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Hello all. Since everyone and their mother writes these things, and I don’t always agree with what’s written, here’s my unbiased opinion of Magic 2012.

A few things, before I start. One, when I think prices, I think eBay prices or the lowest retail price available (usually the same; sometimes eBay is higher, go figure). Two, if I say “bulk”, it means that a person will not hesitate to bulk it out to a dealer at .10-.20. Lastly, I am not a pro player, nor a self proclaimed financial writer. I just happen to [think] I know my stuff.

Mythics:

Angelic Destiny – Like Rancor, but not really, since if it gets blown up, it’s gone. Not a lot of enchantment removal in T2, but there is a crap ton of spot removal. Seems like a recipe for disaster. Still, a mythic with good art. $2-$3.

Gideon Jura – Everyone knows he’s decent. However, Rise was a well opened set, there’s a bunch of them around. Figure $7-$10. Even if for some reason he sees no play post
rotation, people seem to like him.

Sun Titan – I like him with the 1U Illusion clone guy. Clone someone early game, chump, whatever, then get back with Titan copying Titan. Seems good. Maybe. Still, only going to be $2-$3. Keep in mind there is a M10 Pre-release promo.

Frost Titan – He is ok, but you need to be playing control. And what are you going to control with? Emo Jace? Not happening. Plus he just got a promo, which is going for $4-$5 on eBay. Figure $3-$5 too.

Emo Jace – For five mana, it better win you the game. Except it doesn’t. $30 for this is insane. Figure $10ish.

Time Reversal – Wow, it’s just like Time Spiral, except it doesn’t untap lands. Or just like Timetwister, except it exiles itself! Bulk.

Bloodlord of Vasgoth – Not Nocturnus. Right now, unplayable bulk. We’ll see when Innistrad comes out, but it looks like it will be a solid quarter.

Grave Titan – Better than Frosty, IMO. But still a reprint, has a promo, etc, and nobody in their right mind would play four. $3-$5.

Sorin Markov – Casual favourite. And that’s it. I’ve seen people saying he can be a finisher in Mono-black, but I think that if you get to 6 mana in mono-black and your opponent has more than 10 life, you’re doing it wrong. $5, because he looks cool.

Chandra, the Firebrand – I actually like the card. Call me nuts, but I like the idea of playing two of her in Legacy burn to kill little stuff while potentially forking a Fireblast here and there. She’s better than Jace, but, eh, I just don’t feel it. $10-$15, though.

Furyborn Hellkite – Ew. Bulk.

Interno Titan – I’d like to say he will be the best one post-rotation, but nobody knows what’s going to come in Innistrad, so saying what I think what will be good post rotation is irrelevant. I like him, though, and while he should say in the $3-$5 range like the other Titans, I will pick him up at $3, no problem. And I hate picking up T2 cards.

Kahmal, Primal Hunter – Or maybe he’s called Garruk . I associate Wurms and beasts with Kahmal, but whatever. He looks like the best of the bunch, and I have a hunch that he will be worth $20ish, maybe a bit more. Who knows, he might even see play.

Primeval Titan – Already took a massive price hit, and will continue to fall all the way down to $5 or so.

Primordial Hydra – See that other terrible Hydra from M10. Bulk.

Rares:

Aegis Angel – Trade these away to angel collectors. Except they don’t exist anymore, because all noobs collect planeswalkers now. Bulk.

Archon of Justice – EDH gold. I bought like 12 of these because they were cheap, and were bould to go up. But it got reprinted. Boo. Bulk

Day of Judgment – Wrath just isn’t what it used to be. Should still be easy to move at $1, though.

Gideon’s Avenger – I guess he can get pretty big i they swing at you with everything, but if they’re doing that, you’re already losing. Bulk.

Grand Abolisher – Don’t believe people saying he will hit seven , or ten bucks. He’s a rare. Rare’s don;t go over $10, unless its busted like SFM. I’m wary of saying he will be good (see Leonin Arbiter), but I tink he will see play, at least in Legacy, which might make him be worth $2.

Honor of the Pure - I remember when Crusade was $5. Ah well. Bulk.

Mesa Enchantress - Ew. Bulk.

Personal Sanctuary – Someone will break this in Legacy. One day. And, oh, makes Hurricane so good! Until then, bulk.

Djinn of Wishes – You want to use this with Crystal Ball and Emrakul. Or Liliana and Emrakul. But not really. Bulk.

