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Originally posted by chaos021:
Even with Death and Taxes getting popular again, I never expected it to go far beyond $60. I was trying to trade or sell mine when it hit this point. At this point, with it costing more than some dual lands, I think a lot of people will look at other decks that do well against it. I just can't imagine people trading for Rishadan Port at this price level.

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+1 I'd like a playset but I can't see them staying at $130 which is in the dual land range for value. I'm hoping they settle back to under $100...

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Originally posted by iccarus:
My guess on reprint is most likely as a judge foil. I don't see much demand to return to Mercadia any time soon. It also does not feel like a card that would end up in a core set or other specialty product, outside of maybe a FTV...especially if WotC wants to avoid another debacle like TNN caused.

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Well, they could print a set of decks that each have something good in them like what AR said here

"It took a while, but we finally came out with the follow-up to 2011's first set of Commander decks. Hopefully you'll agree that the new batch was worth the wait. The five decks are a blast to play, are jam-packed with exciting reprints, and feature some new takes on designs for legendary commanders that couldn't appear in any other product.
One thing that didn't go exactly as planned with these latest Commander decks is the imbalance in availability caused by the presence of a highly sought-after Legacy card—True-Name Nemesis—in one of them. While I don't regret printing cards in products like these that are powerful enough to show up in Constructed decks in Eternal formats, I don't like that the decks offer such different value propositions when there's an imbalance like there is here. We'll be doing our best to maximize equality in fixed products going forward! "

So they could print 5 decks that each have powerful cards, such as

Deck#1
Force of Will
Stifle
Bribery
Misdirection
Cunning Wish
plus other cards printed prior to modern. Counterspell, force spike, edh cards, etc.

Deck#2
Rishadan Port
Flooded strand
They can really go wherever they want here. Maybe make a rebels deck with tangle wire.

Deck#3
Wasteland
Goblin Piledriver
Burning Wish
Blood Stained Mire
Wooded Foothills
+ other goblin stuff printed before Mirrodin/8th edition.

Deck#4
Vindicate
Pernicious deed
Living Wish
Windswept Heath
Polluted Delta
Plus other stuff like spiritmonger, other cards printed prior to 8th/Mirrodin + edh stuff

Deck#5. Dunno, something like
Entomb
Phyrexian Obliterator
Fulminator mage
Through the breach
Emrakul
Oblivion stone
Plus other stuff like zombify, unburial rights, buried alive, akroma, other stuff printed before 8th/mirrodin + edh stuff.

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Originally posted by thror:
you are really smoking something crazy if you think they would print all of that at once in a product like this.

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These are CASUAL products. Aaron wants something/things good/decent in each deck, so retailers arent stuck with 4 piles of trash and 1 that's never in stock.

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Originally posted by thror:
Commander decks are aimed at a casual audience. Comparing MM and Commander at all is folly, they are completely different distribution methods. A single commander deck has an MSRP of $30. You CANNOT put $200 worth of cards in a product like that and expect the product to end up in the hands of its target audience. Sure, Vindicate and some smaller stuff could show up, but to pile Vindi, Delta and heath into the same deck?? Wasteland Mire Foothills? I seriously believe you are smoking some primo something.

These are CASUAL products. Aaron wants something/things good/decent in each deck, so retailers arent stuck with 4 piles of trash and 1 that's never in stock.

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Ok genius, but I did include in my statement
"So either a commander type thing, a legacy masters thing, or something."

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Grr. The point of this post wasn't for you guys to bicker about who's priorities are right at different points in your life. I feel like we used to have more civil discussion on MOTL a decade ago.

So basically most of you expect the price to keep going up, but nobody has indicated how quickly. I think it's interesting how big of a jump legacy staples have been making over the last year.

I personally think Port will stay around its current price point b/c I don't expect D&T to get more popular than it was before TNN was printed UNLESS Brimaz and Spirit make an impact that gets through the Zealous Persecution hate etc right now. I could be wrong.

A little note in reference to some of the comments I'm seeing. Just because your income increases doesn't mean you are willing to spend more on Magic. When I first joined this site I was in college and used all my extra money to get into this game buying Moxen, Lotus, etc. Now I make $80,000 a year and am about to be engaged to a doctor yet I refuse to play Elves in legacy b/c I refuse to spend the going rate on a set Gaea's cradles.

As you make more money, your priorities and expenses go up. I have a mortgage, a car, I'll have to pay for a wedding, I am trying to increase savings. One thing you didn't state is that usually as ADULTs make more money they increase their contributions to 401k, Roth IRA by a corresponding amount/increase. Also, your wife may be ok with you spending money on your hobby with your combined income...but don't assume when you get married you're suddenly making more money and will spend your wife's money on your hobby. She should have hobbys too. You don't sound like you're in a successful marriage (guessing never been married).

