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Topic: Banning Jace TMS?!?
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blackmoon74x9
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posted April 14, 2011 11:35 PM
      
Like the topic says i just read a article right herehttp://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/138 and it seems like there in middle of talks about Jace TMS. I dont know how i feel about this. I hate him as next as the next guy but idk this.
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ninjazwig
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posted April 14, 2011 11:45 PM
 
They aren't going to ban JTMS, at this point I think they would just let him rotate out.
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blackmoon74x9
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posted April 14, 2011 11:47 PM
thats what i was thinking they might be doing or they might restrict him when hes in extended or something they wrote a whole thing about him but still i want to see what happens @caquaa
no it dosnt cause as of the moment they dont see any cards that are in extended that need to be banned or restricted. That can change any moment. If you read the article you can see that they have been thinking about it. They can do how they put it a emergency ban if the card makes a deck way to broken. Or when the time comes to do there DCI banned and restricted list it might be on there.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by blackmoon74x9 on April 15, 2011]
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caquaa
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posted April 15, 2011 12:45 AM
well since there are no restrictions in extended, that statement makes anyone who says it look fairly stupid...
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Bugger
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posted April 15, 2011 04:37 AM
Not only that, but the article pretty much says "we've considered banning jace, but we're not going to, for reasons X Y and Z." Jace is not going to be banned; wizards seems to have taken the smartest option: rather than ban the problem card, print cards that will unseat jace from his throne. Just look at Hex Parasite. On the other hand, it sounds like they're not reprinting him in 2012, unless they're reeeeeeeally confident that their proposed counters are going to be strong enough. __________________
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iccarus
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posted April 15, 2011 05:23 AM
@blackmoon74x9 - caquaa is right. They have never restricted a card in Extended before. Cards have been banned, but T2/EXT/Legacy either have a card legal or not. I'm pretty sure it's written in DCI policy somewhere that cards are only ever restricted in Vintage and just banned in any other format.__________________
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joz
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posted April 15, 2011 07:31 AM
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Although Magic 2012 is a few more months away, I can also tell you that this summer's core set was built with the need to fight powerful planeswalkers in mind. Vampire Hexmage and Phyrexian Revoker may not be strong enough to fight this fight, but there are more cards aimed at planeswalkers coming soon.
Hexmage and Revoker work perfectly fine for me; but the fact is that they are creating a huge set of cards just to fight planeswalkers? Bad  . 1-2 cards per set, or 1-card per color to fight PW's would be fine. but an entire core set to fight Tezz, Jace, and Koth? T_T
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coolio
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posted April 15, 2011 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
@blackmoon74x9 - caquaa is right. They have never restricted a card in Extended before. Cards have been banned, but T2/EXT/Legacy either have a card legal or not. I'm pretty sure it's written in DCI policy somewhere that cards are only ever restricted in Vintage and just banned in any other format.
this is flat out incorrect, in the early days of t2, there was a restricted list. want an example? zuran orb was one of the first cards on there. © __________________
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WeedIan
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posted April 15, 2011 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by joz:
Hexmage and Revoker work perfectly fine for me; but the fact is that they are creating a huge set of cards just to fight planeswalkers? Bad . 1-2 cards per set, or 1-card per color to fight PW's would be fine. but an entire core set to fight Tezz, Jace, and Koth? T_T
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psrex
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posted April 15, 2011 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I think Plainswalkers have become more powerful than they intended.
I agree. Zodiac Rooster is a house!
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shaselai
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posted April 15, 2011 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by psrex:
I agree. Zodiac Rooster is a house!
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blackmoon74x9
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posted April 15, 2011 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
@blackmoon74x9 - caquaa is right. They have never restricted a card in Extended before. Cards have been banned, but T2/EXT/Legacy either have a card legal or not. I'm pretty sure it's written in DCI policy somewhere that cards are only ever restricted in Vintage and just banned in any other format.
no that is also wrong all the formats do have a banned and restricted list. As of right now they dont have any cause there isn't anything way to powerful besides Jace. Heres another example of them banning a card in T-2.
"The last time we banned a card in Standard was March of 2005. In that announcement, we banned Arcbound Ravager, Disciple of the Vault, and all six artifact lands. The Affinity deck that those cards enabled had been terrorizing Standard since Darksteel's release"
@AlmostGrown
If you talking to me yes ive read it. Im not talking about them banning him now while hes in T-2 but he might be a no go for the other formats. There just gunna let him rotate out and see what happens after that. @coasterdude84
they might not ban him in vintage is cause hes nothing compared to most of the cards in the formant. But he probly will get restircted tho in some formats if not banned.
