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LandDestroyer
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posted December 03, 2015 04:14 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So we've got Ed Holman (Eddie Holman / Edward Holman) who founded MOTL under the handle Leshrac back in the late 90s.

http://forums.magictraders.com/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=Leshrac

Used to be active but hasn't been in years. Guess he is focusing on his law career.

https://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/DBIndex.aspx?SectionName=attorneys/BIOS/10858.htm

I think his last post was in 2012:

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/017539.html

I don't remember all the history of admins but the last one to be active was Dean Kao under the handle nouveaux

http://forums.magictraders.com/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=nouveaux

His last post appears to have been in 2013 here:

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/017846.html

His last activity presumably fixing when MOTL's homepage got hacked this year.

So you see that banner ad on the top of the page that errs when you click on it? Suppose to lead you to the website for this store:

https://www.facebook.com/Eudemonia/?__mref=message

Either Ed or Dean owns that with I guess Dean running it.

I'm wondering if all of us active users write politely on that page asking if we could get some admin assistance in some updates or them giving admin access to someone more active they trust if we could get a response.

This is prompted by all this talk of us moving on to a new site when many of us just want this site to have some simple updates (fixing the search engine and maybe a couple more mods).

Any thoughts? Maybe a message post like:


Hi! I'm a long standing active member of MOTL. Love supporting the site, but there hasn't been any admin/founder assistance since 2013/2012 respectively. We'd love an admin to help us update the search functionality and maybe ad a new mod, or really just any sort of interaction would be appreciated. There is widespread talk of jumping to a new site, but that seems sad considering there are so many willing to help this site.

Thanks!

- MOTL member since 2004

I'm thinking if we organize that we all post on a certain day. Maybe stagger posts every 30 minutes. Thoughts?

[Edited 6 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on July 11, 2017]

 
Jazaray
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posted December 03, 2015 04:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I guess it's better to try than not to. Good luck

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posted December 03, 2015 04:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MasterWolf Click Here to Email MasterWolf Send a private message to MasterWolf Click to send MasterWolf an Instant MessageVisit MasterWolf's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I assume they just don't care anymore. Which is why a lot of us don't use the site anymore :-/
 
LandDestroyer
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posted December 03, 2015 04:44 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I assume they just don't care anymore. Which is why a lot of us don't use the site anymore :-/

If they don't care they could sell the site or transfer some power :-| They'd make a lot of people happy at no cost to themselves..heck they could make money or at least get us to stop bothering them

[Edited 1 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on December 03, 2015]

 
aethertech
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posted December 03, 2015 05:02 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for aethertech Click Here to Email aethertech Send a private message to aethertech Click to send aethertech an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View aethertech's Have/Want ListView aethertech's Have/Want List
I've got $25 towards helping to buy from current and non-active owners, to move it to a public hosting service that would allow us to re-assign moderators, admins, and edit database through non-physical on-site methods. Since, I'm pretty sure based on the age of this site, the entire thing is located inside one biege desktop sitting in a basement somewhere, with a tape drive and and couple of floppy drives.
 
Jazaray
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posted December 03, 2015 05:35 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aethertech:
I've got $25 towards helping to buy from current and non-active owners, to move it to a public hosting service that would allow us to re-assign moderators, admins, and edit database through non-physical on-site methods. Since, I'm pretty sure based on the age of this site, the entire thing is located inside one biege desktop sitting in a basement somewhere, with a tape drive and and couple of floppy drives.

People, including myself, have been trying to buy/get Lesh to transfer this site for several years now. He's not interested.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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AEther Storm
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posted December 03, 2015 11:24 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for AEther Storm Click Here to Email AEther Storm Send a private message to AEther Storm Click to send AEther Storm an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
People, including myself, have been trying to buy/get Lesh to transfer this site for several years now. He's not interested.

Thanks,
Jazaray



Hi Jaz, do you perhaps know why he isn't interested?

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Jazaray
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posted December 04, 2015 04:07 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Hi Jaz, do you perhaps know why he isn't interested?



Nope, the only answer I got the last time I asked about it (perhaps six months ago now) was No. *Shrug*

Thanks,
Jazaray

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And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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BoltBait
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posted December 05, 2015 04:38 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BoltBait Click Here to Email BoltBait Send a private message to BoltBait Click to send BoltBait an Instant MessageVisit BoltBait's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Haha, the last time I had any interaction with nouveaux, he called me a "troll".

I really love this site, but it is currently owned by someone who doesn't give a damn about it.

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Tha Gunslinga
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posted December 05, 2015 05:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hey, 3 mod posts in a row!
Lemonjuice
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posted December 05, 2015 06:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Lemonjuice Click Here to Email Lemonjuice Send a private message to Lemonjuice Click to send Lemonjuice an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'll donate to this cause...$100 your way if we can find someone to administer the site etc.
 
LandDestroyer
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posted December 05, 2015 06:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Lemonjuice:
I'll donate to this cause...$100 your way if we can find someone to administer the site etc.

heh, dont need donations for this cause. just looking for people who will agree to post on the Eudemonia page at the appointed time.

and

WOAH, 3 different mods posting in a row on 1 thread. i already feel accomplished! :-D

 
Shadow88
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posted December 05, 2015 08:09 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Shadow88 Click Here to Email Shadow88 Send a private message to Shadow88 Click to send Shadow88 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BoltBait:
Haha, the last time I had any interaction with nouveaux, he called me a "troll".


