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Topic: Modern Format Official?
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guru-swamp Member
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posted August 05, 2011 07:17 PM
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Rumors of this circulating?link anyone shed light on this?
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airwalk Member
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posted August 05, 2011 07:27 PM
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That's as much as I could find about it, not really official, and I wasn't at Comic Con to hear him say it. A video would be good.
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CubFan81 Member
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posted August 05, 2011 07:57 PM
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Ah, finally found a better one. This one's from WoTC's own page. About half way down. In case you don't want to click through:quote: Originally posted by Article: One such question for Aaron was about the Modern format that was introduced during the Community Cup and whether or not it was going to be coming to sanctioned play anytime soon. Aaron shrugged and went on the record and say that Modern would be a sanctioned format in the very near future—something that sent a ripple through the Magic social network and would have been one of the highlights of the panel if not for the next person to get a bonus gift from the panel.
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djcards Member
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posted August 05, 2011 08:08 PM
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Edit: started typing before the above poster posted... Only speculation, but I was thinking about this the other day and can definatly justify it... If it does happen I'm sure you can expect certain csrd in the new meta to price jump... Any thought on which one s.um, not to hijack the post of course...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by djcards on August 05, 2011]
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MTDetermine Member
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posted August 05, 2011 09:56 PM
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In the last 1-2 years, I have noticed a trend where speculation + subsequent rise in affected cards = Speculation Came TRUE later on. Remember how Zendikar was speculated to be Vampires friendly and M10's Vampire N increased from $2 to $10+? Turned out Zendikar really had Vampires. There are a few other incidents, though I cannot recall them right of my mind. Looking at the past trend, and how Shockland prices had increased, I will say, yes, there will be a Modern Format.
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Bugger Member
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posted August 06, 2011 09:44 AM
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quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: In the last 1-2 years, I have noticed a trend where speculation + subsequent rise in affected cards = Speculation Came TRUE later on. Remember how Zendikar was speculated to be Vampires friendly and M10's Vampire N increased from $2 to $10+? Turned out Zendikar really had Vampires. There are a few other incidents, though I cannot recall them right of my mind. Looking at the past trend, and how Shockland prices had increased, I will say, yes, there will be a Modern Format.
Or you could, y'know, draw the same conclusion from Aaron forsythe flat-out stating that modern will become a format instead of using laughably specious reasoning like "if it is speculated, it is likely to come true". Correlation does not imply causation. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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MTDetermine Member
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posted August 06, 2011 10:09 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Or you could, y'know, draw the same conclusion from Aaron forsythe flat-out stating that modern will become a format instead of using laughably specious reasoning like "if it is speculated, it is likely to come true". Correlation does not imply causation.
I am just sharing my view in response to the threadstarter's query. I welcome you to approach from a constructive angle by giving your view. No need to type up a response simply to poke at my reply. English is not my native language. No surprise if I make some errors when communicating in English.
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-PoX- Member
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posted August 06, 2011 10:51 AM
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Wasn't this announced months ago?
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posted August 06, 2011 10:58 AM
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quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: I am just sharing my view in response to the threadstarter's query. I welcome you to approach from a constructive angle by giving your view. No need to type up a response simply to poke at my reply. English is not my native language. No surprise if I make some errors when communicating in English.
Bugger's point is unrelated to your command of English, which is just fine. Rather, it's the reasoning exhibited in your post that is unsound. The price of singles is not something controlled by WotC, WotC employees, or people 'in the know' about future sets, and so you cannot draw appropriate conclusions about future sets: the price of cards is entirely unrelated to the actual content of future sets, although it is often tied to speculated content. When certain cards increase in price at the same time as rumours involving them abound, that's not because the rumours are true and the cards are somehow trying to tell us. The cards increase in value because of the rumours, which drive players to purchase those cards in anticipation of their increased prices; so, the price of the cards is related to the presence of rumours, but not to their veracity. __________________ "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me." -T.S. EliotRIP Ari Legacy UGB River Rock primer. PM comments/questions. Info on grad school in Phil.
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MTDetermine Member
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posted August 06, 2011 11:11 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen: Bugger's point is unrelated to your command of English, which is just fine. Rather, it's the reasoning exhibited in your post that is unsound. The price of singles is not something controlled by WotC, WotC employees, or people 'in the know' about future sets, and so you cannot draw appropriate conclusions about future sets: the price of cards is entirely unrelated to the actual content of future sets, although it is often tied to speculated content.When certain cards increase in price at the same time as rumours involving them abound, that's not because the rumours are true and the cards are somehow trying to tell us. The cards increase in value because of the rumours, which drive players to purchase those cards in anticipation of their increased prices; so, the price of the cards is related to the presence of rumours, but not to their veracity.
Thanks for the explanation, understand it better now. What I was trying to express is that, for the last 1-2 years, the price appreciation brought about by the rumour mills have often proved to be accurate. For example, in 2009, there were some rumours on Shocklands being in M10, and "Overextended" speculation in 2010. However, both of these rumours were not accompanied by price increases and were found to be false. On the other hand, rumours accompanied by price appreciation often proved to be true. Call me cynical if you want. I believe this is likely due to "insider trading" by people who had access to such news. Afterall, MTG insider trading is unlikely to be illegal (though u may break WOTC ethics guidelines if you are a WOTC employees).
