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MagicDraftSim
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posted September 08, 2010 04:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hello,
I made a new, free Magic Draft Simulator because I felt that the other simulators could be seriously improved upon. It shows your previous picks graphically in a similar manner to MTGO as well as providing a sealed deck simulator. Check it out at MagicDraftSim.com .

Thanks

P.S. I hope this doesn't come across as spam...I hate spam, and all my IRL magic friends have loved the site so far, so I figured you guys would too.



[Edited 3 times, lastly by MagicDraftSim on September 08, 2010]

 
-PoX-
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posted September 08, 2010 05:27 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for -PoX- Click Here to Email -PoX- Send a private message to -PoX- Click to send -PoX- an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Nice, nice, I like the sorting option.

Though I like the % it gives you in the Bestiaire, as irrelevant as it is.

So is the AI in this one any better than the current options online? How does your work?

 
totalkaoz
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posted September 08, 2010 05:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for totalkaoz Click Here to Email totalkaoz Send a private message to totalkaoz Click to send totalkaoz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View totalkaoz's Have/Want ListView totalkaoz's Have/Want List
I would also suggest if you could come up with some kind of rating system of how we ended up drafting, even though I know it's tough to really create one that "understands" the synergy of the deck.
 
MagicDraftSim
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posted September 08, 2010 05:46 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm glad you guys like it

The AI is somewhat of a work in progress...it starts with the average pick that everybody picks cards at...then modifies that number based on a number of factors, then chooses the highest rated card. I can't speak for how the other simulators' AI work, but I suspect they heavily weight the average pick order of other users much like my site does.

The factors it takes into consideration are: Color of cards already taken, creature count of cards already taken, whether the mana curve of cards already taken is too high, whether a given card is splashable, even if it isn't in the top two colors and another small modifier for taking colorless spells early (to remain open color-wise). Each of these come into effect and vary in degree depending on how deep into the draft you are.

Thanks for the suggestion of rating the player's final deck...I hadn't thought of that...I'll add it to my list of possible future enhancements...although like you said I think it will be difficult w/o the AI understanding text of course.

Thanks again

[Edited 1 times, lastly by MagicDraftSim on September 08, 2010]

 
wayne
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posted September 08, 2010 06:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View wayne's Have/Want ListView wayne's Have/Want List
Not bad, AI seems higher than WOTC's simulator
 
James_Hetfield2
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posted September 08, 2010 07:11 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for James_Hetfield2 Click Here to Email James_Hetfield2 Send a private message to James_Hetfield2 Click to send James_Hetfield2 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View James_Hetfield2's Have/Want ListView James_Hetfield2's Have/Want List
Gosh I just pulled an Inferno Titan and Primeval Titan haha.

Its fun, nice work.

 
wayne
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posted September 08, 2010 07:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View wayne's Have/Want ListView wayne's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by James_Hetfield2:
Gosh I just pulled an Inferno Titan and Primeval Titan haha.

Its fun, nice work.



If only the packs were real, haha

 
bigbob585
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posted September 08, 2010 08:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for bigbob585 Click Here to Email bigbob585 Send a private message to bigbob585 Click to send bigbob585 an Instant MessageVisit bigbob585's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
it would be awesome if you allowed people to draft against each other. Kind of like online poker when once you get 8 people the draft starts. It would be fairly awesome.
 
MagicDraftSim
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posted September 08, 2010 08:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigbob585:
it would be awesome if you allowed people to draft against each other. Kind of like online poker when once you get 8 people the draft starts. It would be fairly awesome.

There are already a couple sites that do this, but I found that actually getting a game of 8 ppl together is difficult and tedious with only a small extra benefit. Also, having advanced options like this might turn away a lot of ppl who just wanna do a quick draft simulation. Perhaps later down the road this could be implemented if we get lots of users.

 
Jazaray
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posted September 08, 2010 08:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I kinda wish I could at least play against the 7 other computers that drafted, so I could see how I would have done.

Thanks,
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posted September 08, 2010 08:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
I kinda wish I could at least play against the 7 other computers that drafted, so I could see how I would have done.

