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southparker2002 Member	posted August 06, 2014 07:47 PM My local hobby shop is selling Revised starter decks for $170. Worth it? What do I get in those?
mini1337s Member	posted August 06, 2014 09:07 PM quote: Originally posted by southparker2002: My local hobby shop is selling Revised starter decks for $170. Worth it? What do I get in those? Bottle of Suleiman Dragon Engine Mishra's War Machine Thoughtlace There are a 121 rares in Revised. 11 are worth owning (duals and Wheel of Fortune). You get 2 shots at a rare. Do the math (not worth it).
JayC Member	posted August 06, 2014 10:24 PM Not even close. They close on eBay for less, too.
paragondave Member	posted August 07, 2014 12:18 AM you might get a sol ring or a demonic tutor plus those sweet craw worms!
stab107 Member	posted August 07, 2014 04:13 AM 40% basic land... Also, I believe Revised starters had 3 rares.
thewarden Member	posted August 07, 2014 05:44 AM The only way it would be worth it is up you pulled a blue dual land.....which is slim to none with 121 rares in the set. And there were 3 rares per revised starter deck I conclude that it's not worth it to buy and open it for the cards inside
Vermilion Member	posted August 07, 2014 06:24 AM If you want something for collector value yes but if you're planning on opening it don't waste your time just buy the duals.
oneofchaos Member	posted August 07, 2014 08:23 AM Just use some really fuzzy math. Odds of blue dual being your rare = 4/121 ~= 3.3% Odds of no blue dual = 96.7% Probability of no blue duals = (.033)^0(.967)^3= 0.904231063 Assume to make things even weirder each blue dual was worth 500 dollars, and each non blue dual rare was worth 0. Expected value of starter = 0.9042310630 (no blue dual)+0.095768937*500 (got a blue dual!)= $48 The expected value is slightly better than the above as that only accounts for getting 1 blue dual and you could certainly get 2 or 3 but the probability is very low and wasn't included.
coasterdude84 Member	posted August 07, 2014 11:08 AM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: The expected value is slightly better than the above as that only accounts for getting 1 blue dual and you could certainly get 2 or 3 but the probability is very low and wasn't included. That and you assume non-blue duals have zero value, but even so, factoring actual values of things, the $48 EV is probably pretty close.
mm1983 Member	posted August 07, 2014 12:06 PM Could a Revised starter have a chance at having 2 or 3 duals in the starter deck as the rares?
MDunsh Member	posted August 07, 2014 12:53 PM Not 100%, but I am fairly certain I recall pulling two duals lands on a single starter back in the day. Never heard of 3, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. [Edited 1 times, lastly by MDunsh on August 07, 2014]
ruthless Member	posted August 07, 2014 01:14 PM someone on youtube made it aswell on camera, he cracked 10 revised starter and ,cant remember correctly, but i assume it had 3 or 4 duals in total nvm watch it yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSqckU_SLEE
Krieg Member	posted August 07, 2014 03:31 PM Revised starters only had 2 rares each in all the ones I opened
oneofchaos Member	posted August 07, 2014 03:41 PM quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: That and you assume non-blue duals have zero value, but even so, factoring actual values of things, the $48 EV is probably pretty close. I think I was more than generous assuming blue duals were 500 each...
squirrelman Member	posted August 07, 2014 06:32 PM Revised starters had both 2 and 3 rares per starter depending on when they were made. I started near the beginning of revised and there were only 2 rares per starter then. Sometime near the end of the run of Revised it switched over to 3 per.
