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Originally posted by shade2k1:
How much should I look to pay for a Revised starter box where the box itself is unwrapped but all the starter decks are still sealed? Is there a significant price difference from a fully sealed starter box?

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Can revised starter boxes be mapped? If so, I would just treat it as the price of a regular sealed starter x the number of decks in a box. Maybe a slight premium for having the display box.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Can revised starter boxes be mapped? If so, I would just treat it as the price of a regular sealed starter x the number of decks in a box. Maybe a slight premium for having the display box.

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Originally posted by pgrieco:
I've compared a box opening video online to an uncut revised rare sheet and found it to be very easy to anticipate the cards in the box after two starter boxes were opened.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
Starters sell for $175+ mapped or not. Most people don't buy these to open them they buy them to have one.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Is that a retail price? That is more than boosters go for. Checking completed Ebay auctions, booster boxes go from 1650-1900. Figuring they lose ~13% in fees and starter boxes are only 30 rares instead of 36 per booster, I can't see paying more than 1200 (120 per starter). I only see one complete auction and it ended for 133.58.

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agreed. plus weren't some of the early print runs of the starters 2 rares instead of 3?

also, ya people would care if the outside isn't sealed so you can see the first card...so those would go for less unless the first card is a bayou.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:

also, ya people would care if the outside isn't sealed so you can see the first card...so those would go for less unless the first card is a bayou.

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Originally posted by mnDiff:
revised starters dont show NO RARE as the rares are AFTER the booklet ... it would show you the first common

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Originally posted by rats60:
Is that a retail price? That is more than boosters go for. Checking completed Ebay auctions, booster boxes go from 1650-1900. Figuring they lose ~13% in fees and starter boxes are only 30 rares instead of 36 per booster, I can't see paying more than 1200 (120 per starter). I only see one complete auction and it ended for 133.58.

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You may want to check eBay completed listings they've been selling in the $175 range consistently. So no that isn't a retail number it's an eBay number retail would be $200+.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
You may want to check eBay completed listings they've been selling in the $175 range consistently. So no that isn't a retail number it's an eBay number retail would be $200+.

http://www.ebay. com/itm/Magic-The-Gathering-3rd-Revised-Edition-Starter-Deck-Factory-Sealed-Box-New-/221586933804?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item33979c482c
http://www.ebay.com/ itm/MTG-Magic-The-Gathering-3rd-Revised-Edition-Starter-Deck-Factory-Sealed-/221582395190?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item3397570736
http://www.ebay.com/ itm/MTG-Magic-The-Gathering-Factory-Sealed-3rd-Revised-Edition-Starter-Deck-/151447220461?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2342f530ed
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-Magic -the-Gathering-Revised-Edition-Starter-Deck-/191386435699?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2c8f854073
http://www.eb ay.com/itm/Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Revised-Edition-Deckmaster-Starter-Deck-Factory-Sealed-/181564708711?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2a46199767

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I don't know why those didn't show up when I ran a completed auction search. I just got a bunch that didn't sell, one that sold as a buy it now at 179 and the one for 133. Still doesn't change the fact that you can buy booster boxes for 1650-1900. No one is their right mind would pay 1750.00 for an opened Starter Box. 1100-1200 would be where you need to buy it.

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Originally posted by rats60:
I don't know why those didn't show up when I ran a completed auction search. I just got a bunch that didn't sell, one that sold as a buy it now at 179 and the one for 133. Still doesn't change the fact that you can buy booster boxes for 1650-1900. No one is their right mind would pay 1750.00 for an opened Starter Box. 1100-1200 would be where you need to buy it.

Edit, Ok now they're coming up. I see 133, 143, 145, 152.50, 155, 157, 160, 164, 175, 175, 179.50 and some buy it nows. So, I wouldn't say 175 range consistently, that seems to be the top of the range to me.

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OK let me explain this to you as easy as I can. This game is about supply and demand.

3 sold in the past month under $150.
3 between $150-$159.99
4 between $160-$174
10 between $175-$189.99
9 between $190-$220

I think the numbers speak for themselves that they are consistently $175+ per starter. Selling them as an open starter deck box is pointless given the results above and if I was going to sell my starter deck box I'd be asking for $2k+.

I just recently sold a case of revised (10 boxes) for $1700 each outside of eBay as a quick sale to a well known dealer. Expect prices for sealed revised to rise it's coming.

Not to mention the only Revised starters listed on eBay currently are $200+ as a BIN so if you want one you don't have many options. You can pay the $200+ or wait it out.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
OK let me explain this to you as easy as I can. This game is about supply and demand.

3 sold in the past month under $150.
3 between $150-$159.99
4 between $160-$174
10 between $175-$189.99
9 between $190-$220

I think the numbers speak for themselves that they are consistently $175+ per starter. Selling them as an open starter deck box is pointless given the results above and if I was going to sell my starter deck box I'd be asking for $2k+.

I just recently sold a case of revised (10 boxes) for $1700 each outside of eBay as a quick sale to a well known dealer. Expect prices for sealed revised to rise it's coming.

