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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
I thought the idea was good until I read the banned list. **** that ****.

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Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
Hypergenesis
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers

Seemed fun until I read some of those. I was going to build Fairies the second this format was a possibility (as I'm sure some others were too).
We'll just have to see where it goes from here.

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Originally posted by stu55:
I thought you people were smart here. So much overreaction, they didn neuter control, they kept Vial in, so what?

Honestly, I don't see Vial being a huge deal in this format. Its not like affinity is around or anything (at least in its old form) Yeah merfolk gets it, but when Zoo is running around, that makes it a lot worse.

The reason they nuked the cards they did was to make a completely new format. The format would have been Zoo, Stoneforge Decks, Faeries and then everyone else.

They want a format where either aggro decks can play or we see completely new stuff, like Tooth and Nail that hasn't seen serious play in years.

99% promise you that shocklands get reprinted in M13

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Pretty much. "oh noes, I can't just pick up a decklist that was already hashed out years ago! Wide-open metagame, whaaaat?!" :head explodes:

Oh, and to any complaining about how Zoo is simply going to be the overwhelming DTB, remember how everyone was absolutely certain that Valakut would immediately dominate standard after the Caw-Blade bannings.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
Yeah that was 15 years ago.
Every old playable card has gone up since then.

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Actually that was 11-12, and duals were like printed 5 years before that. And shocklands were printed how many years ago in sets that were probably more mass produced then A/B/U/R? Modern doesnt use "old" cards it uses MODERN cards hence the name.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:

Seemed fun until I read some of those. I was going to build Fairies the second this format was a possibility (as I'm sure some others were too).
We'll just have to see where it goes from here.

~MM

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Originally posted by stu55:
I thought you people were smart here. So much overreaction, they didn neuter control, they kept Vial in, so what?

Honestly, I don't see Vial being a huge deal in this format. Its not like affinity is around or anything (at least in its old form) Yeah merfolk gets it, but when Zoo is running around, that makes it a lot worse.

The reason they nuked the cards they did was to make a completely new format. The format would have been Zoo, Stoneforge Decks, Faeries and then everyone else.

They want a format where either aggro decks can play or we see completely new stuff, like Tooth and Nail that hasn't seen serious play in years.

99% promise you that shocklands get reprinted in M13

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This times whatever hyperbolic number you want.

Everyone complained that the new Extended was just double standard and for the most part it was. By cutting out the cards they did they've at least allowed the format to have a chance to distinguish itself enough from previous versions of Extended, which is in all likely hood where they are trying to fit Modern into.

Right now people play either Standard, Legacy, or EDH. Obviously there are pockets of Vintage and I'm sure there are some die-hard Extended fans (or even Overextended) but those first three are vastly different in deck construction, card playability, and metagames. A Faeries vs Stoneforge vs Zoo vs Jund vs Hypergenesis metagame for Modern would have been nauseatingly similar to past Standard and Extended seasons and could have turned people off from the beginning.

My only disagreement would be that I would put it at 25% for the Shocklands in M13. If only because they took out the Painlands because their surveys told them new players don't like taking damage and can't conceptualize the benefits yet. That and they would have to eat up 10 rare slots right off the bat.

As as much as you don't like MTG Salvation, the apparent rumor is a return to Ravnica after Innistrad which would allow them to split them among the different sets in the whole block like they did the first time.

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Originally posted by msmike2:
I think there should have been no ban list until the format has had time to realize what cards shouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by msmike2:
Was excited about the format til I saw the Banned List, would have been interesting to see some the the best standard decks of the last 10 years or so, go head to head. was gonna dust off the old affinity deck, but most of it got banned, I ran it in extended until it rotated out and my hardest deck to beat was Zoo, which got Vial now. PT Philly is gonna be 75% Zoo, 20% merfolk, 5% rouge. Wizards needs to learn if there gonna make a new format and actually want people to play it and keep people interested in it, let people play the fun cards. I think there should have been no ban list until the format has had time to realize what cards shouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by rats60:
This is a Pro Tour. 95% of the pros aren't going to net deck. They are going to play test and come up with better decks. Now if this was a Grand Prix, you would have a bunch of people playing those decks.

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What net decks would there even be? There aren't any, except old Ext and Standard decks to start with. You cant just go to SCG and see 2 years worth of Modern decks like you can with standard/legacy. Obviously EVERYONE has to test and build actual decks.

Pros are going to start with things like zoo, 5cc, lark, mythic, jund, build a gauntlet, test, make tweaks, etc. And you will still have a large portion of the field playing the same 3-5 decks, because they're actually the best. The same would be true without the 2 dozen bannings.
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Originally posted by msmike2:
I think there should have been no ban list until the format has had time to realize what cards shouldn't be there.

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lolwut

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Originally posted by msmike2:
I think there should have been no ban list until the format has had time to realize what cards shouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
Everyone complained that the new Extended was just double standard and for the most part it was. By cutting out the cards they did they've at least allowed the format to have a chance to distinguish itself enough from previous versions of Extended, which is in all likely hood where they are trying to fit Modern into.

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Anyway they could sanction an Invasion to Time Spiral Format? That was the best extended format and the one everybody remembers being great.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
As as much as you don't like MTG Salvation, the apparent rumor is a return to Ravnica after Innistrad which would allow them to split them among the different sets in the whole block like they did the first time.

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This would help sell the entire block of sets.

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Originally posted by msmike2:
Was excited about the format til I saw the Banned List, would have been interesting to see some the the best standard decks of the last 10 years or so, go head to head. was gonna dust off the old affinity deck, but most of it got banned, I ran it in extended until it rotated out and my hardest deck to beat was Zoo, which got Vial now. PT Philly is gonna be 75% Zoo, 20% merfolk, 5% rouge. Wizards needs to learn if there gonna make a new format and actually want people to play it and keep people interested in it, let people play the fun cards. I think there should have been no ban list until the format has had time to realize what cards shouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Wait, Black lotus isn't banned?

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Its good in legacy so ban it?

Someone said misstep is format warping because it counters things?

Force of Will has never been banned in a format it has been legal in.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I still don't understand misstep being banned.

Its good in legacy so ban it?

Someone said misstep is format warping because it counters things?

Force of Will has never been banned in a format it has been legal in.

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Originally posted by Mwapo:
They wanted to make sure that decks couldn't beat zoo and fish. Basically, they didn't think the direct port Legacy --> Modern Zoo decks were OP... but why not make them a little better by not having to worry about Misstep?

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