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Topic: The Post For Stuff You Just Want To Tell People...the 100th!
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Blastoderm55 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 11:46 AM
You couldn't let me have my moment, Han. TheGame at least already started one of them. I'd never even tried. A plague on both your houses!!! __________________ "I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule" - Randal Graves in Clerks.
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MasterWolf Member
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posted January 14, 2004 11:49 AM
Thanx for the stats! I thought I had only started 1... However, I must defend myself in saying that my closed PFS were not closed for blatent rule disobeying. I was never smacked for them, as it was just usually a misunderstanding or mistake by me or the mod.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by MasterWolf on January 14, 2004]
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Token Member
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posted January 14, 2004 12:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by potm: What the hell is with this PfS bashing all of a sudden? Like as if ANYTHING must have a meaning suddenly, please crawl back in your cave of Hypocrisy.
I don't expect to find meaning in this thread. I'm just commenting that this one is boring so far, since most of the posts are about it being #100. Since this is the Post For Stuff, I can post that here.
quote: Originally posted by Erl00: Is there any PsF number that is remembered for anything interesting?
Blastoderm55 and Han covered it nicely.
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Mr. Poopy Head Member
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posted January 14, 2004 12:39 PM
It's supposed to snow here tonight. Hopefully it does so I don't have to go to school tomorrow. __________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion Through Passion, I gain Strength Through Strength, I Gain Power Through Power, I gain victory Through victory my chains are broken.If you like Ren and Stimpy and want to get a lot of episodes on VCD(74), click here.
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Shadow88 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 12:42 PM
what, I only had 3-4? You big trolls __________________ Whiteshadow17716: i know you are but what are you?I'm starting to feel Lost in the haze of a dream
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nderdog Moderator
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posted January 14, 2004 12:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Shadow88: what, I only had 3-4? You big trolls
I only got one, and that was a case of right place, right time. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! :)Bad Guys Fear The UNDERDOG - Flavor_of_the_Weak Participant in 09:36 PM!
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Shadow88 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 12:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by nderdog: I only got one, and that was a case of right place, right time.
Well yeah, I don't try to get them either. I've let some of them go just so people don't think I'm too much of a troll. __________________ Whiteshadow17716: i know you are but what are you?I'm starting to feel Lost in the haze of a dream
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:12 PM
A recent study done on prime tree "generativity" on coefficients (c) and offsets (o) such that o = c^e-1 where e is some integer power from 2 to 24, has turned out some interesting results (for all primes less than 100,000).It turns out that o=3^12-1 is *not* the most generative. I was mistaken in my original analysis. In fact there are THREE c & o pairs that are more generative than o=3^12-1. They are: c=2 o=2^12-1=4095 G = 156 c=4 o=4^6-1=4095 G = 46 c=2 o=2^8-1=255 G = 24 G = number of prime trees generated for all primes<L that meet or beat the minimum requirements (depth>=10, population>=18). L = upper limit on primes imposed for test, in this case 100,000. For the record c=3 o=3^12-1=531440 has a G of 12. Since 2p+/-4095 has a G which is 13 times that of 3p+/-531440, it stands to reason that 2p+/-4095 is an even better place to look for record breaking trees. I have currently tested all primes up to 129,414,569 for 2p+/-4095 and wouldn't you know? I've already found a few trees of depth 16, and a couple more of depth 17. This beats my previous record. The first tree of depth 17 is 2p+/-4095 at 3821: code:
2p+/-4095 at 3821. Depth: 17. Population: 21. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | [3821] | - = [3547] | - = [2999] | + = [10093] | - = [16091] | . - = [28087] | . + = [36277] | . + = [76649] | . + = [157393] | . + = [318881] | . - = [633667] | . - = [1263239] | . . + = [2530573] | . . - = [5057051] | . . - = [10110007] | . . + = [10118197] | . . - = [20232299] | . . + = [40468693] | . . + = [80941481] | . + = [1271429] | + = [24281] +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The fact that a number of trees of depth 16 and 17 have popped out relatively easily makes 2p+/-4095 a good place to search for trees of greater depth in my push to beat the recordholder arithmetic progression prime chain length of 22. So I am off testing all primes up to 1 billion to see what comes about. I may push beyond 1 billion if it looks promising. 3p+/-531440 was pushed to 1,580,100,000 (about 1.6 billion), I'll make final stats on that push once I finish studying the results. I've solved a serious shortcoming in Maple (the tool I use to write and run the code that does the analysis). Through creative use of DOS batch files the computation now runs much faster and more reliably, and I can easily rip through 200 million prime trees in a 12 hour period. I'm also planning on redoing the "generativity" test, but this time for primes *between* 100,000 and 200,000. It has been suggested that some formulae may perform better at larger starting primes. My experience has been they all perform WORSE at larger starting primes, but I am happy to call that a hypothesis and test it. I'd also like to get back to more challenging scenarios where o<c. Some of the common ones are o=1, o=c-1, o=trunc(c/2)-1, o=trunc(c*.25)-1, o=trunc(c*.75)-1, o=trunc(c/3)-1, o=trunc(2*c/3)-1, o=trunc(sqrt(c)-1), and so forth. To date the deepest tree found where o<c had a depth of 13, this was 50p+/-27 at 1,879 (o=c/2+2). After the second generativity test, I'll probably code up a third G test where the scenarios listed above are checked out. This will be interesting because then I can possibly confirm that G for o>c is greater than G for o<c. Oh BTW... I claim page 3 of PFS#100 for ME! Wheeeee! That was fun. EDIT: I can count... really. __________________ -- PlasteredDragon A.K.A. Chuck Seggelin * ebayID: PDragon616THE STONE RAIN PROJECT: I want your foreign or unusual Stone Rain cards! My Baby
