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Topic: Imperial Seal trade value for P9.
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Marmotas
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posted December 13, 2012 06:38 AM
     
Someone offered me x1 Unl Mox Pearl (Played) and a x1 Unl Timetwister (played) for my Imperial Seal (NM/M, English)...Is this a favorable/ok/bad trade for me? I was aiming more for x1 Mox Emerald and x1 Mox Pearl (both played, Unl) for it, which i would take. Is this an ok trade should aim for?, or accept the above trade? (played as in, with some wear, but still considered good) Thanks.
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nailbunny7
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posted December 13, 2012 07:16 AM
I probably wouldn't, but scans of the p9 would help.
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Marmotas
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posted December 13, 2012 07:45 AM
Mmm, dont have scans since its someone i met in person. But i was searching for a good example and i think i found it, http://sales.starcitygames.com//cardconditions.php In the Moderately Played section, there is a pic with a caption that says "Moderate Whitening", i feel like both cards (the Mox Pearl and the Timetwisted) are around that condition (front and back), i didnt noticed any curvature, creasing, bending, etc, only whitening in both card and borders. (may be a little worse than in the pic)
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Marmotas on December 13, 2012]
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TheGreat1
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posted December 13, 2012 07:49 AM
 
You also have to worry about the authenticity of the cards you are receiving. I would ensure the mox and twister are genuine before jumping into any sort of deal.
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Marmotas
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posted December 13, 2012 07:58 AM
How do i do that?, i know a couple (like the blue paste thing, and the light test), i will check both once i meet him again just in case. At first glance they looked real, i checked the corners and the tickness to see if they felt different.The only pieces of power i have, i received from Tha Gunslinga a few years back (2008 i think), and im confident they are real thanks to this, so i will compare them to mine. Btw, here is a quick pic i took from the seal a few weeks back when i was planning on selling it. http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/Logos_photo/19072009292.jpg
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Vermilion
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posted December 13, 2012 08:07 AM
Unless you really need the power I would stick with the seal. I don't see seal going down anytime soon and I feel seal will outpace those cards in the future. Considering it's newer and it's already outpaced them it's pretty impressive.
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Marmotas
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posted December 13, 2012 08:35 AM
Thank you guys  I guess i will try to aim for both moxes then since i really need them (and im not using the seal), and if not possible, i will hold onto the card and wait for a while to see what happens with it and the price.
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daner
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posted December 13, 2012 12:32 PM
I haven't checked all the prices in a while, but I'm about 99.999% sure that the Imperial Seal(especially in Eng) is worth more than the Twister and Pearl combined, even if both are nm-mnt.I wouldn't make that trade. EDIT: I'd aim for a Emerald and Pearl in decent shape, like EX/EX- for a NM-Mnt English Imperial Seal. Last time I checked an Eng Seal was like close to $650-700...I'd think you could get a pretty good Emerald and Pearl for that price.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on December 13, 2012]
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rats60
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posted December 13, 2012 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
Last time I checked an Eng Seal was like close to $650-700...I'd think you could get a pretty good Emerald and Pearl for that price.
Looking at Ebay, there was a buy it now for 590. The last auction ended at 485. I just don't see someone giving up 2 Moxes for a ~500 dollar card. The offer seems fair to me.
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ermabwed
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posted December 13, 2012 02:59 PM
My last extra seal was not a hard sell at $650.__________________
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nailbunny7
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posted December 13, 2012 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by ermabwed:
My last extra seal was not a hard sell at $650.
Got rid of mine locally for 600 with no large amount of effort.
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Nyarlathotep333
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posted December 13, 2012 07:46 PM
What would a graded BGS 9.5 English Seal be worth? Also, does anyone see this being reprinted at some point? It's not on the reserved list.
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ermabwed
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posted December 13, 2012 08:19 PM
A super limited reprint such as a FTV or something similar to Commander's Arsenal is possible at some point, but for flavor reasons I'd be surprised if it were ever reprinted in a set. Adding in the collectibility consideration and the fact that Vampiric Tutor was demonstrably unbalanced in earlier formats, I'd say a normal reprint is unlikely but we may see a limited release foil. Unlikely to have a huge impact on the price of the real thing (but would certainly have some).There might be somebody out there collecting graded P3K, but you'd really have to auction that. Personally I'd consider it devalued, and I think most people would feel the same. I think you'll get some premium at auction, but the majority of buyers just plain don't want a graded card.
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daner
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posted December 13, 2012 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by rats60:
Looking at Ebay, there was a buy it now for 590. The last auction ended at 485. I just don't see someone giving up 2 Moxes for a ~500 dollar card. The offer seems fair to me.