Jace’s Archivist – It’s not a Windfall. I guess you could use it in a mono-blue aggro deck, except that doesn’t really exist. And good in EDH (forgot about that) Bulk.

Lord of the Unreal – It’s a Lord. However, it’s not an illusion. Two of them aren’t that good. Still worth around $1, though.

Mind Unbound – Like Thought reflection, but worse. Bulk.

Phantasmal Image – Clone with CMC 2. Love it! I predict that this will be the sleeper card of the set. It can copy a lot of stuff, and it has a very reasonable cost. $1-$2, maybe going up to $5 if it finds a home.

Redirect – Not Misdirection. Bulk.

Sphinx of Uthunn – Good in EDH. Bulk.

Visions of Beyond – Again, good in EDH, but twenty cards in a graveyard is a lot. Maybe splash it in burn for the late game? Seems like it could be fun! Otherwise I think I’d rather have Brainstorm. $5, because I think people are mad, and then it will go down to $2 or less.

Call to the Grave – Another casual card that becomes worthless. Bulk, but maybe $1 to casual players.

Cemetery Reaper- Maybe Zombies become good in Innistrad? Probably not. Bulk, but easy $1-$2 to casual players.

Monomania - Mind shatter saw no play the second time around. This won’t wither. Bulk.

Sutured Ghoul – Will they reprint Hermit Druid? No? Then bulk.

Vengeful Pharaoh – Another nice design. I like this one. I want to use it with Zombie Infestation, and a draw engine. $1-$2 because he is different, and people won’t want to bulk him out. Yet.

Chandra’s Phoenix – Excellent card. A playable phoenix, wow. Seems good in any red deck, can come back late game, too bad it doesn’t go directly into play. Still, better than Grim Lavamancer, i think. Unfortunately, it’s a release promo. So it will top out at $2, maybe $3.

Flameblast Dragon – Bulk.

Goblin Chieftain – If Goblins take off, he will be a solid $2. Otherwise, bulk.

Grim Lavamancer – This is the card that prompted me to write this. Seriously, why is everyone saying to buy in at 7, 8 bucks? There’s a ton of these out there. Plus, if Innistrad is graveyard based, you won’t want to remove cards from your graveyard. He sees play in Legacy, so he won’t go the way of the Shade completely, but he will stabilize at $3, maybe a bit less.

Manabarbs – Cute with Personal Sanctuary. But bulk.

Reverberate – A bulk Fork.

Scrambleverse – Seems like something I want to play in a 5 player EDH game... Bulk.

Warstorm Surge – Ooh, sort of like Where Ancients Tread. Bulk

Arachnus Spinner – Nice design. Unfortunately, the aura doesn’t shut down fatties, which sucks. Therefore, bulk.

Birds of Paradise – I remember paying $10 on these. $1, unfortunately.

Doubling Chant – Not Season, darn it! Casual card. If you are casting it, you are likely winning anyway. Bulk, but casual players will love this at $1-$2.

Dungrove Elder – Gets big, hard to remove. But you can
still chump it all day. Bulk.

Elvish Archdruid – He’s good, but he’s only $1-$2 now, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to change, even with the reprint. Casual players like him. Might be stable at $1, though.

Garruk’s Horde – I’ll be playing him in my casual R/G beast deck. Bulk.

Rites of Flourishing – There’s a billion of these around from all the people playing the Goyf lottery. Bulk.

Skinshifter – Not a Morphling. Repeat. Not. A. Morphling. It seems a lot of people are ignoring the fact you can only use the ability once each turn. I guess he can hit for 4 on turn 3, but is that really that good? He requires a constant mana investment. I don’t like him. $1-$2 while people try and break him, then bulk.

Adaptive Automaton – Instant casual favourite. It will be $1-$2, and I will always be picking them up, just like I am with Caged Sun. When it goes out of print, the price *will* go up.

Druidic Satchel – I like it. I think it will be bulk, but someone may find an application for it. It serves as a deck thinner with library manipulation, or even creates chump blockers in a pinch. Bulk, but with an upside.

Pentavus – Bulk before, bulk now.

Quicksilver Amulet – Le sigh. I have a few of these, and the price just got destroyed. I hope someone breaks it so I can dump mine at $3, but I don’t see it happening. People will still want to live the dream, so it will never be less than $1. And if it is, pick it up.

Solemn Simulacrum – Some writers are saying this is a good buy at 5. LOL. It’s only 5 because of EDH. Before it was like $2 or less. Nobody would touch them. He might see play in T2, but it’s not like Mirrodin was an unpopular set. $2, maybe, maybe $3.