That all being said, there are enough players who do have money and are willing to spend it on magic that it drives up these prices. Some of it is partially due to people manipulating prices...but that only works if there are buyers. Does it screw over people who don't want to drop their entire paycheck on cardboard? Yes! Does anyone care? Not really. I mean, I care, but I don't matter. Same as you. Until WOTC gets rid of the reserved list this will persist. If they don't, eventually only the richest magic players will play [sanctioned] legacy like vintage. That's not SCG's fault (though they do get on my nerves), that's WOTC's fault...and the fault of people using magic as an investment vehicle and doing massive speculative buyouts to drive up the price.

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I wasn't really trying to start something, it was more of me playing devil's advocate. I do believe these price increases aren't sustainable, but then again I have a vested interest in being wary.

If any other Tier 1 deck starts abusing Port and gains in popularity it will go up. If Lands/Dark Depths continues gaining popularity it will still go up. $100 isn't the ceiling on this card.

And you're right, I'm a naive college kid. I haven't married yet, but I have the feeling that if you're thinking in terms of "her money" and "my money" that isn't going to be a very successful marriage. I want to build Elves too, and I'm not thrilled by the price of Cradles either, but I'll trade for them anyways. Why? Because they will retain value and will likely go up in value. If I needed the cash I could just resell them. Maybe the big difference here is that I'd trade for them rather than straight up buy them. But I've long since passed the point of needing to buy the cards I want, still cards are cash, it's just a different form of currency.

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Originally posted by Godswill:
I wasn't really trying to start something, it was more of me playing devil's advocate. I do believe these price increases aren't sustainable, but then again I have a vested interest in being wary.

If any other Tier 1 deck starts abusing Port and gains in popularity it will go up. If Lands/Dark Depths continues gaining popularity it will still go up. $100 isn't the ceiling on this card.

And you're right, I'm a naive college kid. I haven't married yet, but I have the feeling that if you're thinking in terms of "her money" and "my money" that isn't going to be a very successful marriage. I want to build Elves too, and I'm not thrilled by the price of Cradles either, but I'll trade for them anyways. Why? Because they will retain value and will likely go up in value. If I needed the cash I could just resell them. Maybe the big difference here is that I'd trade for them rather than straight up buy them. But I've long since passed the point of needing to buy the cards I want, still cards are cash, it's just a different form of currency.

Hope I didn't offend anyone, just wanted to get a discussion going.

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
So you think they should print a Legacy masters set because you can't afford the cards.

How about no.

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+1 ... I have no interest in seeing a Legacy Masters Set

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Originally posted by marvinc023:
+1 ... I have no interest in seeing a Legacy Masters Set

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Here's a quick list of cards that could be in a set like this and really not be too powerful by todays standards.

As I said in another thread, some adults don't want to play mtg with 13 year olds.

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
If you don't want to play a format that's limited by who can afford the cards, play Standard or draft.

As I said in another thread, some adults don't want to play mtg with 13 year olds.

So we play Legacy.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
I'd like to see a FTV for all legacy and older cards. Nothing can be newer than Scourge.

Here's a quick list of cards that could be in a set like this and really not be too powerful by todays standards.

Sinkhole
Mother of Runes
Arcane Denial
Covetous Dragon
High Tide
Gauntlet of Might
Spike Weaver
Recurring Nightmare
Cursed Scroll
Nimble Mongoose
Helm of Obedience
Mirri's Guile
Lotus Vale
Shallow Grave
Stifle

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It wouldn't matter how powerful these cards are since they are only Legacy and Vintage legal anyways.

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Originally posted by Godswill:
It wouldn't matter how powerful these cards are since they are only Legacy and Vintage legal anyways.

The problem is, do you really think that printing these cards will help the Legacy situation? Not really. How many of these are actually played in Tier 1 decks right now? Maybe 1/3? And of those most of them are already cheap anyways. There is only real value in Stifle. There needs to be a pretty high power level for a FTV Legacy to have any effect.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
I'd like to see a FTV for all legacy and older cards. Nothing can be newer than Scourge.

Here's a quick list of cards that could be in a set like this and really not be too powerful by todays standards.

Sinkhole
Mother of Runes
Arcane Denial
Covetous Dragon
High Tide
Gauntlet of Might
Spike Weaver
Recurring Nightmare
Cursed Scroll
Nimble Mongoose
Helm of Obedience
Mirri's Guile
Lotus Vale
Shallow Grave
Stifle

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Now quick tell me of those is on the reserved list and CANNOT be reprinted anyways.

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