Was the $485 auction from a low feedback seller? Or was it just a good deal? Was it beat up? As a few have stated it's easy to move them for $600+. If that's the case then the first trade is a ripoff, and it should be easy to get two less desireable mox.
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ermabwed
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posted December 13, 2012 10:48 PM
US-only shipping and auctions ending at random times in the middle of a weekday often produce similar results. In this case it was both (ended relatively late on a Tuesday night, and no international shipping). Seller was not brand new, but under 100 feedback, with most over a year old. The scan does look mint though.__________________
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Leeroy
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posted December 14, 2012 03:21 AM
Imperial Seal went down a bit. Last year (or was it this year's spring? Not sure, to be honest), shops were buying English Seals for $600, selling for... well, tons. Today, StarCity sells NM ENG Seals for $700 and Asian ones for $400. Personally, I wouldn't trade two Moxes for it. Timetwister and Pearl? I might do that.
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bawitheba
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posted December 14, 2012 05:59 AM
Card kingdom will give 520 cash +20% for trade in for a English seal. I think you could move it for 600 a couple months ago a English seal went for over 1000. P3k cards have some random numbers on auctions.
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Marmotas
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posted December 14, 2012 06:49 AM
Thanks for all the feedback guys Btw, what are the prices for Mox Emerald, Mox Pearl, and Timetwister (all unlimited) that you guys are working with right now? (at least for Slightly played or Moderately played conditions?)
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rats60
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posted December 14, 2012 08:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by daner:
Was the $485 auction from a low feedback seller? Or was it just a good deal? Was it beat up? As a few have stated it's easy to move them for $600+. If that's the case then the first trade is a ripoff, and it should be easy to get two less desireable mox.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-English -Imperial-Seal-MTG-Portal-3-Kingdoms-Kid-Icarus-/190754010117?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2c69d33405 Kid Icarus got 530.00 for his. The 485 was from a seller with ~100 feedback, so it's not that low. It's a rare card, so someimes you can ask high and get it, but the same can be said of power. QUOTE]Originally posted by bawitheba:
Card kingdom will give 520 cash +20% for trade in for a English seal. [/QUOTE] CardKingdom
Mox Pearl 535.50 EX
Mox Pearl 476.00 VG
Mox Pearl 416.50 G
Timetwister 260.00 VG Even with the 20% trade in, you couldn't get a VG Twister and a Good Mox.
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daner
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posted December 14, 2012 09:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-Engl ish -Imperial-Seal-MTG-Portal-3-Kingdoms-Kid-Icarus-/190754010117?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2c69d33405Kid Icarus got 530.00 for his. The 485 was from a seller with ~100 feedback, so it's not that low. It's a rare card, so someimes you can ask high and get it, but the same can be said of power. QUOTE]Originally posted by bawitheba:
Card kingdom will give 520 cash +20% for trade in for a English seal.
CardKingdom
Mox Pearl 535.50 EX
Mox Pearl 476.00 VG
Mox Pearl 416.50 G
Timetwister 260.00 VG Even with the 20% trade in, you couldn't get a VG Twister and a Good Mox.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean he HAS to buy from Card Kingdom. If he can sell the Seal for $550 or so...he can turn around and probably find someone selling a Mox Emerald and Pearl in a played condition for $550 total. If Card Kingdon is giving $520 that means what? They are selling for $650+? I'd take my chances selling the Seal for $600(either on Ebay or MOTL) and picking up 2 Moxes on MOTL or Ebay with the money I made. I'm not saying it's a full blown 100% guarentee, but if you got $600 like I said, then made a MOTL buy list offering that money for played Emerald and Pearl you might get that instead, if not you can certainly get 1 mox + twister with $600, and probably have some left over. It just seems like if he goes about this the right way, he is more likely to get more than what was initially offered in the trade.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on December 14, 2012]
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rats60
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posted December 14, 2012 10:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by daner:
That doesn't mean he HAS to buy from Card Kingdom. If he can sell the Seal for $550 or so...he can turn around and probably find someone selling a Mox Emerald and Pearl in a played condition for $550 total. If Card Kingdon is giving $520 that means what? They are selling for $650+? I'd take my chances selling the Seal for $600(either on Ebay or MOTL) and picking up 2 Moxes on MOTL or Ebay with the money I made. I'm not saying it's a full blown 100% guarentee, but if you got $600 like I said, then made a MOTL buy list offering that money for played Emerald and Pearl you might get that instead, if not you can certainly get 1 mox + twister with $600, and probably have some left over. It just seems like if he goes about this the right way, he is more likely to get more than what was initially offered in the trade.
Like I said, anything's possible, but I am sceptical if Kid Iccarus can only get 530 (which means 470 after fees). I know that I had people lined up to buy Good condition Moxes at 300+ too, so there's no way that I would trade 2 Moxes for a Seal.
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