I've never posted here before, but I have frequently browsed these forums for info in the past and have appreciated this communities knowledge and insights.

I recently acquired a number of sealed booster boxes of Korean Language Urza's Saga and I literally cannot find anywhere to establish a baseline on the value.

I am good friends with a number of current and former Pro Players and none of them have ever seen sealed boxes of Korean Saga before, nor have they ever heard of anyone selling boosters.

I have searched high and low on the internet for any price reference, to no avail. The only recent sale on eBay is the one that I won, for about 1000$ a box. I have since posted an eBay auction and an Amazon listing at 100$ a booster, which is my best (but wildly uninformed) guess at their fair retail price.

I came to the 100$ price by finding retailers that had Korean Tempest booster packs at 60$ and English Tempest at 25. So my logic was that this era of Korean pack is about 2.5x the english price. Since English sells for 40 a pack for Urza's Saga, then korean must be 100$... maybe...

The fact that I have never once seen these for sale and have been playing/trading for 20 years now, combined with the fact that I literally cannot find them anywhere on the internet for sale (or even a record of their sale in the past) makes me wonder if these are the "holy grail" of rare sealed packs and that I should just sit on them until they are worth infinite monies to some desperate foreign booster box collector in the future.

But here is the weird part...

I talked to Daniel Chang of VintageMagic and he claims that they are worthless. Explaining that "tons of stores have cases of them and cant move the product." He claims that I must be in a small trade ecosystem and thats why I dont see them. But I live in the LA metro Area, have friends that travel globally to play in major tournaments, and have searched the entire internet for any sign of these packs/boxes and cannot find any evidence that this is true.

Is Daniel full of it? Or maybe he's mistaking the fact that there is a glut of Japanese boosters from Saga on the market for a devaluation of all foreign Saga boosters? Or am I just failing at finding evidence of them existing all over the place?

For what its worth magiccardmarket.eu seems to agree with my valuation, the only listings for Korean Saga boosters being at 80€ or 3 for 200€. But that doesnt necessarily mean that that is a fair price... especially since they have Japanese at 40€ and english at 25€.

I hope someone can help me solve this mystery. Please tell me if you know what these are worth; or if you can find, or have EVER seen, Korean Urza's Saga boosters for sale. (Other than my listings, and the eBay listing I purchased posted by yizgame)

Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by figs999:
Hi,

I recently acquired a number of sealed booster boxes of Korean Language Urza's Saga and I literally cannot find anywhere to establish a baseline on the value.

But here is the weird part...

I talked to Daniel Chang of VintageMagic and he claims that they are worthless. Explaining that "tons of stores have cases of them and cant move the product." He claims that I must be in a small trade ecosystem and thats why I dont see them. But I live in the LA metro Area, have friends that travel globally to play in major tournaments, and have searched the entire internet for any sign of these packs/boxes and cannot find any evidence that this is true.

Is Daniel full of it? Or maybe he's mistaking the fact that there is a glut of Japanese boosters from Saga on the market for a devaluation of all foreign Saga boosters? Or am I just failing at finding evidence of them existing all over the place?

Thanks in advance!

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Hello and welcome,

I'm sure others will chime in later with more info but you are correct... they are worth something and Mr Chang is full of it if he said they weren't. Korean Saga has several cards worth quite a bit and I'm guessing someone will pay for them... I'm just not a value-guy (sorry).

Bottom line is keep checking and don't toss them!!!

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Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Korean Saga is rare. I would say it is less rare than you think but more rare than what you claim Daniel stated. I have seen booster boxes come up from time to time on Ebay.

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First off, thanks for the info!

The more I think about my conversation with Daniel, the more I think he may not have been understanding that I meant Korean and not Japanese. Japanese saga DOES have a known inventory glut and the packs are at several retailers for practically half of the price of English. He never offered to take them off my hands, or anything. So I don't think he was trying to mislead me. But he may just not be aware of the finer points of foreign language price differences for this particular set. Retailers probably get the gut reaction of "nope not worth anything, go away" to foreign Urzas Saga boxes, because so many people have them in Japanese and Chinese and want to sell them for a premium that they don't carry.

As for the ebay listings you've seen, do you remember how often they pop up? It seems like eBay must clear their historic auction data more frequently now, because I remember years ago being able to search mountains of historic data... now it looks like its just the last couple months. I feel like if these are extremely scarce and simply not in high demand, that it would be worth holding on to them for a few years to find a buyer that wants this specific product. Because, sure I "could" price rare/expensive items to move on eBay, but that would be kind of like taking a Picasso to a local gallery and lowering it's price until you found a buyer.

