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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
More smarterer was a joke. They are not more smarterer. They are liars.

Its not a theory. Profit is a conspiracy. Capitalism is a conspiracy. They with the money, keep it going. Intentionally. They think its a good idea. They give you a couple dollars and now you think its a good idea too. You don't deserve more than that bum, you don't work any harder or smarter, you just can't get over that.

They control the rate information is leaked. This builds suspense. We buy more cards if we are teased like this. If every women you met teased you in a similar fashion you'd buy a lot more drinks at bars, or shoes at malls.

Because you enjoy the game, you believe they are doing a good job. I also enjoy the game, I appreciate the work they do for us. They don't do it for us though. They do it to stay paid. The ones that love the game, would probably do it for free if that kind of charity supported their families. That gives us faith that our game is in the right hands.

This does really matter. If it didn't, you guys wouldn't attack me. You are resisting change. My ideas don't agree with the status quo.

You are judging me to say WotC is a lot smarter than I am.
It doesn't even make sense to assume that, you just want to believe they are more intelligent because they give you the cards you play with, but since I don't charge you for boosters of my information you resign that my information is worthless.

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Ah, you must be ObamaIsKillingAmerica's second account.

If your posts contained anything worth seriously rebutting, believe me, I would. But when you simply cast vague aspersions without a lick of proof, the only thing left to do is respond with empty fluff in kind.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Ah, you must be ObamaIsKillingAmerica's second account.

If your posts contained anything worth seriously rebutting, believe me, I would. But when you simply cast vague aspersions without a lick of proof, the only thing left to do is respond with empty fluff in kind.

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Speaking of without a lick of proof, who is ObamaIsKillingAmerica?

To post without rebuttal is spam. You add nothing to our discussion.

How do I need to prove anything? I said only truthful things.

Man made money. Man made Magic cards. Money doesn't make men. Magic cards don't make men.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
How do I need to prove anything? I said only truthful things.

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No, you posted opinion. Opinion cannot, by definition, be truth. The fact is, regardless of whether WotC having profit in mind is the only consideration, they would have to be exceedingly stupid to not realize that enjoyment of the players is the only way to ensure that they make money in the future. The fact that Magic is still thriving well over 15 years after it started is pretty much proof positive that they're doing something right.

Just because you don't understand how they do their job and what is coming in the future doesn't mean you know better than them. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Speaking of without a lick of proof, who is ObamaIsKillingAmerica?

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OIKA was a poster who posted often in General Discussion on political topics prior to his banning. The unifying theme of his raving, aggressive, and profoundly delusional posts was conspiracy theories in general - that china is out to destroy the USA, that Osama Bin Laden is not dead, that Obama is... well, you can probably guess. The connection I am drawing between his posts and yours here is the same pathetic mindset of the feeble-brained conspiracy theorist. Yes, keep telling yourself that nobody has any patience with your ramblings because you're challenging the status quo. Occam's razor states that an overwhelming majority of people are more likely to be in a cabal together, than you are to be wrong.

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To post without rebuttal is spam. You add nothing to our discussion.

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To post drivel like you have is worse than spam; it detracts from the discussion by dragging the post off-topic.

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How do I need to prove anything?

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Burden of Proof is on the accuser. It's up to you to prove your assertion.

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I said only truthful things.

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Bull****. You went off on an absurd tangent where you somehow extrapolated the mindset of every employee at Wizards of the Coast (not to mention every producer in a market economy) as craven, manipulative, and greedy. Any thinking person can reject this out of hand simply because mind-reading does not exist.

I have to agree its tough for the titans to keep their value because there will be more of them, people who have them already have them, the only way they go up is if the ones that don't see play now see ALOT of play. Other than that they settle to a more affordable price under $12-15 each.

I'm no speculator on cards anymore, plus the Mythic addition has ruined any gambling i can do on a card that looks like it could be bad or super amazing since even the best rares usually don't hit more than $5.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Speaking of without a lick of proof, who is ObamaIsKillingAmerica?

To post without rebuttal is spam. You add nothing to our discussion.

How do I need to prove anything? I said only truthful things.