Not to mention the only Revised starters listed on eBay currently are $200+ as a BIN so if you want one you don't have many options. You can pay the $200+ or wait it out.

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You know this used to be a place where people helped each other out. It is so sad this is what it is now. I know what sealed products for. I have an extensive collection of unopened product. I deal with one of this biggest dealers in unopened material. You still haven't answered my question, why would anyone pay those high prices for revised starters when they can buy boosters cheaper? You sold a case for a high price, good for you. That's a lot different than 10 loose starters.

The prices I quoted were all the auctions, not cherry picking auctions like you did. Now you bring up buy it nows, which aren't a true indication of price. It is clear that you are hyping this product, but if you expect prices to rise, why would you sell? Your whole post contradicts itself.

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Originally posted by rats60:
You know this used to be a place where people helped each other out. It is so sad this is what it is now. I know what sealed products for. I have an extensive collection of unopened product. I deal with one of this biggest dealers in unopened material. You still haven't answered my question, why would anyone pay those high prices for revised starters when they can buy boosters cheaper? You sold a case for a high price, good for you. That's a lot different than 10 loose starters.

The prices I quoted were all the auctions, not cherry picking auctions like you did. Now you bring up buy it nows, which aren't a true indication of price. It is clear that you are hyping this product, but if you expect prices to rise, why would you sell? Your whole post contradicts itself.

You don't have to talk down to me and act like some internet know it all, because you are not. I'm just trying to help the guy out. Your posts are just dishonest.

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The only thing I find sad is your attention to detail when it comes to only looking at auction prices on the items in question. If you didn't just look at auctions you'd have seen that more Revised starters have sold for $175+ then starters under $175. If you want to give the guy advice and guidance then give him correct advice and guidance. The correct thing would have been tell him to list them on eBay for $190. Being the cheapest on eBay at that point I'm sure someone would come along and buy them. Instead of giving him oh this is what I'd pay because the box is open BS. Just because you don't feel they're worth more then $120 each doesn't mean someone else does. I don't see how you're helping by low balling.

I'm not hyping anything once the sealed product is gone at the prices they are at now the price will go up it's call supply and demand. I decided to sell my case of revised because I have ways of replacing it unlike many other items in my collection hence why I sold it. That is neither here nor there.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
The only thing I find sad is your attention to detail when it comes to only looking at auction prices on the items in question. If you didn't just look at auctions you'd have seen that more Revised starters have sold for $175+ then starters under $175. If you want to give the guy advice and guidance then give him correct advice and guidance. The correct thing would have been tell him to list them on eBay for $190. Being the cheapest on eBay at that point I'm sure someone would come along and buy them. Instead of giving him oh this is what I'd pay because the box is open BS. I don't see how you're helping by low balling.

I'm not hyping anything once the sealed product is gone at the prices they are at now the price will go up it's call supply and demand. I decided to sell my case of revised because I have ways of replacing it unlike many other items in my collection hence why I sold it. That is neither here nor there.

My posts are not dishonest by any means I'm giving him all the facts which you lacked to do. The only dishonest person here is you. I will talk down to you when you give someone only half the information they request.

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You are the guy who only listed the highest auctions. You lied to the OP. I listed every auction. Buy it nows are not auctions. He can list them at high prices and hope they sell. If you really understood pricing you would understand why you don't buy based on ask. I guess you don't know it all.

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Originally posted by rats60:
You are the guy who only listed the highest auctions. You lied to the OP. I listed every auction. Buy it nows are not auctions. He can list them at high prices and hope they sell. If you really understood pricing you would understand why you don't buy based on ask. I guess you don't know it all.

I know what dealers will pay for the item. You found one guy who would pay a high price, or so you claim. Now you say you can replace it for less, but you want the OP to pay higher. More dishonesty from you. I'm trying to give the guy advise to get into the item at a fair price. One where he won't lose money. At your 190, he nets 165 but you want him to pay 175. Go on and keep talking. The more you talk the more your lies are exposed.

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You really are stubborn. If I understood pricing? Wow you really have no clue. I listed every price you listed only auctions. I'm giving him all the facts as to what he can sell them for what he wants to pay is up to him.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
You really are stubborn. If I understood pricing? Wow you really have no clue. I listed every price you listed only auctions. I'm giving him all the facts as to what he can sell them for what he wants to pay is up to him.

I found 1 guy that is willing to pay high prices? I've actually sold 21 revised boxes in the past 2 months to 3 different people. He won't loose money if given all the correct information just auction prices isn't all the information. I'm not telling him to pay $175 I'm telling him they consistently sell for $175 please go back and read what I've stated. You really have your facts mixed up.

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Originally posted by rats60:
No, you only listed the 3 highest auctions and two buy it nows and told him that's where they were selling. That was a lie. You never said anything about any other auctions until I caught you in your lie and posted every completed auction. Then you bring up buy it nows which are a crap shoot because you've been caught lying and you want to try to save face. Sure he can list for 190, but that doesn't mean it will sell.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
So let me get this right you seem to think I'm lying because I gave the 5 most recent sales? I don't see how I was lying. You on the other hand only posting auction prices is very deceiving knowing that buy it nows were selling for $175 to $220. Please enlighten me if they're listed at $190 bin why they wouldn't sell considering the only other ones listed on eBay are $200+. I feel you need to take a marketing class.

