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Topic: Value of a Summer Magic Booster
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mini1337s
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posted October 15, 2013 06:33 PM
      
Assuming a sealed Edgar booster came up for sale, what would the value be?
I'm not in the market, nor do I have access to one, I'm just curious what the consensus would be in terms of value.
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twol84
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posted October 15, 2013 10:16 PM
 
Summer boosters are a problem because unless they came from a sealed box or someone who was knowingly given summer product, the first card has to be searched to determine it's summer. Once that happens, the pack is essentially compromised as a searched pack does not differentiate between the first card and the rest of the cards being searched.
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twol84
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posted October 15, 2013 10:18 PM
Summer boosters are a problem because unless they came from a sealed box or someone who was knowingly given summer product, the first card has to be searched to determine it's summer. Once that happens, the pack is essentially compromised as a searched pack does not differentiate between the first card and the rest of the cards being searched.
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Bagbokk
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posted October 15, 2013 10:43 PM
 
Sure, but the same is true for loose packs of any old set that can be searched, yet they still have a certain value even though everyone basically knows they've been searched.
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sdematt
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posted October 15, 2013 11:14 PM
Unless you know the seller personally/chain of ownership. Then you can guarantee.-Matt
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twol84
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posted October 15, 2013 11:34 PM
Untrue. With old packs, you can actually identify which set they are packs off easily enough. With summer, they are identical to revised packs, and unless they have been opened from a sealed box, which is where the ones with the annoying E cane from, you MUST search the pack to tell that it's summer.Think about it. I walk up to a dealer and ask him about his summer pack. He has either searched the pack and thus can tell me it's summer, or I run the risk that it is revised. If it's the former and he's already searched the pack, can I trust that he only searched the first card? If it's the latter, it alreafy creates potential problems for a face to face sale - imagine the potenial for fraud over, say, ebay. You have to realise these aren't the same as alpha/beta boosters where loose packs still carry some hope that they are not searched. That said, 5k.
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twol84
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posted October 15, 2013 11:35 PM
Christ, my spelling from my mobile is atrocious.
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AGO
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posted October 16, 2013 03:23 AM
You have to consider all older packs searched.....
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mm1983
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posted October 16, 2013 04:21 AM
Can old starter decks such as Revised, Unlimited, Beta, or Alpha be searched in any way? Starter box itself would be sealed and the cards inside the box would also be sealed. Would it be possible for someone to open this product and reseal it?
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JinxKraxel
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posted October 16, 2013 04:50 AM
Old Packs and these can be searched I´ve heard that several times.I have an revised pack and tried to look through but I can not see the top card. It is impossible I think.
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stab107
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posted October 16, 2013 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by JinxKraxel:
Old Packs and these can be searched I´ve heard that several times.I have an revised pack and tried to look through but I can not see the top card. It is impossible I think.
Old packs are easily searchable. Just pull the packaging taut and hold it up to the light. You will be able to see the card name through the thin packaging.
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JinxKraxel
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posted October 16, 2013 05:40 AM
Just tried that - I fail to see anything through the packaging.. lol
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Aznopium
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posted October 16, 2013 05:42 AM
some people dont have the skillset, it's okay.
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JinxKraxel
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posted October 16, 2013 05:56 AM
Please do not start fights with other members, thank you.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Tha Gunslinga on October 16, 2013]
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Vermilion
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posted October 16, 2013 06:02 AM
Last one I heard change hands went for $7k.
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mnDiff
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posted October 16, 2013 06:56 AM
summer boosters CANNOT BE FOUND if you keep your Revised booster box sealed ...so you wont find NO SEALED summer booster box ON PLANET EARTH you must open your sealed Revised booster box and search at least 1 pack to know its a Summer box & not Revised box ... now if someone got X revised booster box from the same source at the same time and opened 1 and found out that it contains SUMMER packs ... then the other booster box MIGHT be sealed summer booster box BUT until all opened you cannot guarantee ... that's my opinion at least for the prices ... something around Vermilion's value I guess ... few years ago I heard of 3500-4500$ values so it might be near the 7K now ...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mnDiff on October 16, 2013]