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Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Also, just because Urza saga boosters are $40/pop based on one Ebay auction, doesn't mean that they regularly sell at that price. Those boosters are worth between $25-$35 each ($30/each is probably the norm). Korean saga is worth slightly more IMO; but the market is smaller for Korean boosters over English boosters. I would estimate that Korean boosters are worth about $50/each (if you are lucky to get that) because unless the card is a staple in a format, the card is essentially worthless.

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Yep, I definitely understand that they are unlikely to be able to sell for 100$ on eBay. I'm trying mainly to gauge the "real" value of the packs, or what a store would price them at. I don't tend to do most of my selling on eBay precisely because of the fact that high-scarcity/low-demand items don't tend to fetch a fair price.

As mentioned, the basis for that is the price that I see Korean tempest listed at being such a significant price hike over English. While writing this, I just went back and checked out the site that I had looked at earlier (ccghouse.com). I actually had remembered incorrectly and they are listing Korean Tempest for 70$. Further, they appear to be selling them!?! When I checked last time they definitely had more than "only one left"!

I would think an additional 75-100% premium on packs based on my experience...so maybe $75 on the upside? But probably closer to $60...JMO

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Originally posted by figs999:
At the risk of rambling now, I also wanted to pose another question about these to the people here. Would these be in the category of boosters that are more valuable in factory sealed boosters? Or is that only Revised and earlier due to the searchable packs?

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Think bigger percentage of hot rares in Saga compared to Revised.

vs

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Originally posted by implode:
Think bigger percentage of hot rares in Saga compared to Revised.

vs

Revised packs are searchable so you, they are worthless to open. Only real value is cards inside to me, making a rev pack a losing proposition for the most part to me.

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Sorry, I mistyped in my original question. I meant are these the type to be more valuable in factory sealed BOXES. Obviously they are probably more valuable in sealed packs... but not to the extent of old sets.

I'd bet you just bought his boxes

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Originally posted by sib51:
They are very difficult to sell.
A guy (Adam) have 5/6 boxes available on a Facebook group, he is offering them at 900$ shipped each since many many monthes and he still have not sell them....

I'd bet you just bought his boxes

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Quite possible! Or that I bought them from the game store that bought them from him. I don't at all doubt that these will be hard to sell. Not very many people want them.

Sounds like the general consensus is that these ARE worth money, and Daniel is incorrect or being misleading. That I got them for about 1000$ a box, because that is the "desperation sale" price. And that I can hold these as sealed boxes until I find a buyer that actually wants these to sell for a fair price, or that I can break them open and sell them for 60-70$ a pack slowly over time.

I think my plan is to give a box to one of my Pro Player friends every time they go to a premier event and have them try and hawk it there, and I will also be testing for buying price on individual packs on eBay and Amazon over the next few months.

Of course, if anyone here ever wants any of these packs, just send me a PM.

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Originally posted by figs999:
That I got them for about 1000$ a box, because that is the "desperation sale" price.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I think you're reading into this a bit too much. You got them for about the normal going rate.

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I agree with that.

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Originally posted by wjuseck:
Daniel rips people off all the time. Or tries to anyway.

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Originally posted by wjuseck:
That's a soft argument and doesn't make what I said untrue.

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maybe not but unless you can prove it with hard evidence, it amounts to slander or I guess in this case, libel since you wrote it.

First and foremost, please send any direct questions to me at: daniel@vintagemagic.com
This is my first time posting on this forum, so please bare with me in getting use to the system.
I want to be clear, my company VintageMagic.com, LLC is an ethical, professional company, which has served artists, collectors, players and investors of Magic since 2009. We have bought, sold, and brokered some of the rarest MTG artwork, cards and rarities. We have tens of thousands of positive transactions and happy clients all over the world.
I share this with not to brag, but to give you some insight of our reputation. We pride ourselves in the professionalism, and a high-level of customer experience as well as helping any community member of questions they may have.

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In regards to this post, I am well aware of the conversation with this client and I'm very disappointed my words were twisted. I never said at anytime, the Korean Urza's Saga box was worthless. That is a lie.
2nd lie is I never said there are tons of stores that have them and they can't move them.