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Originally posted by rats60:
The last 3 didn't sell for 190, but you somehow think that the next one automatically would? How does that even make sense? The next one could very easily end much lower because the active buyers have already bought. If your marketing class taught you that you should buy items based on what people are asking (buy it nows) rather than actual sales where multiple people are bidding, then you need to ask for a refund. These aren't rare items. If it was an Alpha/Beta starter it would be one thing to over pay and hold out for a high price, but not for Revised. You still haven't addressed why you withheld information from the OP until I brought it up.

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You really have no idea how supply and demand works. I never gave false information I informed the person on what the last 5 sold for. You on the other hand only listed auction prices. Auctioning these would be a waste of time and money since the cheapest one on eBay is listed for $200. Please tell me why someone would pay $200 if someone else has them listed for $190. Why you assume prices can only be based on auctions is beyond me.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
You really have no idea how supply and demand works. I never gave false information I informed the person on what the last 5 sold for. You on the other hand only listed auction prices. Auctioning these would be a waste of time and money since the cheapest one on eBay is listed for $200. Please tell me why someone would pay $200 if someone else has them listed for $190. Why you assume prices can only be based on auctions is beyond me.

I never withheld information I listed the last 5 sales as stated. Bottom line is if it sells it sells that's all that matters buy it now or auction.

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Why is it every time you respond you never answer my question? Why do you continue to be deceptive? You have still not answered why someone would pay more for a starter than booster? For 20 years Revised Boosters have sold for more than Starters, now you are magically claiming they should be more. Every set since, starters sell for less than boosters. My point still stands, they are not worth what you claim.

Your posts don't make sense. These are going to really jump, but you just sold 10 boxes, no make that 21. The last 3 just sold under 180, but the next one has to sell for 190. Auctioning these is a waste? That is just stupid. The smart thing would be to buy them for slightly more than dealers are paying and auctioning them off for a profit. Move on to the next item, not list them high and hope someone buys them and risk sitting on them for who knows how long. Just because someone is asking 200 and not selling doesn't mean that under cutting them by 10 will sell the item.

Now neither of you are really helping the original poster out at this point.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Why is it every time you respond you never answer my question? Why do you continue to be deceptive? You have still not answered why someone would pay more for a starter than booster? For 20 years Revised Boosters have sold for more than Starters, now you are magically claiming they should be more. Every set since, starters sell for less than boosters. My point still stands, they are not worth what you claim.

Your posts don't make sense. These are going to really jump, but you just sold 10 boxes, no make that 21. The last 3 just sold under 180, but the next one has to sell for 190. Auctioning these is a waste? That is just stupid. The smart thing would be to buy them for slightly more than dealers are paying and auctioning them off for a profit. Move on to the next item, not list them high and hope someone buys them and risk sitting on them for who knows how long. Just because someone is asking 200 and not selling doesn't mean that under cutting them by 10 will sell the item.

You did withhold information. Completed auctions show this item selling for as low as 133. You don't think the OP would want to know the low end of the selling market? That is the most important piece of information someone should know when they are buying.

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And you're still wasting my time. I have answered many of your questions I guess you just can't read. Why is it your so stubborn and don't listen? First of all packs can be searched while starters can't. Which is why some collectors much rather have starters then boosters. The main reason behind boosters being more is majority of starters have 2 rares with a small percentage having 3 rares so if your going to more chances at duals you would want unsearched packs unless your hoping to hit a 3 rare starter.

How can you sit here and say they are not worth what they're selling for are you that ignorant to ignore eBay sales?

How do my posts not make sense. I just shipped a case of revised out today. The person I sold it to would happily buy more I just don't want to sell more. Honestly I don't care if you believe I sold 21 boxes or not I really have no need to prove myself and everyone that knows me wouldn't even question me selling that many revised boxes.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
beta ones show the rare first, right?

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nope ... beta are in this order face up:

UNCO / RARES // Booklet / COMMONS ... so it show you the first uncommon ... at least for the starters I opened (I had to find back the video to make sure)

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Originally posted by Vermilion:
And you're still wasting my time. I have answered many of your questions I guess you just can't read. Why is it your so stubborn and don't listen? First of all packs can be searched while starters can't. Which is why some collectors much rather have starters then boosters. The main reason behind boosters being more is majority of starters have 2 rares with a small percentage having 3 rares so if your going to more chances at duals you would want unsearched packs unless your hoping to hit a 3 rare starter.

How can you sit here and say they are not worth what they're selling for are you that ignorant to ignore eBay sales?

How do my posts not make sense. I just shipped a case of revised out today. The person I sold it to would happily buy more I just don't want to sell more. Honestly I don't care if you believe I sold 21 boxes or not I really have no need to prove myself and everyone that knows me wouldn't even question me selling that many revised boxes.

Again supply and demand if you list something with a buy it now and its the cheapest available it will sell considering others have sold for that price or more in the past. Why you would auction these is just stupidity.

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