Thanks,
Jazaray


I would love to implement Magic Online in web form...but I think at that point I would get a letter from a lawyer at Wizards :\

 
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posted September 08, 2010 08:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MagicDraftSim:
I would love to implement Magic Online in web form...but I think at that point I would get a letter from a lawyer at Wizards :\

Ah well. I guess I'll just have to suffer. WAAHHH

Thanks,
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posted September 08, 2010 08:53 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I like it. Works well on an iPad too
 
JasonX-NL
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posted September 08, 2010 11:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for JasonX-NL Click Here to Email JasonX-NL Send a private message to JasonX-NL Click to send JasonX-NL an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thanks, now I can fuel my addiction at work too

No seriously, I love it.

quote:
Originally posted by MagicDraftSim:

The AI is somewhat of a work in progress...it starts with the average pick that everybody picks cards at...then modifies that number based on a number of factors, then chooses the highest rated card.

Could you make cardlists available per set (or drated set-combo) with the 'pick-rating' for each card? I might learn something about what cards are hot and try to figure out why.

Keep it up!

 
MagicDraftSim
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posted September 08, 2010 11:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JasonX-NL:

Could you make cardlists available per set (or drated set-combo) with the 'pick-rating' for each card? I might learn something about what cards are hot and try to figure out why.


Thank you, and Yes, that is definitely on my to-do list...look for it soon


Also, thanks TimeBeing for the heads up on the iPad ...somehow I'm doubting the iPhone is capable of cutting the mustard on this one tho :\

 
iliketrain
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posted September 09, 2010 01:56 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for iliketrain Click Here to Email iliketrain Send a private message to iliketrain Click to send iliketrain an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
its pretty cool, especially being able to sort like on MODO is amazing,
However I am only able to draft ROE and M11, any other set gives me error page, is it just me or are those still incompleted?
 
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posted September 09, 2010 10:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by iliketrain:
its pretty cool, especially being able to sort like on MODO is amazing,
However I am only able to draft ROE and M11, any other set gives me error page, is it just me or are those still incompleted?

I fixed that problem, sorry about that. Have fun

 
flophaus
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posted September 09, 2010 10:53 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for flophaus Click Here to Email flophaus Send a private message to flophaus Click to send flophaus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MagicDraftSim:
I hit submit twice ignore me

(You can delete that post by editing your post and checking "delete post" Just in case you didn't know)

 
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posted September 09, 2010 11:03 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for wisknudde Click Here to Email wisknudde Send a private message to wisknudde Click to send wisknudde an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Awesome thanks a lot
 
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Well, it actually works a bit on the iPhone so at least it'll give me something to do.

Maybe not a huge priority since you may have been going for a MODO feel but any chance of moving the drafted cards to the bottom and the open pack to the top?

It gets annoying having drafted so many cards of a particular color to scroll all the way down just to get to the pack and it might be easier to only scroll down to my picks if I need to reference what I've already got.

 
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posted September 09, 2010 12:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CubFan81:
Well, it actually works a bit on the iPhone so at least it'll give me something to do.

Maybe not a huge priority since you may have been going for a MODO feel but any chance of moving the drafted cards to the bottom and the open pack to the top?

It gets annoying having drafted so many cards of a particular color to scroll all the way down just to get to the pack and it might be easier to only scroll down to my picks if I need to reference what I've already got.


I'm glad to hear there is at least some functionality on the iPhone. As for the scrolling problem, I intend to significantly shrink the header on the draft page to cut down on all the scrolling. After that, I'll consider switching around the picks and draftable cards depending on how it goes...I thought that at first, but I felt that mimicing MTGO would make ppl more 'at home'.

Thanks for the feedback

 
Volcanon
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posted September 09, 2010 01:14 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Any chance for custom sets to work on it?
 
MagicDraftSim
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posted September 09, 2010 01:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicDraftSim Send a private message to MagicDraftSim Click to send MagicDraftSim an Instant MessageVisit MagicDraftSim's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Any chance for custom sets to work on it?

Are you referring to a cube draft, possibly user-created? That is yet another possibility, although that is gonna be a fairly advanced feature that I wouldn't hold out for soon, sorry. Thanks for the suggestion tho

 
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posted September 10, 2010 09:57 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for squirrel overlord Click Here to Email squirrel overlord Send a private message to squirrel overlord Click to send squirrel overlord an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Great job,well done

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posted September 10, 2010 04:10 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Ippon Click Here to Email Ippon Send a private message to Ippon Click to send Ippon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Yea this rocks. I did like 20 - 25 drafts last night but I almost always end up Red/White :O
 

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