Sundial of the Infinite – Bulk, until someone breaks it in Legacy. Then $3-$4 if.

Throne of Empires – Not Moblization. Bulk.

Wordslayer – It blows up everything! But gonna be bulk, just like it is now. Oops on the equipment-creature thing.

Dragonskull Summit / Drowned Catacomb / Glacial Fortress / Rootbound Crag / Sunpetal Grove – I have these in my binders, but nobody wants them. I think they should be worth at least $1, but they have been reprinted three times. So, bulk.

Uncommons:

Timely Reinforcements – Seems good in control, and maybe even in WW (not that it exists, but whatever). Might fetch a solid quarter.

Turn to Frog – It’s blue spot removal. Don’t forget that. I wouldn’t bulk it out at pennies, though.

Zombie Infestation – Next set may be graveyard themed. Also is cute with Vengeful Pharaoh, especially as a combat trick, now that I think about it. Quarter.

Goblin Grenade – I have fifty of these. Good think it came back as an uncommon, so my old ones will still be worth fifty cents, while this one will be twenty five.

Swiftfoot Boots – Greaves it is not. However, hexproof is just fine when you have Swords. Fifty cents.

Buried Ruins – Don’t bulk it out. May be good in the future.

And there you have it! A set review that is brutally honest, from someone who is not employed by a store, and doesn't have to hype anything up. I’d appreciate any comments, even if they are bad.

 Mr.C

Edited for readability.

[Edited 5 times, lastly by Mr.C on July 16, 2011]

 
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I agree another crap set, but still I plan on picking up a Jace's Archivist and some Boots for EDH.

I also agree that Buried Ruins could have potential maybe.

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Nice job. Agree with most of that.

Not sure Primeval will drop all the way to $5.

 
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brutally honest review of brutally idiotic financial review..

disregard the OP, but offer to buy all of his primeval's @ 5

edit: supposed unbiased review, and yet it's laden with a whole bunch of "I like"s and "I dont like"s and whatnot.. as for solemn.. it used to be a really good card when it was legal in t2 and not worth more than 5? it capped at higher than 5, go do some homework, look at apathyhouse's data for mirrodin, all data.. look around.. oo.. sept 04.

edit 2: not gonna lie, predicting the mass majority of the rares of a set is gonna be around bulk, at some point in the future.. isn't very insightful, it's just inevitable.. so.. uh.. I dont see what's so impressive about this review.. o wait.. I make a prediction.. a fair share of innistrad's rares will be bulk.. after some time after its release.. der..

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
ALL BULK!

There ya go!

Yeah this set is pretty lame but its a core set. What did you expect.

 
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Garruk?


Primeval won't be at $5 for a long time, at least not in standard legal. And I think you underestimate the idiots that will pay whatever StarCity wants to charge for planeswalkers.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
brutally honest review of brutally idiotic financial review..

disregard the OP, but offer to buy all of his primeval's @ 5

edit: supposed unbiased review, and yet it's laden with a whole bunch of "I like"s and "I dont like"s and whatnot.. as for solemn.. it used to be a really good card when it was legal in t2 and not worth more than 5? it capped at higher than 5, go do some homework, look at apathyhouse's data for mirrodin, all data.. look around.. oo.. sept 04.

edit 2: not gonna lie, predicting the mass majority of the rares of a set is gonna be around bulk, at some point in the future.. isn't very insightful, it's just inevitable.. so.. uh.. I dont see what's so impressive about this review.. o wait.. I make a prediction.. a fair share of innistrad's rares will be bulk.. after some time after its release.. der..

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A few things.

Unbiased as in I don't work for a website. No reason to say "OMG buy overpriced stuff!!!". I like stuff and I don't. So?

Primeval is going all the way down. He's only good because of Valakut. Singles are finishing at ~10 on eBay, and he was just reprinted. Do you seriously think he will hold 10+?

Solemn was 5-8 when he was in standard, then fell off a cliff. For more than five years, he was worth less than 3. When EDH picked up, he went up to five. I never said he wasn't good. I said he was $2ish, and damn well he was for more than five years.

As for your second edit, yes, it is, because all these financial reviews basically say that the majority of the set will have some value, when we all know that it will be bulk.

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quote:
Chandra’s Phoenix – Excellent card. A playable phoenix, wow. Seems good in any red deck, can come back late game, too bad it doesn’t trigger on Chandra’s ping nor goes back into play. Still, better than Grim Lavamancer, i think. Unfortunately, it’s a release promo. So it will top out at $2, maybe $3.