Man made money. Man made Magic cards. Money doesn't make men. Magic cards don't make men.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Ah, you must be ObamaIsKillingAmerica's second account.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Speaking of without a lick of proof, who is ObamaIsKillingAmerica?

To post without rebuttal is spam. You add nothing to our discussion.

How do I need to prove anything? I said only truthful things.

Man made money. Man made Magic cards. Money doesn't make men. Magic cards don't make men.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
You're on [insert your preferred illicit drug here].

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Originally posted by joz:
Can we just IP check him? Mods?

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Can't we all just be entitled to our opinion? The topic is Mr.C's brutally honest Magic 2012 Review. What is this? Some kind of elitist club where y'all don't take kindly to new folks 'round hur?

The sky is blue, right? Good we are back in agreement.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:

Can't we all just be entitled to our opinion? The topic is Mr.C's brutally honest Magic 2012 Review. What is this? Some kind of elitist club where y'all don't take kindly to new folks 'round hur?

The sky is blue, right? Good we are back in agreement.

Mr.C brings up a lot of good points. Nothing in this set overly excites me. That being said, I don't think the MSRP should be the same for this set, we should do something about this.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:

What is this? Some kind of elitist club where y'all don't take kindly to new folks 'round hur?

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you obviously don't know who I am. How long have you been here? Keep it up and we'll see how long you get to stay

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Originally posted by Malice327:
@ the elitist club comment... You should have paid more attention to the previous responses to the OP and you'd realize the answer is YES. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, most people come here to get quiet trading done and not participate in public discussion. Why? Because you are more likely to be banned for being annoying than for being a complete dickhead to other members. Some members seem to get their lifes enjoyment from being as asinine as possible. The following quote from one of if not the biggest *******es on the board pretty much sums it up:

[QUOTE] you obviously don't know who I am. How long have you been here? Keep it up and we'll see how long you get to stay

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
What does this have to do with M12 and money?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
about as much as your ramblings about conspiracy theories.

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Well in his defense, he clearly identified how WotC is conspiring against the players by making "bad" core sets with junk rares and un/commons. And by doing this and making us spend money on it, we're just sheep and lining their pockets with money.

But what he neglected to think about was the Limited format (Which is amazing, by far), casual players (OMG SCRAMBLEVERSE FITS PERFECTLY IN MY RANDOMIZE DECK!) who don't like trading and just buy a few packs here and there to supplement their collection, and new players who need something slow to start with. Isn't M12 easier to start with mechanics wise, than say...Scars of Mirrodin?

This is one of the only sets that I have ever just bought 1 box of.

Partialy, it's because it's a core set, and I have most of the cards already. The other half is that I don't see many of the new cards being all that great :S.

If I'm going to drop $100 on a box, I'd like to know that my chances for at least getting a) the cards I need and b) cards that are of a value that allow TRADE for other cards I need, are there. Playing the "Jace Lottery" to pull a Garruk or Chandra just isn't the same...

I would have liked to see your opinion on some of the "sleeper rares" though Mr. C!

Love,

JShields

Honestly, I agree with Mr. C! This set was a real disappointment and for once, I really regret buying the 7 boxes that I typically buy for my store. Most of the rares are indeed bulk that will, if I am lucky, sell from my $1.00 rares & foils boxes, other than the planeswalkers and maybe the solemn simulacrum. I agree that the majority of the mythics will also all likely become bulk $1-$2 cards and this has nothing to do with the fact that all 7 boxes only had 16 mythics total. Wizards obviously does not want to have too many overpowered sets, but this set has been almost as disappointing as opening a box of Fallen Empires or Homelands. I really miss the days of Magic 2010, when at least the set was moderately balanced (outside of Baneslayer Angel retailing for $75.00-$100.00 for some absurd reason)!

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Originally posted by jshields:
Dear Wizards of the Coast: Give me my freaking money back on this lemon of a product you sold me!!!