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isetfire
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posted October 16, 2013 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Vermilion:
Last one I heard change hands went for $7k.
This is the most recent price I heard too. Was sometime in the last year I believe.
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twol84
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posted October 16, 2013 09:38 AM
Interesting, I would have expected a fair value of 5k. At 7k, you pretty much make a loss on basically almost every nonblue dual and below -- assuming a BGS 9 grading. Ignoring a singular price point which could be an outlier, what is the average value of an average booster on the market? The average summer booster with the problems listed, I honestly do not see selling for 7k. I would definitely pay 5k on an unsearched booster, though.
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thror
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posted October 16, 2013 09:51 AM
The value of the cards inside isnt what drives the price. It's the rarity of having a sealed item. Even for boxes/packs of something like revised, the value of the sealed product is higher than the price of all but the best cards in the set. __________________
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twol84
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posted October 16, 2013 10:12 AM
Agreed, but even at 5k you'd already see a pretty negative EV if you pop the pack. Part of owning a pack is its increased resale value over time. Unless you grade the pack (which isn't even particularly safe as grading companies have proven to be unwieldy at best), the random backpack dealer is going to have difficulties proving the provenance of the pack. This is a problem unique to summer, and must be taken into consideration versus alpha/beta.
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Bagbokk
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posted October 16, 2013 12:18 PM
@twol : I know you're much more experienced at this particular market than I am, but if I'm buying any older pack, from anyone, unless I saw it personally opened from a sealed booster box in front of me, I'm going to assume that it's searched and offer accordingly. In this sense, there is no difference between a loose summer booster (which "must be searched") versus a loose Beta booster (which theoretically may not have been searched, but should be assumed to be searched). All this really means is that there are two price points for older non-summer packs, a higher price for those packs that you can determine are unsearched (again e.g., those that you saw opened from a sealed box) and a lower price for those packs that you have to necessarily assume have been searched, while summer packs only really have one price point (the price at which you know/assume it has been searched to figure out that it's summer). Also, packs are always negative EV 
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twol84
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posted October 16, 2013 12:53 PM
Fair enough, and honestly with prices the way they are, it's difficult to say how much the next one sells for. Summer packs should have two points as well, though. There are some people I'd trust to not have searched the pack if it were from a confirmed summer booster box.
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caquaa
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posted October 16, 2013 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by mm1983:
Can old starter decks such as Revised, Unlimited, Beta, or Alpha be searched in any way? Starter box itself would be sealed and the cards inside the box would also be sealed. Would it be possible for someone to open this product and reseal it?
To be the best of my knowledge, alpha can be searched, sorta. The starters weren't sealed and the rare is on the front and based on that rare on the front you can make a highly educated guess on what the rare behind it is.
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mnDiff
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posted October 17, 2013 06:32 AM
unsearched SUMMER booster ??? you need to search at least 1 card to make sure 100% its a summer booster .... you will tell me that you search one, but dont try to look which rare in there ?? not so credible...HOW on planet earth will you find anybody who know he potentially has a sealed summer dual land in one of his sealed summer booster but rather sell it unsearched than search every pack to make sure ??? I think at this point even the guy who cant see trough revised boosters will learn how to do it ........ lol last I heard of summer boosters ... price was not fix ... it was selling like that : - Summer booster (unsealed but with 15 cards) : 2xxx
- Summer booster sealed but crap rare : 4xxx
- Summer booster sealed with good rare : 7xxx and that's scarry ...
[Edited 2 times, lastly by mnDiff on October 17, 2013]
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tap4black
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posted October 17, 2013 12:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
To be the best of my knowledge, alpha can be searched, sorta. The starters weren't sealed and the rare is on the front and based on that rare on the front you can make a highly educated guess on what the rare behind it is.
Alpha starters were sealed, both on the deckbox and the cards inside. You can make an educated guess once the outer shringwrap has been removed from the deckbox and the inner package exposed as the rares are indeed the exposed card. You cannot tell in any way what is in an Alpha deck without removing the outer wrap.
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