people and expect people to receive your comments well? Who the heck do you think you are? Nevermind, we don't care.

If you'd just not responded to me I wouldn't care, but you decided to attack me for my post and that was a bad move on your part and uncalled for.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
Dude, you aren't helping me. You aren't helping anyone but starcity. You knew the harassment was coming for me so you harassed me in a slightly kinder way than someone else? Do you understand that you are not a mod? Do you realize this isn't YOUR website and that I have the same right to be here as you?
Jazz told me not to call people names, so I won't. But you have no authority over me or my posts and should keep your bullying to yourself.

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I'm not helping starcity, i didn't tell you to buy from them. I was pointing out that people aren't going to piece by piece sell you stuff when they can unload everything to them and a higher price? *IF* I was going to sell stuff that low I'd rather sell it to a player than SCG but I have no need to sell stuff that low. If it's near mint/mint players will pay more than SCG buylist so I have no reason to sell it to you at that price or below...or $4 below in case of your bribery. You don't set prices for the community either, demand does and there is enough demand to allow me to sell bribery for more than you want to pay for it.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
I never cussed you out. You are making a false allegation. The only bad word I used was the word Douche. Feel free to post what I said to you. I assure you there won't be any curse words except the word douche. And douche is technically not a bad word... although I won't be calling anyone a douche again because Jazz told me not to.

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Ya know, in theory I could have been partly on your decide until you decided to call me a 'douche'. It's not a bad word? Then I'm sure that's how you refer to your mom?

Anyway, that aside...ya I don't agree with how many members on here are rude to other people...but your response was out of proportion and did more harm than good to your cause. The times I've suggested we change cultures (and on this very issue in fact in the past) I was shot down...though I made more point in a more mature and educated way than you. Your approach will not receive a good response from anyone...even those of us who try to be level headed and could have compromised. If you want to influence culture grow up first and think through your argument and posts before you alienate everyone. You are not the center of the world and you need to learn how to appreciate someone else's perspective.

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Originally posted by VoiceOfTheMeek:
That's the thing. I don't know you. I don't care about your opinion. I don't need you to interact with me whatsoever. You had no business telling me that a buylist exists somewhere in the world that is buying it for more. It's none of your business.
With that same mentality you should write angry letters to every card store in America that is buying cards for less than the top buylist. If ANY store has a buy price lower than ANY OTHER store, you should make it your personal responsibility to tell them they should pay more, then try to teach them about economics and shame them into closing their store down. Right? Because that helps them, remember?

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Haha. I think Motl's mom said it best:

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Frankly, LandD's post on your thread was quite polite and intended to be helpful. You're blowing this WAAAAY out of proportion and acting like a ******* because someone DARED to try and help you? WTF man?

You want to know what's wrong with the MOTL community? People like YOU who can't take a nicely worded piece of advice.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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...seriously? I put MY time into MOTL, not starcity. I buy my cards from MOTL, not starcity. So I view MOTL as partly mine, as do every other member that has responded. Starcity is a company, MOTL is not, its driven by its members.

Without members helping one another this place is going nowhere.

Some folks can be rude, but who cares! Its the internet!