Does he know what that means? How is that possible?

 
mm1983
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posted December 05, 2015 08:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mm1983 Click Here to Email mm1983 Send a private message to mm1983 Click to send mm1983 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View mm1983's Have/Want ListView mm1983's Have/Want List
It seems that we all just need to accept the fact that he doesn't care about selling the site or making necessary changes to make the site as good as it once was. This doesn't mean that trades can't be made here but it's just a pain to search for any cards newer than Gatecrash and that people have turned to tcgplayer or star city games as their price guides. Those of us who remain to be active here must do what we can to make new members feel welcomed here and give them a positive experience when to comes to trading here.
 
BoltBait
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posted December 05, 2015 09:01 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BoltBait Click Here to Email BoltBait Send a private message to BoltBait Click to send BoltBait an Instant MessageVisit BoltBait's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Shadow88:
Does he know what that means? How is that possible?

That's what happens when someone takes control of a website and doesn't familiarize themselves with the staff.

I told him that if he had any questions about my contributions to the site to ask Leshrac.

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posted December 06, 2015 03:10 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
He probably has some deal with eudomania (you know, the guys who were going to "modernize" the forum) and so can't sell it anyway.
 
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posted December 06, 2015 08:56 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for junichi Click Here to Email junichi Send a private message to junichi Click to send junichi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
You have a better chance of gathering all 7 dragon balls and wishing for the resurrection of MOTL than to get support from Leshrac or any other admin.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
You have a better chance of gathering all 7 dragon balls and wishing for the resurrection of MOTL than to get support from Leshrac or any other admin.

Brought tears to my eyes. Thank you, sir.

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LandDestroyer
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posted December 06, 2015 04:54 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
You have a better chance of gathering all 7 dragon balls and wishing for the resurrection of MOTL than to get support from Leshrac or any other admin.


Did I forget to mention I did that? The dragon said he would grant me my wish but it would take a little work on my part. I mean, he is powerful but not THAT powerful. Beerus told me GL

 
Jazaray
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posted December 07, 2015 07:43 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
He probably has some deal with eudomania (you know, the guys who were going to "modernize" the forum) and so can't sell it anyway.

Leshrac owns Eudomania. It's his brick and mortar store.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

Those who refer to me as "he" WILL be smacked. ;)

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posted December 07, 2015 08:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for paragondave Click Here to Email paragondave Send a private message to paragondave Click to send paragondave an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View paragondave's Have/Want ListView paragondave's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
Leshrac owns Eudomania. It's his brick and mortar store.

Thanks,
Jazaray


It would be different if MOTL drove traffic to his site, but MOTL has become diametrically opposed to retail. That explains a lot. Updating and keeping MOTL relevant is counterproductive to his store. If I'd known Ed owned Eudemonia, I wouldn't have bothered even trying to get hold of him. Now I know why he doesn't care or want to see MOTL improved.

Why he keeps renewing it is for the mods I'm guessing, for their hours and hours of unpaid help getting MOTL up and functioning and keeping MOTL useful. It would be a giant middle finger to them if he let it expire.

My theory.

 
LandDestroyer
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posted December 07, 2015 09:13 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So....what I'm getting from the responses here and on facebook is that you've all thrown in the towel and don't even want to attempt to get their attention to help MOTL anymore. You've all just been beat down too much.

Maybe it'll be me instead of Dave that is giving MOTL CPR until the end :-\

 
crusader_ff3
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posted December 07, 2015 11:26 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for crusader_ff3 Click Here to Email crusader_ff3 Send a private message to crusader_ff3 Click to send crusader_ff3 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
It is sad, really. I've also had terrible experiences on motl the past few years. Too many lowball offers when my only rule on my sales thread is in bold and says "no offers" or just extremely rude people.

This site used to have so much activity. Did everyone jump ship? What other sites can we use that are still active? I'd hate to start over on references...

 
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posted December 07, 2015 11:41 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by crusader_ff3:
It is sad, really. I've also had terrible experiences on motl the past few years. Too many lowball offers when my only rule on my sales thread is in bold and says "no offers" or just extremely rude people.

This site used to have so much activity. Did everyone jump ship? What other sites can we use that are still active? I'd hate to start over on references...


I've been scared away from MTGS despite my only deal on there going well (an unl sea about 2 years ago). Just can't navigate that curse bs. I hear people talk about puca trade but I'm scared of what I've heard about the site - the currency inflation problem long term and condition issues. I complete almost all of my selling via facebook groups now, mainly the high end group...but means I don't move my stuff worth less than $50. And everyone on here seems to want me to trade duals for a bunch of my $4 wants. I think to complete trades on here I'm going to have to take off my stuff worth over $50 and just deal in $40 total trades...but I hate doing that with the current cost of shipping compared to back 10 years ago when I used to trade a lot. it'd be a little different if we could search on newer sets but every set that gets released just makes it harder and harder to trade. i just bought my 4th dack fayden on ebay b/c i couldn't search on them here.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on December 07, 2015]

 
paragondave
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posted December 07, 2015 04:00 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for paragondave Click Here to Email paragondave Send a private message to paragondave Click to send paragondave an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View paragondave's Have/Want ListView paragondave's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
So....what I'm getting from the responses here and on facebook is that you've all thrown in the towel and don't even want to attempt to get their attention to help MOTL anymore. You've all just been beat down too much.

Maybe it'll be me instead of Dave that is giving MOTL CPR until the end :-\


It's been made pretty clear that nobody with the authority to update MOTL is interested in doing so. Deal with it as it is or build another trading site. Those are pretty much your options. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by continuing to contact someone who has made their feelings quite clear. I've offered to buy the site numerous times as have others. He can't be forced to sell or update the site and umm, it is a FREE site so he's not under any obligation to do anything, including renewing it. I'm not sure what calling me out by name is going to do to help the cause.

Also, I'm still posting a trade thread and a sales thread so clearly, some of us are still here.

 

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