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JinxKraxel
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 posted August 01, 2013 04:19 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JinxKraxel Send a private message to JinxKraxel Click to send JinxKraxel an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hi

can anyone help to find out the value on an uncut Beta sheet? Where to sell that kind of stuff for best value?

Here are some pics

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w579/KraxelJinx/CardsheetRare_zps33932087.jpg

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w579/KraxelJinx/CardsheetUncommon_zps9d1d2d67.jpg

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w579/KraxelJinx/CardsheetCommon_zps0467546d.jpg

Thanks much

 
iccarus
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*drool*

Get someone with a librarities account to post it over there. I'm sure one will be along soon. There are way more experts over there who could fairly evaluate this.

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coolio
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 posted August 01, 2013 06:04 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for coolio Click Here to Email coolio Send a private message to coolio Click to send coolio an Instant MessageVisit coolio's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
do these have regular backs? or white back? could you post a pic with the sheet partially rolled from the bottom?

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98ViperGTS
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Presto


http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9005

[Edited 1 times, lastly by 98ViperGTS on August 01, 2013]

 
JinxKraxel
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 posted August 01, 2013 06:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JinxKraxel Send a private message to JinxKraxel Click to send JinxKraxel an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
do these have regular backs? or white back? could you post a pic with the sheet partially rolled from the bottom?

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They have regular backs. It is an uncut sheet. The only thing that differs this from a complete beta set is that the sheets are not cut into cards.

 
coolio
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quote:
Originally posted by JinxKraxel:
They have regular backs. It is an uncut sheet. The only thing that differs this from a complete beta set is that the sheets are not cut into cards.

just wanted to clarify, because there are white back (artist proof sheets) of these floating around, and I wanted to know which ones you had, thanks

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hammr7
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 posted August 01, 2013 06:33 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for hammr7 Click Here to Email hammr7 Send a private message to hammr7 Click to send hammr7 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
The last I knew, the white-backed sets, probably from Collector's Edition, have lingered in the $1,000 to $1,500+ range. There were a few attempts on Ebay to get $20,000 for them, but to my knowledge those attempts went nowhere. Maybe the publicity drove the price up a bit. But the price was very much aligned with the value of a regular Collector's Edition set.

I haven't seen a real set of uncut Beta offered in more than a decade. So pricing is likely to be whatever the second highest bidder is willing to spend. Ten years ago, when white-backed sets were going for no more than $500, the one real Beta set went privately for something like $5,000.

I would expect the value to be at some sort of discount from a top condition Beta set, since the cards are uncut (and since there is a great deal of risk if someone was trying to cut the sheet into singles). I don't know how big that discount would be.

 
Truman
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 posted August 01, 2013 08:13 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Truman Click Here to Email Truman Send a private message to Truman Click to send Truman an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Truman's Have/Want ListView Truman's Have/Want List
The uncut set on MKM is priced at 15,000 EU but I would suspect that something like this would end up going for a negotiated price. I'm assuming you're looking for pricing because you're selling. If that's the case, are you looking for cash only or would you consider a cash and trade offer, because the latter would probably get you more "value" if you're simply looking to get more cards with the proceeds.
 
Demilio
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There is one currently being sold that has white backs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/M AGIC-MTG-BETA-UNCUT-SHEET-ORIGINAL-OWNER-EMPLOYEE-OWNED-BETA-UNCUT-SHEET-/251305981552?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a8300f670

 
Vermilion
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quote:
Originally posted by Demilio:
There is one currently being sold that has white backs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/M AGIC-MTG-BETA-UNCUT-SHEET-ORIGINAL-OWNER-EMPLOYEE-OWNED-BETA-UNCUT-SHEET-/251305981552?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a8300f670

And the price on that one is unrealistic. This person is looking for more then 2x the actual value.

 
JinxKraxel
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 posted August 01, 2013 09:05 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JinxKraxel Send a private message to JinxKraxel Click to send JinxKraxel an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thanks all so far for helping with this.

I am not sure if the mkm one has card backs or white backs. When I see the one on ebay I assume that the mkm one also has white backs.

Any more suggestions? Maybe also with a place to find a buyer besides bay?

 
Truman
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The MKM one has real backing. There is a separate listing for the set of white-backed sheets that he has.

The one on eBay is priced at least 10x higher than value from what I've been able to gather from the Librarities site.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Truman on August 01, 2013]

 
iccarus
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 posted August 01, 2013 09:59 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for iccarus Click Here to Email iccarus Send a private message to iccarus Click to send iccarus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View iccarus's Have/Want ListView iccarus's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by JinxKraxel:
Any more suggestions? Maybe also with a place to find a buyer besides bay?

I suggest patience, unless you really need a quick flip.

Post it enough forums (with a valid email address on your account), and interested parties will likely reach out to you. It's a pretty niche item and the amount of collectors with the cash to spend is pretty limited.

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MasterWolf
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I thought there were only 3 of these in existence? I guess the number must be greater then...
 
JinxKraxel
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quote:
Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I thought there were only 3 of these in existence? I guess the number must be greater then...

Thats the figure I´ve heard of, too

 
majicman
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 posted August 01, 2013 12:40 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for majicman Click Here to Email majicman Send a private message to majicman Click to send majicman an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I now know why the infamous "RARE" Island existed. Check the rare sheet.

I have a question for the masses. Wouldn't they have configured 11 different common sheets, 3 different uncommon sheets and 1 rare sheet during the cutting process before packaging? Or am I way off base here?

Pretty cool items.

I wish you all the best in finding a buyer. I am sure there are a few out there and patience is the key.

Regards...Greg

 
coasterdude84
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quote:
Originally posted by majicman:
I have a question for the masses. Wouldn't they have configured 11 different common sheets, 3 different uncommon sheets and 1 rare sheet during the cutting process before packaging? Or am I way off base here?

No need. Just run the common sheet at 11x the rare sheet, stack them all up, then grab 11 cards from the common pile, 3 from the uncommon, and 1 from the rare.

 
hammr7
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I assume all such sets are white-backed unless I have confirmed to the contrary. And the white-backed sets are just not worth $20,000.

Given the dearth of real-backed sets, I would want to really check any such set offered - in person - before considering a purchase. I have just seen too many good fakes over the years. I have never purchased anything from the linked seller, but if that set is Magic backed (as in claimed in the description) then one picture should show that. And the top of the listing shouldn't say blank-backed. At best it is horrible form. At worst it is trying to scam potential buyers by alluding to something it isn't.

 
coinmagic45
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Potentially dumb question:

This thing has to be worth more than a Mint Beta set, right? Otherwise the owner could just cut it into individual card (obviously being careful about the edges/corners) and sell the individual cards?

-Mark

 
jbark
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I think wizards may even aid in the cutting of the sheet if wanted. I don't believe they intended to have the sheet in circulation. But it should be worth more than a full set. Then again you can play the cards in a set and collect them. This you can not.
 
jvs
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 posted August 02, 2013 08:47 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for jvs Click Here to Email jvs Send a private message to jvs Click to send jvs an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
It is extremely, extremely difficult to cut a sheet and have it come out perfectly. Wizards is not going to help you do so.

jvs

 
twol84
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They are worth less than a set, because they are white backed and because of the difficulty in cutting the sheet. Theoretically, if a sheet could be cut, we would have a bunch of ridiculous beta miscuts on our hand. From the prices we saw on a couple of cut revised sheets...
 
Radivel
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He already stated they are not white backed, so cutting is theoretically possible.

I'd pay an insane amount of money for the Ancestral Lotus this thing could get, haha. The Fast Wheel and the Twistageddon would be ridiculously awesome split cards too.

 

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