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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
I found dictionary.com

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Yes, I know what those words mean, that is why I chose them.

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Obvious troll is obvious dude.

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mmm, what a cogent rebuttal.

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In other news, people are paying for inferior product. We want superior product. We are the only people that can do something about this. I'm not thinking they are an evil corporations (even if they are).

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Oh, really?

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
More smarterer was a joke. They are not more smarterer. They are liars.

Its not a theory. Profit is a conspiracy. Capitalism is a conspiracy. They with the money, keep it going. Intentionally. They think its a good idea. They give you a couple dollars and now you think its a good idea too. You don't deserve more than that bum, you don't work any harder or smarter, you just can't get over that.

They control the rate information is leaked. This builds suspense. We buy more cards if we are teased like this. If every women you met teased you in a similar fashion you'd buy a lot more drinks at bars, or shoes at malls.

Because you enjoy the game, you believe they are doing a good job. I also enjoy the game, I appreciate the work they do for us. They don't do it for us though. They do it to stay paid. The ones that love the game, would probably do it for free if that kind of charity supported their families. That gives us faith that our game is in the right hands.

This does really matter. If it didn't, you guys wouldn't attack me. You are resisting change. My ideas don't agree with the status quo.

You are judging me to say WotC is a lot smarter than I am.
It doesn't even make sense to assume that, you just want to believe they are more intelligent because they give you the cards you play with, but since I don't charge you for boosters of my information you resign that my information is worthless.

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If you're going to make bone-headed statements, for god's sake at least have the balls to stand by them. Don't try to pretend they were never made in the first place when they're retrievable from only a page ago.

It's okay, we're brothers. I love you.

Magic is a game.
We play games to have fun.
Fun is good.
Good players, make the game more fun.
Bad cards make the company more money.
Bad players buy bad cards.
When all the players are good, they will play good cards, build good decks, have good fun. They will also buy less bad cards.
When nobody is buying bad sets. WotC will stop wasting their time, our time, making bad sets. More money will go into the design, development, testing, etc and less money will go into fancy packages, promotional posters, etc.
They will improve with us. We will improve with them.
We should give them less money when the set is bad, more money only if the set is better.

Why are you guys arguing with me?
I want less wasting, less profit, more fun.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Now I get it. You also agree with everything I'm saying, you just don't understand any of it.

It's okay, we're brothers. I love you.

Magic is a game.
We play games to have fun.
Fun is good.
Good players, make the game more fun.
Bad cards make the company more money.
Bad players buy bad cards.
When all the players are good, they will play good cards, build good decks, have good fun. They will also buy less bad cards.
When nobody is buying bad sets. WotC will stop wasting their time, our time, making bad sets. More money will go into the design, development, testing, etc and less money will go into fancy packages, promotional posters, etc.
They will improve with us. We will improve with them.
We should give them less money when the set is bad, more money only if the set is better.

Why are you guys arguing with me?
I want less wasting, less profit, more fun.

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Originally posted by Bugger:

On-topic, I kind of have to agree with this, to a point. I'm not sure what the time frame is for stores and dealers to place orders for product; if it so happens that the window for such action is prior to most (or any) of a set being spoiled, then you can't really blame a dealer for feeling slighted on the quality of their initial preorders. Obviously complaining about subsequent order placements of the same product would be totally out of line.
Maybe one of the many MOTLers who run card shops can help shed some light on this?

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It is a week to 2 weeks before you need the product for new sets, however, if it is a bad set for singles, don't crack the product for singles then, just sell the product.

The vault in greensburg is a medium sized store and yet we sold 2-3 cases of individual packs beyond the several cases that were presold.

For the singles, we just cracked a case, and breaking even is fine because it helps the reputation that we have singles the day of releases, therefore when a set is good we will make a ton of profit.

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Originally posted by flophaus:
Dude... I think I speak collectively here when I say: You are a moron!

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Okay, what does that have to do with Magic or Finance?

I'm part of the collective also, so sure, I'll agree with you. We all at times do something we know isn't good. This is stupidity. Sure. I am a moron sometimes. We've all been there.
Dropped something in the toilet?
Ate that burrito, you know the one...
Got clawed by that crazy cat.

Stupid things happen. So do smart things. This is what I want to do here. Think about why we complain about m12 when the company is just doing what its been doing for years. Can we do something about that? Yeah, we can.

We can refuse to buy the set.
They'd be like, "...what the heck, sales dropped."
We'd be like, "Yeah, the set was the whackness."
They'd be like, "Well, wait until the next set, it'll blow your mind."
"Thanks!" We might say. We might then happily splurge on boxes, cases, etc.

Commander decks are tight. Those legacy precons are tight.
I proxied that Plane Chase set thing. Free.
Everyone here likes playing with those, they're fun, but expensive. M12 is meh. That is all I'm saying. We could do better with our money then buying inferior product.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:

Magic is a game.
We play games to have fun.
Fun is good.
Good players, make the game more fun.
Bad cards make the company more money.
Bad players buy bad cards.
When all the players are good, they will play good cards, build good decks, have good fun. They will also buy less bad cards.
When nobody is buying bad sets. WotC will stop wasting their time, our time, making bad sets. More money will go into the design, development, testing, etc and less money will go into fancy packages, promotional posters, etc.

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Wow, I could not disagree with you more!