Whenever an opponent is dealt damage by a red instant or sorcery spell you control or by a red planeswalker you control, return Chandra's Phoenix from your graveyard to your hand.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by JensK:
Whenever an opponent is dealt damage by a red instant or sorcery spell you control or by a red planeswalker you control, return Chandra's Phoenix from your graveyard to your hand.

Holy crap, I totally missed that. I'll go change it, thanks!

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Fix Gideon's Avenger's formatting.

quote:
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Wordslayer – It blows up everything! Make it a 5/5 with Tezz, equip and swing. But gonna be bulk, just like it is now.

I'm not sure what you mean here. You can't make Slayer a 5/5 and equip it to anything, least of all itself (and attacking as a creature doesn't give him the Worldslaying powers either). You want to make a slayer a 5/5 and then equip another Slayer to it?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Fix Gideon's Avenger's formatting.

I'm not sure what you mean here. You can't make Slayer a 5/5 and equip it to anything, least of all itself (and attacking as a creature doesn't give him the Worldslaying powers either). You want to make a slayer a 5/5 and then equip another Slayer to it?


As far as I know, it doesn't lose abilities, right? So I could equip to a Signal pest or something, and blow up[ the world and be left with a 5/5.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
As far as I know, it doesn't lose abilities, right? So I could equip to a Signal pest or something, and blow up[ the world and be left with a 5/5.


An equipment that becomes a creature can't be equipped/attached to another creature.

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This is a fun set for limited, standard, and some spillover for other formats. As a shop though, this set is a horrible for resale. It's so bad in fact that as a small shop, I didn't even bother with resale and I'm actually going to buy the majority of my wants through MOTL and from competitors to keep in stock. This is actually worse than WWK was upon release.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Primeval is going all the way down. He's only good because of Valakut. Singles are finishing at ~10 on eBay, and he was just reprinted. Do you seriously think he will hold 10+?


yes, they will be coming back up a bit easily, do you pay attention to major tournaments? jap nats is going on right now, and day one stats show valakut is basically a quarter of the field

congratz, you saw the prices during a lull when people havent committed to an completely unknown metagame, remember when jace got banned and everyone thought the sky was falling and thought jace wouldnt survive it above 40-45? well... try finding one at that price range now.. your utter lack of understanding a lot of the factors that play into how prices will fluctuate makes your assessment even more laughable, also, your lack of understanding of how equipment works after becoming animated is also laughable, read up on rules on how interactions work before you make random, and false statements of how things work.

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quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
yes, they will be coming back up a bit easily, do you pay attention to major tournaments? jap nats is going on right now, and day one stats show valakut is basically a quarter of the field

congratz, you saw the prices during a lull when people havent committed to an completely unknown metagame, remember when jace got banned and everyone thought the sky was falling and thought jace wouldnt survive it above 40-45? well... try finding one at that price range now.. your utter lack of understanding a lot of the factors that play into how prices will fluctuate makes your assessment even more laughable, also, your lack of understanding of how equipment works after becoming animated is also laughable, read up on rules on how interactions work before you make random, and false statements of how things work.

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Awesome, so go out and buy a set of Primeval Titans now and then what? I wrote this attempting to guess what things will be three months from now, around Innistrad release. Frost Titan is seeing essentially no play, and he's at what, $3? That's likely where Primeval is going. I should have elaborated, but whatever.

My lack of understanding of how equipment works has no bearing on the fact that Worldslayer will continue to be bulk.

Edit: Also, did you even *read* what you quoted? I said "It is only good because of Valakut". When Valakut is gone, very likely Primeval will cease to be the best Titan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
As far as I know, it doesn't lose abilities, right? So I could equip to a Signal pest or something, and blow up[ the world and be left with a 5/5.


Creatures can't equip themselves to things (see FAQ for Bludgeon Brawl & comp. rules). I mean, you could equip worldslayer to a dork, swing, and then drop tezz, but I mean as far as wonky things to do with 8+ mana that won't actually win you the game goes, I'd have more fun with dropping a Thrun + Angelic Destiny.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
Creatures can't equip themselves to things (see FAQ for Bludgeon Brawl & comp. rules). I mean, you could equip worldslayer to a dork, swing, and then drop tezz, but I mean as far as wonky things to do with 8+ mana that won't actually win you the game goes, I'd have more fun with dropping a Thrun + Angelic Destiny.


That wouldn't work, because it blows up lands too. Ah well. But would be fun.

