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Topic: Planeswalker Points replacing DCI rating system
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AlmostGrown
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posted September 06, 2011 05:21 PM
         
Aww I'm only level 36
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Havoc Demon
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posted September 06, 2011 08:39 PM
Name is dumb but its a little less complicated than a pile of four digit numbers at least.I'm guessing this eliminates people making multiple DCI numbers just to protect their rating. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Havoc Demon on September 06, 2011]
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Heresy19
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posted September 06, 2011 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Aww I'm only level 36
I've been playing since 1994 and I'm only level 31 lol (dosen't help that I don't play at FNMs haha)
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Thanos
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posted September 06, 2011 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Heresy19:
I've been playing since 1994 and I'm only level 31 lol (dosen't help that I don't play at FNMs haha)
Same here but since 96.
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whocares
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posted September 07, 2011 12:22 AM
damn! only level 14...my old 6 digit dci number is no longer listed.
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yukizora
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posted September 07, 2011 04:43 AM
Well, if there was something like SCG opens in Europe, why not.
Now only the PT players in Europe will get to the top...
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MagixDK
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posted September 07, 2011 04:48 AM
winning no longer matters.
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Devonin
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posted September 07, 2011 07:57 AM
Winning doesn't matter?You go to a GP, you go 0-8, you get 1 participation point times the multiplier of x8 for GPs, you get 8 points. You got to a GP, you go 8-0, you get 1 participation point, 3 points per match win (24 points) and then it is multiplied by x8, you get 192 points. Yup, winning doesn't matter at all.
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CubFan81
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posted September 07, 2011 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by MagixDK:
winning no longer matters.
I'm pretty sure it still does. In fact, its the only thing that does. I think a more appropriate way to look at it is that losing no longer matters. You still get more points for winning, and you get more points for winning harder tournaments (FNM vs PTQ vs GP vs PT). Remember, your Level has almost nothing to do with anything except to give some people a goal to look forward to. Invites and Byes will be based on your Competitive points earned. My only suggestion on how the system could have been a bit better is to allow the loss of 1 point for a loss. As it is, if a match ends in a draw both players earn 1 point each adding 2 points total to the system. If a player wins then he gets 3 and the other gets none, adding a total of 3 points to the system. If the loser lost a point then the net total to the system would still be 2. In that sense, the pros could still go to FNM and as long as they went 1-3 or better they wouldn't lose anything. It would still give you an incentive to win and the penalty for losing wouldn't be quite as harsh as one loss won't completely bomb your "rating" no matter who you lost to. __________________
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scrum
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posted September 07, 2011 08:21 AM
Hmm interesting system.
My big question is that WILL IT BE ON MAGIC ONLINE??
ALSO HOW DO I FIND WAT DCI NUMBER IS LINKE TO MY ACCOUNT?
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Montague
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posted September 07, 2011 08:43 AM
This new system punishes people with families and careers.
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choco man
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posted September 07, 2011 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Montague:
This new system punishes people with families and careers.
Pretty much. It also unduely rewards players who constantly play and win against poor competition. Since beating 50 scrubs is just as good as beating 50 pros. I think the SCG opens just got even more important. SCG opens have a ridiculous bye system for grinders.
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MagixDK
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posted September 07, 2011 10:40 AM
im not sure you can grant byes to sanctioned tournaments, aside from Grand Prix.
Also i completly agree w. the comment about punishing ppl w. families and careers. -Im in that category. Seems like im losing my byes
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WeedIan
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posted September 07, 2011 10:49 AM
The system was flawed, there are people who had 2000+ ratings who would play in 1 draft or fnm a year and be Q'd for nats on rating who don't even play the game anymore.You don't make money of people who don't play the game and when your best players don't play the game it doesn't help. __________________
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iccarus
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posted September 07, 2011 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by choco man:
Pretty much. It also unduely rewards players who constantly play and win against poor competition. Since beating 50 scrubs is just as good as beating 50 pros. I think the SCG opens just got even more important. SCG opens have a ridiculous bye system for grinders.
SCG events are still only worth as much as an FNM in terms of points. It's still good for getting points, but you'll do better by making T8 of a PTQ or day 2 of a GP than you will winning a SCG event. I agree the new system punishes people with families and careers. However, how many of those are actually actively looking to be on the Pro Tour? __________________
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yukizora
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posted September 07, 2011 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
The system was flawed, there are people who had 2000+ ratings who would play in 1 draft or fnm a year and be Q'd for nats on rating who don't even play the game anymore.You don't make money of people who don't play the game and when your best players don't play the game it doesn't help.
If they actually cared about that, and not money, they'd have the elo reset each season.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by yukizora on September 07, 2011]
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WeedIan
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posted September 07, 2011 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by yukizora:
If they actually cared about that, and not money, they'd have the elo reset each season.
The elo? Your competitive points do reset each season. __________________
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yukizora
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posted September 07, 2011 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
The elo?Your competitive points do reset each season.
i.e they wouldn't have used this system if they cared about people being good at the game, and kept the ELO system, while reseting the ratings after each season to let new challengers appear.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by yukizora on September 07, 2011]
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sammyt125
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posted September 07, 2011 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by choco man:
Pretty much. It also unduely rewards players who constantly play and win against poor competition. Since beating 50 scrubs is just as good as beating 50 pros. I think the SCG opens just got even more important. SCG opens have a ridiculous bye system for grinders.
The SCG opens don't have a bye system anymore and are actually eliminating most of the perks for the higher level players. The changes SCG made will probably demolish the desire for anyone to bother grinding the open series anymore despite the positive changes WotC made.
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CubFan81
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posted September 07, 2011 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
The elo?Your competitive points do reset each season.
ELO is the name for the type of system that they were using before. It came from the system that's used in competitive chess. __________________
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harbingerofthevoid
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posted September 07, 2011 12:24 PM
I think they should at least bring back player rewards and mail them out each time you reach a new level (as in prodigy, apprentice, etc). And, since the casual points are so low, allow sanctioning of casual events by non-brick and mortar stores.The points are only given out for groups of 8+ so it's not like a 4 player kitchen table all-nighter is going rack up anything. Oh, and I would like them to change level 29 to Orzhov Guildmage. __________________
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MeddlingMage
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posted September 07, 2011 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
I think they should at least bring back player rewards and mail them out each time you reach a new level (as in prodigy, apprentice, etc).
This! I only recently started playing competitively again. I played before the rewards, and started after the rewards :/ ~MM __________________
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MagixDK
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posted September 07, 2011 02:28 PM
if they do, they should ship different cards to people according to their level, and a number of cards according to how many tournaments that player played.-Much like on magic online. now that would make sense. then all the playing youve previously done, to attain rating and support the game, is not lost.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by MagixDK on September 07, 2011]
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Harmless
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posted September 07, 2011 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Devonin:
Winning doesn't matter?You go to a GP, you go 0-8, you get 1 participation point times the multiplier of x8 for GPs, you get 8 points. You got to a GP, you go 8-0, you get 1 participation point, 3 points per match win (24 points) and then it is multiplied by x8, you get 192 points. Yup, winning doesn't matter at all.
You'd only get 1 base participation point for a GP if there were 8-15 players, which somehow I find unlikely. If there are more than 2,048 players, you'd actually get 72 participation points.
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choco man
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posted September 07, 2011 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by sammyt125:
[B]The SCG opens don't have a bye system anymore and are actually eliminating most of the perks for the higher level players. [B]
This very recent? The byes were insane, 2 byes in a PTQ-type event meant seeing the same people week in week out top 8. Not to mention, players scooping each other into points.
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