Magic is played for fun: YES. However other peoples interpretation of what is fun for them, isn't necessarily what is fun for you or me. My friend creating an invader parasite deck doesn't make him a bad player! He challenged himself to see if he could build a casual deck out of that card. You fail to see the different markets that WOTC has to appeal to with the exact same set.

There MUST be terrible rares, uncommons, and commons. The only card that there doesn't need to be terrible ones of are mythics, simply because they don't show up as often. However, if every mythic is a bomb, there should be less rares in a set that are bombs simply due to distribution across a box. If EVERY rare was a bomb, then limited formats would be completely SKEWED. Having a MTG set with 60 bomb money cards would be terrible.

WOTC has to make cards for their staple formats, but also for commander, and multiplayer etc etc. An AMAZING bomb in Commander could very well be TERRIBLE in every other format, which would mean it would be lower in cost, and viewed by players that do not play commander as useless trash. Said players could complain that the card shouldn't have been printed.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Okay, what does that have to do with Magic or Finance?

I'm part of the collective also, so sure, I'll agree with you. We all at times do something we know isn't good. This is stupidity. Sure. I am a moron sometimes. We've all been there.
Dropped something in the toilet?
Ate that burrito, you know the one...
Got clawed by that crazy cat.

Stupid things happen. So do smart things. This is what I want to do here. Think about why we complain about m12 when the company is just doing what its been doing for years. Can we do something about that? Yeah, we can.

We can refuse to buy the set.
They'd be like, "...what the heck, sales dropped."
We'd be like, "Yeah, the set was the whackness."
They'd be like, "Well, wait until the next set, it'll blow your mind."
"Thanks!" We might say. We might then happily splurge on boxes, cases, etc.

Commander decks are tight. Those legacy precons are tight.
I proxied that Plane Chase set thing. Free.
Everyone here likes playing with those, they're fun, but expensive. M12 is meh. That is all I'm saying. We could do better with our money then buying inferior product.

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This reads like something from trollscience.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Okay, what does that have to do with Magic or Finance?

I'm part of the collective also, so sure, I'll agree with you. We all at times do something we know isn't good. This is stupidity. Sure. I am a moron sometimes. We've all been there.
Dropped something in the toilet?
Ate that burrito, you know the one...
Got clawed by that crazy cat.

Stupid things happen. So do smart things. This is what I want to do here. Think about why we complain about m12 when the company is just doing what its been doing for years. Can we do something about that? Yeah, we can.

We can refuse to buy the set.
They'd be like, "...what the heck, sales dropped."
We'd be like, "Yeah, the set was the whackness."
They'd be like, "Well, wait until the next set, it'll blow your mind."
"Thanks!" We might say. We might then happily splurge on boxes, cases, etc.

Commander decks are tight. Those legacy precons are tight.
I proxied that Plane Chase set thing. Free.
Everyone here likes playing with those, they're fun, but expensive. M12 is meh. That is all I'm saying. We could do better with our money then buying inferior product.

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Originally posted by wakeupwithastory:
Bad cards make the company more money.

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And that right there is proof positive that you have no clue what you're babbling about. Insane amounts of boxes being cracked in the past few years were for things like Tarmogoyf, Jace 2.0 and BSA, not bad cards.

I think it's time that we just ignore the troll and hope he goes away.

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Primeval Titan won't drop below $10 simply due to Garruk, Primal Hunter but will probably be around $15 for a long time. Up until now, Primeval Titan was only good with Valakut but now playing a Primeval Titan could mean searching your deck for 2 6/6 creatures with a full powered Garruk in play. I'd expect Garruk to be at least $20.

Chandra's Phoenix is cheap right now at $4 only because people don't know the full potential of Chandra the Firebrand as of yet. I would expect Chandra's Phoenix to be in the $8-10 range with Chandra the Firebrand being around $25.

Solemn Simulacrum was amazing back in Mirrodin block but it was only an artifact creature then but now that it's reprinted as a golem makes it even more awesome with the golem splicers that New Phyrexia has to offer. I'd expect this to hold a $5-6 price tag for a long time.

Grim Lavamancer will drop in price simply due to the foil fire/lightning decks that they are in however, I do believe that this will have no effect on the price of the Torment Grim Lavamancers.

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
Has anybody noticed that the physical quality of M12 is sub-par compared to previous sets? They are flimsier and seem to be made of a cheaper card stock.

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So I'm not the only one that noticed than. I wonder if I can tell the difference in a sleeve. Hmmm...

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And yeah, I did look at M11. I saw what happened to Baneslayer, which was $50, and then it was $15. You're kidding yourself that all these cards will hold value after reprints. Are you going to tell me that Lavamancer is a strong buy at $8 too?

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Originally posted by VividDeathPanda:
I am going to risk being put to the shopping block here to object to that last line of your statement. I don't play red very much at all, like 1 out of 10 decks I make includes red. I also don't have as much magic insight as I would like to have, but I still say an $8 Grim Lavamancer is a good buy. I wouldn't go any higher than that, but think 8 is a comfortable price for him, especially so soon after the release.

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SCG is selling them for $8 right now. It would stand to reason that this is, infact, not a good price to buy them at.

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I think he's underestimating cards which will see play: Sun Titan, Solemn Simalacrum, Phantasmal Image, and Chandra the Firebrand. All of them I'd say are higher than estimated in the review. Also, Timely Reinforcements will see a bunch of play and be the set's $1-2 uncommon.