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PlasteredDragon on January 14, 2004]
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nderdog Moderator
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posted January 14, 2004 01:27 PM
Okay...party's over...nothing to see here. 9:36 was all part of your imagination... __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! :)Bad Guys Fear The UNDERDOG - Flavor_of_the_Weak Participant in 09:36 PM!
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Blastoderm55 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:28 PM
They should at least archive threads like that. __________________ "I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule" - Randal Graves in Clerks.
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inca911 Administrator
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posted January 14, 2004 01:28 PM
There's nothing to see here....These aren't the droids you're looking for.... --9:36PM __________________ Wanted--Finder's Fee Offered! ************************* 1. Alpha Starter + Booster + Beta Starter FULL Boxes 2. Minagishi: Foil Squirrel and Foil Minion 3. Oddities! Fillers, Test Cards, etc.
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Lord Titi Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:30 PM
im tiiiired__________________ ^^ no way!
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GottaLoveElves Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:30 PM
Fun's over boys. I did, however, save everything up to potm's last reply on page 10 to my computer. __________________ UBB organizer dealy guy. To those who understand I extend my hand To the doubtful I demand Take me as I am... "Pray to God? Nahh. I pray to Hitler. He gets things done." Why I should be learnding 04/28/02...
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Erl00 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by PlasteredDragon: A recent study done on prime tree "generativity" on coefficients (c) and offsets (o) such that o = c^e-1 where e is some integer power from 2 to 24, has turned out some interesting results (for all primes less than 100,000).It turns out that o=3^12-1 is *not* the most generative. I was mistaken in my original analysis. In fact there are THREE c & o pairs that are more generative than o=3^12-1. They are: c=2 o=2^12-1=4095 G = 156 c=4 o=4^6-1=4095 G = 46 c=2 o=2^8-1=255 G = 24 G = number of prime trees generated for all primes<L that meet or beat the minimum requirements (depth>=10, population>=18). L = upper limit on primes imposed for test, in this case 100,000. For the record c=3 o=3^12-1=531440 has a G of 12. Since 2p+/-4095 has a G which is 13 times that of 3p+/-531440, it stands to reason that 2p+/-4095 is an even better place to look for record breaking trees. I have currently tested all primes up to 129,414,569 for 2p+/-4095 and wouldn't you know? I've already found a few trees of depth 16, and a couple more of depth 17. This beats my previous record. The first tree of depth 17 is 2p+/-4095 at 3821: code:
2p+/-4095 at 3821. Depth: 17. Population: 21. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | [3821] | - = [3547] | - = [2999] | + = [10093] | - = [16091] | . - = [28087] | . + = [36277] | . + = [76649] | . + = [157393] | . + = [318881] | . - = [633667] | . - = [1263239] | . . + = [2530573] | . . - = [5057051] | . . - = [10110007] | . . + = [10118197] | . . - = [20232299] | . . + = [40468693] | . . + = [80941481] | . + = [1271429] | + = [24281] +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The fact that a number of trees of depth 16 and 17 have popped out relatively easily makes 2p+/-4095 a good place to search for trees of greater depth in my push to beat the recordholder arithmetic progression prime chain length of 22. So I am off testing all primes up to 1 billion to see what comes about. I may push beyond 1 billion if it looks promising. 3p+/-531440 was pushed to 1,580,100,000 (about 1.6 billion), I'll make final stats on that push once I finish studying the results. I've solved a serious shortcoming in Maple (the tool I use to write and run the code that does the analysis). Through creative use of DOS batch files the computation now runs much faster and more reliably, and I can easily rip through 200 million prime trees in a 12 hour period. I'm also planning on redoing the "generativity" test, but this time for primes *between* 100,000 and 200,000. It has been suggested that some formulae may perform better at larger starting primes. My experience has been they all perform WORSE at larger starting primes, but I am happy to call that a hypothesis and test it. I'd also like to get back to more challenging scenarios where o<c. Some of the common ones are o=1, o=c-1, o=trunc(c/2)-1, o=trunc(c*.25)-1, o=trunc(c*.75)-1, o=trunc(c/3)-1, o=trunc(2*c/3)-1, o=trunc(sqrt(c)-1), and so forth. To date the deepest tree found where o<c had a depth of 13, this was 50p+/-27 at 1,879 (o=c/2+2). After the second generativity test, I'll probably code up a third G test where the scenarios listed above are checked out. This will be interesting because then I can possibly confirm that G for o>c is greater than G for o<c. Oh BTW... I claim page 3 of PFS#100 for ME! Wheeeee! That was fun. EDIT: I can count... really.