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AlmostGrown
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posted April 15, 2011 09:53 AM
@OP:quote:
Originally posted by Wizards of the Coast:
I will begin by talking about what we won't do. We are not going to emergency-ban Jace, the Mind Sculptor or any other card in Standard.
Did OP even read the article he linked? __________________
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Thanos
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posted April 15, 2011 09:56 AM
This looks like a call for SALVATION NOOOOOO!
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Bugger
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posted April 15, 2011 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by joz:
Hexmage and Revoker work perfectly fine for me; but the fact is that they are creating a huge set of cards just to fight planeswalkers? Bad . 1-2 cards per set, or 1-card per color to fight PW's would be fine. but an entire core set to fight Tezz, Jace, and Koth? T_T
I see what you mean, but on the other hand planeswalkers are a relatively new card type unlike anything else in magic history. It's always taken time for them to get good at making balanced cards of a new type. Equipment took them a few sets to perfect, for example. Creatures were massively underpowered (and spells and enchantments massively OP) in alpha and for quite awhile. I think jace was a result of Design and Development starting to cautiously raise the ceiling in terms of power level of planeswalkers; to their credit it has taken them a lot longer to print the Skullclamp of Planeswalkers than it did for equipments (3 blocks vs 2 sets). So I'm impressed that planeswalkers have been designed this well so far. __________________
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wayne
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posted April 15, 2011 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Thanos:
This looks like a call for SALVATION NOOOOOO!
I second this.
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AGO
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posted April 15, 2011 10:55 AM
I love it when my 25 cent duress eats a Jace.
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coasterdude84
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posted April 15, 2011 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by blackmoon74x9:
no that is also wrong all the formats do have a banned and restricted list. As of right now they dont have any cause there isn't anything way to powerful besides Jace. Heres another example of them banning a card in T-2.
As far as I recall, Legacy has never had a card restricted in it; it has always been all or nothing. The only reason cards are restricted and not altogether banned in T1 is because the purpose of the format is so you can play with any card (with the exception of ante cards and Chaos Orb/Falling Star nonsense). I find it unlikely they would make an exception for Jace.
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Havoc Demon
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posted April 15, 2011 11:07 AM
Banning Jace does nothing, everybody just switches over to the next best deck and Standard continues to be stagnant and boring. __________________
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Nyarlathotep333
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posted April 15, 2011 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by psrex:
I agree. Zodiac Rooster is a house!
No way! Great Wall FTW! +1 for Friday chuckles though. Thanks! *EDIT* Fixed URL
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TimeBeing
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posted April 15, 2011 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
As far as I recall, Legacy has never had a card restricted in it; it has always been all or nothing. The only reason cards are restricted and not altogether banned in T1 is because the purpose of the format is so you can play with any card (with the exception of ante cards and Chaos Orb/Falling Star nonsense). I find it unlikely they would make an exception for Jace.
Vintage is the only format with a restricted list, Everything else is just a banned list. at one point there was restricted list for Standard and stuff but currently policy is to only ban stuff. Legacy use to be just Vintage with everything that was restricted in vintage banned.
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AGO
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posted April 15, 2011 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Banning Jace does nothing, everybody just switches over to the next best deck and Standard continues to be stagnant and boring.
I belive if they did ban Jace there would be a little more diversity then there is now. Jace won't be banned because that would be WOTC admitting to a mistake. Everyone will continue to ride this Jace boner all the way thru till he rotates!
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farsk8dutch
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posted April 15, 2011 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by coolio:
this is flat out incorrect, in the early days of t2, there was a restricted list.want an example? zuran orb was one of the first cards on there. ©
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iccarus
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posted April 15, 2011 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by coolio:
this is flat out incorrect, in the early days of t2, there was a restricted list.want an example? zuran orb was one of the first cards on there. ©
Fine, if you want to get exceedingly technical. Which I know you always do. Besides, I said they've never restricted a card in extended before. T2 was in the statement after that.  My point was more directed at the modern era of T2 anyway. Not an environment that existed over a decade ago. The policies followed by the DCI have changed drastically since the time period you point to, and you know that. They no longer restrict cards outside of Vintage. All other formats either allow cards or ban them. __________________
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daner
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posted April 15, 2011 04:30 PM
Wizards will reprint Jace in m12, lowering it's cost...then more people will play it. On top of that their proposed "problem solving" cards will likly suck donkey testicles. In short....they will emergency ban Jace on a later date when they realized they made two mistakes. Thanks for playing, you've been pwned by teh Wizards!
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