Here is what I did say and advise:
1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magic-MTG-Cards-KOREAN-Urzas-Saga-Booster-Box-RARE-SEALED-NEW-Gaeas-Cradle-/251762143769?hash=item3a9e317219:g:PcgAAOSwnDxUgQfw
This is the eBay auction where the client bought the box.
I explained to him, the price he bought the box was a fair market price. He insisted that the box was more rare, but I advised him, while it may be more rare and hard to find, it necessarily mean the demand is high. I stated the value would be around what he paid for on eBay, less any transaction fees.
He seemed shocked of my appraisal even though he just bought in Feb. 2016 for $1099.99 he insisted it was worth 3x or more.
I then mentioned that just because a box is Korean doesn't mean it has a higher multiplier than an English version. I explained that the set does affect the value, Urza's Saga is already a very pricey set and the pull rate on the top tier cards are difficult. Also, I did mention to him that I have other collectors and dealers who have attempted to sell them for the same price or lower and cannot move them.
I understand the client is upset and doesn't not accept my opinion they are worth much more than what it is worth. But spreading lies that I said they are worthless or there are cases all over, is completely false.
I invite the client to visit our Grand Prix LA booth in May 2016 to meet me in person and answer any other questions he may have.
Thank you everyone for your time,
Daniel Chang

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Originally posted by figs999:
Hi,

I've never posted here before, but I have frequently browsed these forums for info in the past and have appreciated this communities knowledge and insights.

I recently acquired a number of sealed booster boxes of Korean Language Urza's Saga and I literally cannot find anywhere to establish a baseline on the value.

I am good friends with a number of current and former Pro Players and none of them have ever seen sealed boxes of Korean Saga before, nor have they ever heard of anyone selling boosters.

I have searched high and low on the internet for any price reference, to no avail. The only recent sale on eBay is the one that I won, for about 1000$ a box. I have since posted an eBay auction and an Amazon listing at 100$ a booster, which is my best (but wildly uninformed) guess at their fair retail price.

I came to the 100$ price by finding retailers that had Korean Tempest booster packs at 60$ and English Tempest at 25. So my logic was that this era of Korean pack is about 2.5x the english price. Since English sells for 40 a pack for Urza's Saga, then korean must be 100$... maybe...

The fact that I have never once seen these for sale and have been playing/trading for 20 years now, combined with the fact that I literally cannot find them anywhere on the internet for sale (or even a record of their sale in the past) makes me wonder if these are the "holy grail" of rare sealed packs and that I should just sit on them until they are worth infinite monies to some desperate foreign booster box collector in the future.

But here is the weird part...

I talked to Daniel Chang of VintageMagic and he claims that they are worthless. Explaining that "tons of stores have cases of them and cant move the product." He claims that I must be in a small trade ecosystem and thats why I dont see them. But I live in the LA metro Area, have friends that travel globally to play in major tournaments, and have searched the entire internet for any sign of these packs/boxes and cannot find any evidence that this is true.

Is Daniel full of it? Or maybe he's mistaking the fact that there is a glut of Japanese boosters from Saga on the market for a devaluation of all foreign Saga boosters? Or am I just failing at finding evidence of them existing all over the place?

For what its worth magiccardmarket.eu seems to agree with my valuation, the only listings for Korean Saga boosters being at 80€ or 3 for 200€. But that doesnt necessarily mean that that is a fair price... especially since they have Japanese at 40€ and english at 25€.

I hope someone can help me solve this mystery. Please tell me if you know what these are worth; or if you can find, or have EVER seen, Korean Urza's Saga boosters for sale. (Other than my listings, and the eBay listing I purchased posted by yizgame)

Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by paragondave:
maybe not but unless you can prove it with hard evidence, it amounts to slander or I guess in this case, libel since you wrote it.

maybe we should ask Daniel how he feels about it. Hang on and I'll shoot him a pm linking him to this thread.

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Originally posted by wjuseck:
It's your prerogative to defend whomever you wish, but I don't envy your position. I'm not going to air anything out here, but, yes, I have screen caps, saved conversations, emails, texts, and other media that would easily dispel any questions you might have. And it's not hard to find a bevy of other confirmed and unconfirmed incidents-- Google exists. It's a free market economy, but reputation matters, and my original post is only made to make parties here aware of ethical issues I perceive in the community.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
What's funny is that he bought them from a MOTL member, and if he had just contacted them on MOTL, he could have saved at least $50-100 per box, possibly more.

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