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Mr. C, please don't do any more reviews.

Like others said before me, i'll buy all of your primevals at $5 ea.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Awesome, so go out and buy a set of Primeval Titans now and then what? I wrote this attempting to guess what things will be three months from now, around Innistrad release. Frost Titan is seeing essentially no play, and he's at what, $3? That's likely where Primeval is going. I should have elaborated, but whatever.

My lack of understanding of how equipment works has no bearing on the fact that Worldslayer will continue to be bulk.

Edit: Also, did you even *read* what you quoted? I said "It is only good because of Valakut". When Valakut is gone, very likely Primeval will cease to be the best Titan.


Then sell/trade them for more. Valakut is relevant again, so people will be looking for Primevals. Even when Valakut rotates, they will still hold value. There are other formats it will be played in, such as Extended and Modern.

Your comments that all the Titans will be cheap is just idiotic. These cards will continue to be played post rotation, we just don't know which ones. The fact that mythics get reprinted doesn't make them cheap, just look at M11.

Your lack of understanding of Magic rules just shows that you aren't qualified to give anyone financial advise on Standard cards. Go ahead and just keep trying to rip off people by paying less than cards are worth and leave discussion of Standard to people who understand and play Magic.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Mr. C, please don't do any more reviews.

Like others said before me, i'll buy all of your primevals at $5 ea.


Ask me in three months or so; I sold all of mine at $15 right after Jace got banned.


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Originally posted by rats60:
Then sell/trade them for more. Valakut is relevant again, so people will be looking for Primevals. Even when Valakut rotates, they will still hold value. There are other formats it will be played in, such as Extended and Modern.

Your comments that all the Titans will be cheap is just idiotic. These cards will continue to be played post rotation, we just don't know which ones. The fact that mythics get reprinted doesn't make them cheap, just look at M11.

Your lack of understanding of Magic rules just shows that you aren't qualified to give anyone financial advise on Standard cards. Go ahead and just keep trying to rip off people by paying less than cards are worth and leave discussion of Standard to people who understand and play Magic.


Hrm, I just checked eBay.

Let's see, Frost Titan is currently sitting @ 13/set or so. Primeval is around 12 each, but due to Valakut. Fair enough, I didn't said that it would instantly become $5. Inferno Titan is going from 12/set to 15/set. Grave Titan, a bunch of auctions @ 20/set. Poor Sun Titan is 12-14/set.

And yeah, I did look at M11. I saw what happened to Baneslayer, which was $50, and then it was $15. You're kidding yourself that all these cards will hold value after reprints. Are you going to tell me that Lavamancer is a strong buy at $8 too?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
ITT: Mr.C's brutally honest Magic 2012 Financial Review receives brutally honest criticism.


At least I'm receiving criticism from people who know more or less what their talking about, which always makes for interesting discussions

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ITT: Mr.C's brutally honest Magic 2012 Financial Review receives brutally honest criticism.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
ITT: Mr.C's brutally honest Magic 2012 Financial Review receives brutally honest criticism.


I dunno, once we got the "in three months part" it seems pretty spot-on. INN might have good lands that fit into a G/X deck that needs a six drop, or it might not.

But yeah, M12 has so little money in it, it's worse to draft than coresets of old like 8E and 9E.

 
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Mr. C if you would kindly be reminded that many members here are flying monkeys with big sticks whose sole goal here is to beat people when they step off the yellow brick road.

I disagree with a bunch of the pricing simply because mythics out of rotation that see lots of casual play tend to retain more of their value. This set is extremely fun but there are so many 50 cent to a dollar rares right off the hop. Things like reprinting the m10 lands AGAIN is beyond aggravating. If they had made them enemy color then I'd have been much happier

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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I dunno, once we got the "in three months part" it seems pretty spot-on. INN might have good lands that fit into a G/X deck that needs a six drop, or it might not.

But yeah, M12 has so little money in it, it's worse to draft than coresets of old like 8E and 9E.


Oh I agree, everyone overestimates the impact a new set will have on a format during the first month or so of its inception in the weeks prior to that set's release. Until the new strategies are discovered the metagame don't shift much at all, and as it would stand in that scenario (no more zendikar), all 5 of the titans are going to be less than 10$.

When I used "honesty" in my post I meant it in the sense that those offering their opinions aren't mincing their language, not that what they say is objectively true.

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I think despite Mr. C kind of getting angry at everyone and rushing to get us an updated value guide, he is probably closer than the rest of the idiots out there. Save a few cards.
 

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