D'Shay Member	posted August 08, 2014 08:49 AM quote: Originally posted by squirrelman: Revised starters had both 2 and 3 rares per starter depending on when they were made. I started near the beginning of revised and there were only 2 rares per starter then. Sometime near the end of the run of Revised it switched over to 3 per. i dont believe this is true, only have 2 rares for unlimited and before. I got in at revised, in the beginning, and there are 3 rares per starter deck, not 2 anyone else confirm/deny this?
headumpire Member	posted August 08, 2014 09:03 AM Revised starters are two rares. If you get tropical island, you will also get Bayou. This is the only possibility of getting two duals I believe EDIT, my mistake, I guess it is 3 rares. The Bayou/Trop statement is correct tho [Edited 2 times, lastly by headumpire on August 09, 2014]
coasterdude84 Member	posted August 08, 2014 11:53 AM quote: Originally posted by headumpire: If you get tropical island, you will also get Bayou. This is the only possibility of getting two duals I believe I believe this is correct as well, and it was also true for A/B/U starters as I recall. [Edited 1 times, lastly by coasterdude84 on August 09, 2014]
rats60 Member	posted August 08, 2014 01:14 PM quote: Originally posted by headumpire: Revised starters are two rares. If you get tropical island, you will also get Bayou. This is the only possibility of getting two duals I believe Did you watch the video? Every one had 3 rares. I've seen many cases opened back in 94-95 and they all had 3 rares. I think the first run may have been 2, but most had 3. A/B/U all had 2 rares. Early in the Revised print run it was changed to 3 and stayed that way until starters were discontinued. I started about 2 months after revised was released and I never saw a starter with only 2 rares.
Nitelite Member	posted August 08, 2014 11:01 PM I remember them having 3 rares as well.
LandDestroyer Member	posted August 11, 2014 01:13 PM quote: Originally posted by headumpire: Revised starters are two rares. If you get tropical island, you will also get Bayou. This is the only possibility of getting two duals I believe EDIT, my mistake, I guess it is 3 rares. The Bayou/Trop statement is correct tho If you get a tropical island you will either get a Bayou or a Warp Artifact. If a Bayou is the first rare you get a Trop. If a trop you get a warp artifact. The order of the rares can be determined off this sheet http://www.mtgartwork.com/uncut-sheets-for-sale.html But yes, getting a trop and a bayou is the only chance of getting more than 1 dual in the pack and that is the most expensive pack you can get. Fun fact: In a beta starter you can get a Black Lotus and a Mox Emerald in a single starter. Pic of uncut sheet here http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/45
shade2k1 Member	posted August 12, 2014 02:14 PM quote: Originally posted by D'Shay: i dont believe this is true, only have 2 rares for unlimited and before. I got in at revised, in the beginning, and there are 3 rares per starter deck, not 2 anyone else confirm/deny this? Squirrelman is correct. Revised starters only had 2 rares until late in the print run. __________________ There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back at us...you blinked.
D'Shay Member	posted August 12, 2014 03:17 PM i got in involved right when revised came out and never had 1 with 2 rares, and i opened hundreds of starters. They all had 3 rares
TimeBeing Member	posted August 12, 2014 05:12 PM quote: Originally posted by shade2k1: Squirrelman is correct. Revised starters only had 2 rares until late in the print run. yes this is correct I opened a ton of them also. They started with 2 rares and then moved to 3.
mm1983 Member	posted August 12, 2014 07:44 PM quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: If you get a tropical island you will either get a Bayou or a Warp Artifact. If a Bayou is the first rare you get a Trop. If a trop you get a warp artifact. The order of the rares can be determined off this sheet http://www.mtgartwork.com/uncut-sheets-for-sale.html But yes, getting a trop and a bayou is the only chance of getting more than 1 dual in the pack and that is the most expensive pack you can get. Fun fact: In a beta starter you can get a Black Lotus and a Mox Emerald in a single starter. Pic of uncut sheet here http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/45[/b][/quote] Based on this information and looking at the uncut sheet, if you started at the bottom of a column and went up, that's how you knew what the 3 pack rares were? Did people use the uncut sheets to map out booster boxes if they didn't do the search method. If a Bayou was pulled from a booster box did that mean a Tropical Island was nearby in the same box?

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