Love,

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Honestly, I agree with Mr. C! This set was a real disappointment and for once, I really regret buying the 7 boxes that I typically buy for my store. Most of the rares are indeed bulk that will, if I am lucky, sell from my $1.00 rares & foils boxes, other than the planeswalkers and maybe the solemn simulacrum. I agree that the majority of the mythics will also all likely become bulk $1-$2 cards and this has nothing to do with the fact that all 7 boxes only had 16 mythics total. Wizards obviously does not want to have too many overpowered sets, but this set has been almost as disappointing as opening a box of Fallen Empires or Homelands. I really miss the days of Magic 2010, when at least the set was moderately balanced (outside of Baneslayer Angel retailing for $75.00-$100.00 for some absurd reason)!

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Seriously?! No one can ever, EVER come close to bitching about buying a product. Spoilers are released ahead of time, presales are done weeks in advance to so there is market research to determine if it is worth purchasing or not.

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Originally posted by Malice327:
@ the elitist club comment... You should have paid more attention to the previous responses to the OP and you'd realize the answer is YES. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, most people come here to get quiet trading done and not participate in public discussion. Why? Because you are more likely to be banned for being annoying than for being a complete dickhead to other members. Some members seem to get their lifes enjoyment from being as asinine as possible. The following quote from one of if not the biggest *******es on the board pretty much sums it up:

[QUOTE] you obviously don't know who I am. How long have you been here? Keep it up and we'll see how long you get to stay

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I take issue with this because I feel there's a distinction to be made between having a lack of knowledge in an area (for example, not knowing offhand Jap nationals decklists and how well valakut is doing therein), and a lack of critical thinking skills in general. If someone simply isn't aware of a certain fact and makes an uninformed statement, I don't think that's worthy of crucifixion (whereas many people who posted immediately on this thread clearly feel otherwise). Everyone is ignorant about something; and simply because you happen to know a single factoid that someone else doesn't does not make you a superior human being.

On the other hand, a lack of intelligence (here defined as an inability to think critically and evaluate propositions and situations) genuinely grates on me, particularly when the insight offered is a conspiracy theory. Belief in conspiracy theories demonstrates poor analytical skills and a propensity towards narrow-mindedness, and frankly I can't tolerate it because it's tools like conspiracy theorists who elect morons into office, and give wastes of space like Glenn Beck a national audience.

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On-topic,

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Originally posted by stu55:
Seriously?! No one can ever, EVER come close to bitching about buying a product. Spoilers are released ahead of time, presales are done weeks in advance to so there is market research to determine if it is worth purchasing or not.

I don't feel bad for people who A) Try to be a dealer and crack stuff and can't do it right and B) people who preorder products they know nothing about.

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I kind of have to agree with this, to a point. I'm not sure what the time frame is for stores and dealers to place orders for product; if it so happens that the window for such action is prior to most (or any) of a set being spoiled, then you can't really blame a dealer for feeling slighted on the quality of their initial preorders. Obviously complaining about subsequent order placements of the same product would be totally out of line.
Maybe one of the many MOTLers who run card shops can help shed some light on this?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Belief in conspiracy theories demonstrates poor analytical skills and a propensity towards narrow-mindedness, and frankly I can't tolerate it because it's tools like conspiracy theorists who elect morons into office

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Theory
noun, plural -ries.
1.
a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2.
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3.
Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

Analytical
adjective
1.
pertaining to or proceeding by analysis ( opposed to synthetic).
2.
skilled in or habitually using analysis.
3.
(of a language) characterized by a relatively frequent use of function words, auxiliary verbs, and changes in word order to express syntactic relations, rather than of inflected forms. Compare synthetic ( def. 3 ) , polysynthetic ( def. 1 ) .

Tool
noun
1.
an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations.
2.
any instrument of manual operation.
3.
the cutting or machining part of a lathe, planer, drill, or similar machine.

Narrow minded
adjective
1.
having or showing a prejudiced mind, as persons or opinions; biased.
2.
not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.

Moron
noun
1.
a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
2.
Psychology . a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.

We are the world. We communicate. Conspiracy (omg panic?)
Why do you think that people like me vote?

Don't you know the elections are rigged (amirite?)

Obvious troll is obvious dude.

In other news, people are paying for inferior product. We want superior product. We are the only people that can do something about this. I'm not thinking they are an evil corporations (even if they are). I am suggesting that we conspire on what to do about Magic 2013 early.