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Bugger Member
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posted August 06, 2011 12:11 PM
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quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: Thanks for the explanation, understand it better now. What I was trying to express is that, for the last 1-2 years, the price appreciation brought about by the rumour mills have often proved to be accurate. For example, in 2009, there were some rumours on Shocklands being in M10, and "Overextended" speculation in 2010. However, both of these rumours were not accompanied by price increases and were found to be false. On the other hand, rumours accompanied by price appreciation often proved to be true. Call me cynical if you want. I believe this is likely due to "insider trading" by people who had access to such news. Afterall, MTG insider trading is unlikely to be illegal (though u may break WOTC ethics guidelines if you are a WOTC employees).
And what you're forgetting is that unlike Modern format, the rumors of overextended a year ago and speculation that the shocklands were in M10 never received a single shred of proof at all. Contrast that with the current price spike that began shortly after Comic Con, wherein Aaron Forsythe explicitly confirmed Modern's impending creation. Your timeline for these events seem to be waaaaay off. And yes, I'll happily and proudly scorn your conspiracy theories, because like all conspiracy theories it is unfounded and incorrect. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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posted August 06, 2011 07:05 PM
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I'm looking forward to this if the rumors are true, but I tend to side with the skeptics rather than speculate they're true.On the bright side, I made a pretty nice profit off the upswing on my spare shocklands __________________ AtriumXP@gmail.com MTGNews ID: AtriumXP ebay ID: atriumxp1977 Check my Have/Want/Sales List! **I send in bubble mailer + top loader + soft sleeve**
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caquaa Member
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posted August 06, 2011 11:39 PM
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quote: Originally posted by -PoX-: Wasn't this announced months ago?
It was announced as a format at the community cup and for the community cup only. Players speculated that it would be a real format down the road. It was confirmed at SDCC that it will be a real format. Guess my biggest concern is what will stay on the banned list and what will be removed. Hypergenesis? Stoneforge?
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wakeupwithastory Member
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posted August 07, 2011 04:21 AM
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On cockatrice, we currently, do play Modern. Lots.Will it become sanctioned just because we play? Will it become sanctioned just because we pay more for shock lands? Do I know? No. I would guess very very likely though.
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CubFan81 Member
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posted August 07, 2011 07:35 AM
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quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Guess my biggest concern is what will stay on the banned list and what will be removed. Hypergenesis? Stoneforge?
Yeah, this will be interesting. I thought I remember reading on the coverage that the Hypergenesis decks were ridiculously good during the cup. The issue there is that everyone's decks may not have been ideal since there was relatively minimal time to brew and test. On the other hand, WoTC (whether fairly or not) gives the impression that they take that kind of playtesting (see: Mystical Tutor) seriously for banning purposes so they may change up that list from the beginning.
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mm1983 Member
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posted August 08, 2011 05:00 AM
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I don't know about Modern format being official yet but if/when it does become official then the current Extended will officially be a dead format.
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MTDetermine Member
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posted August 08, 2011 09:05 AM
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quote: Originally posted by mm1983: I don't know about Modern format being official yet but if/when it does become official then the current Extended will officially be a dead format.
As long as people have the cards, they will play. This just means that people can play MTG all year round. Legacy, Modern, Extended (and T2 if they play T2).
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Kryne Member
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posted August 11, 2011 09:15 PM
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Holy crap, the official banned list was released for Pro tour Philly, which has been changed to modern. Apparently they don't like having good cards played. I'm surprised bob made it through. ban list
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posted August 11, 2011 09:18 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kryne: Holy crap, the official banned list was released for Pro tour Philly, which has been changed to modern. Apparently they don't like having good cards played. I'm surprised bob made it through. ban list
Also not banned: AEther Vial, Ravager, Disciple and Darksteel Citadel.
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posted August 11, 2011 09:27 PM
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Yes, WoTC comes one step closer to making another eternal format as slow as standard.Why don't they reprint FoW already? They won't shut up about how important it is for Legacy all the while banning every fast deck anyway just like they did now for modern. Just give people their FoWs and let them play crazy unstable fast decks : D
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wayne Member
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posted August 11, 2011 09:28 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kryne: Holy crap, the official banned list was released for Pro tour Philly, which has been changed to modern. Apparently they don't like having good cards played. I'm surprised bob made it through. ban list
Looks like Modern is now official
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posted August 11, 2011 09:34 PM
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I'm surprised they didn't ban Vial, Ravager, Goyf, and Confidant. Yet.
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posted August 11, 2011 09:37 PM
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I love the banned cards "they think would warp the format". Ancestral visions? Valakut? Could we have just waited 3 months and just saw what happended? I don't like the number of banned cards to exceed the number of legal sets in a format.Wizards did not make a smart choice.
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posted August 11, 2011 09:48 PM
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The card that I'm most surprised that they didn't ban was Aether Vial. This card will make Zoo and Merfolk the premier aggro decks in the format.
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posted August 11, 2011 10:02 PM
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quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: The card that I'm most surprised that they didn't ban was Aether Vial. This card will make Zoo and Merfolk the premier aggro decks in the format.
From reading that article on WOTC, it seems they want to neuter control/combo and have aggro dominate.
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