Hi Chuck, While I think these results deserve much congratulations, do you think you're in good way to break the world record?? It seems a huge effort to go from depth 16 to 17. And I intuitively believe that the effort required to go one step beyond will grow exponentially (at least). Is there any theory prooving that the world record is breakable? Eric.
PS: Was I the last to post on 9:36? __________________ MINT is MINT ! Help me finish my boosters collection. Currently most wanted packs: - Portuguese Prophecy, Portal and Portal Second Age - Italian Portal Second Age
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potm Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Token: I don't expect to find meaning in this thread. I'm just commenting that this one is boring so far, since most of the posts are about it being #100. Since this is the Post For Stuff, I can post that here.
I wasn't in fact referring to you I think. __________________ rationalist :: metalhead :: perfectionist :: godless :: happyOriginally posted by bel_riose: Never wanted to know what means potm? HANH Everytime FyreStar says "grasshopper", Hat, the Vulture-headed God of unexpected guests, kills a badger.
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b_berry11 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
Fun's over boys. I did, however, save everything up to potm's last reply on page 10 to my computer.
lol,why for.__________________ Yeah, that was me talking in the 9:36 threadb_berry11@hotmail.com
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by nderdog: Okay...party's over...nothing to see here. 9:36 was all part of your imagination...
That was fun, I should come to this neck of the woods more often.
__________________ 9:36 for evar!!Collection counts Noble Templar: 28 Myr: 281 AIM: LegendaryBatosii
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Token Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:33 PM
Hmm. I can save everything but page one. Ah, well, this one didn't have the greatness of 6:22.
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b_berry11 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:34 PM
lol. What year was 6:22? I missed it obviously. __________________ Yeah, that was me talking in the 9:36 threadb_berry11@hotmail.com
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nderdog Moderator
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posted January 14, 2004 01:34 PM
I'd be interested to see the top posters from 9:36 from someone who has the stuff saved. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! :)Bad Guys Fear The UNDERDOG - Flavor_of_the_Weak Participant in 09:36 PM!
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torie_62 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:35 PM
Oh My Gosh..I'm so sorry peoples..I was at the gym...I get home and hubby tells me there is another wild post happening.... That was him...trying to post on the wild thread...NOT ME. CAN HE PLEASE HAVE HIS OWN MOTL ACCOUNT....so I don't get banned because of him?????
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potm Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:35 PM
here she is, in all her glory: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/012395-10.html 09.36pm closest in b4 close repruhzentin :edit: owned implode along the way __________________ rationalist :: metalhead :: perfectionist :: godless :: happyOriginally posted by bel_riose: Never wanted to know what means potm? HANH Everytime FyreStar says "grasshopper", Hat, the Vulture-headed God of unexpected guests, kills a badger.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by potm on January 14, 2004]
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implode Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:35 PM
9:36 will always be remembered...http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/012395-10.html
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Token Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by nderdog: I'd be interested to see the top posters from 9:36 from someone who has the stuff saved.
I'm sure GLE can tell us, or give you a copy of what's saved.
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b_berry11 Member
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posted January 14, 2004 01:36 PM
Whoah, I could sworn I had like 20 less posts a while ago.. I wonder what happened __________________ Yeah, that was me talking in the 9:36 threadb_berry11@hotmail.com
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