I don't currently have a list, and usually the trade (using their price guide of choice) is in their favor because I'm overvaluing Jace by like $5-10 according to eBay completed.

Invariably, they ask if I have a list. No. Not right now. I'm not really interested in dickering, I'm offering you cards you said you want worth MORE than what you are trading. Apparently they don't actually want their want list. (This really bugs me.)

I feel like I've been wasting my time. Out of six offers I've only made one trade, and I think that one only came about because I posted it in the forum and people said they wanted the other side instead of Jace because of values (had multiple DCI foils).

i tried to trade up with my $51 worth of small cards, based off scg pricing because what else would i use to price small cards, towards a $50 jace

they didn't like it

i've made 6 trade offers towards jaces and no one responded to counteroffer, because i don't have a list b/c too lazy

whine

did i miss anything

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
I've run into something lately that's been bothering me. I've been trying to get Jace the Mind Sculptors on here, so I find a person who has one, look at their list, and offer $50+ in trade directly from their high wants.

I don't currently have a list, and usually the trade (using their price guide of choice) is in their favor because I'm overvaluing Jace by like $5-10 according to eBay completed.

Invariably, they ask if I have a list. No. Not right now. I'm not really interested in dickering, I'm offering you cards you said you want worth MORE than what you are trading. Apparently they don't actually want their want list. (This really bugs me.)

I feel like I've been wasting my time. Out of six offers I've only made one trade, and I think that one only came about because I posted it in the forum and people said they wanted the other side instead of Jace because of values (had multiple DCI foils).

I'm almost tempted to make a list again. (Sigh)

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
This is SCG pricing

Your:
Jace the Mind Sculptor 49.99 M/nm 50
Torpor Orb 0.75
subtotal 51 ish

MY:
Capsize (FNM) 19.99 (out of stock) 20
Personal Tutor M/Nm 15.99 16
2 sleight of hand portal 2nd age 2.99 ea (6.00)
future sight (ons) 4.00
patron wizard ody 5.99 (6)

subtotal = 52 ish

Future sight and Patron Wizard has been played in a sleeve. Personally would still put them at NM. [SP] tag drops the value on each by 0.30-0.50 according to SCG, so it's still fair.

If interested, let me know with a PM, thanks!

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
I've run into something lately that's been bothering me. I've been trying to get Jace the Mind Sculptors on here, so I find a person who has one, look at their list, and offer $50+ in trade directly from their high wants.

I don't currently have a list, and usually the trade (using their price guide of choice) is in their favor because I'm overvaluing Jace by like $5-10 according to eBay completed.

Invariably, they ask if I have a list. No. Not right now. I'm not really interested in dickering, I'm offering you cards you said you want worth MORE than what you are trading. Apparently they don't actually want their want list. (This really bugs me.)

I feel like I've been wasting my time. Out of six offers I've only made one trade, and I think that one only came about because I posted it in the forum and people said they wanted the other side instead of Jace because of values (had multiple DCI foils).

I'm almost tempted to make a list again. (Sigh)

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Originally posted by stacker:
how i read the above post:

i tried to trade up with my $51 worth of small cards, based off scg pricing because what else would i use to price small cards, towards a $50 jace

they didn't like it

i've made 6 trade offers towards jaces and no one responded to counteroffer, because i don't have a list b/c too lazy

whine

did i miss anything

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Originally posted by caquaa:
lol:

and you wonder why people turn this crap down?

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Originally posted by rats60:
Do you mean 2 dollar rares, a $5 uncommon, 2 portal commons and a card I got for free at FNM doesn't equal a Jace TMS?

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Originally posted by sammyt125:
It isn't fair to say that about an FNM Capsize, it is 8 or 9 years old. FNM Swords to Plowshares were given out for free, too.

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Originally posted by choco man:
I posted it in the last "post for mtg discussion thread #64".

Essentially, he said that:
"This is a strange time in legacy. I can see delver and him getting the axe in Legacy soon. Anyways, I only play SCM in my casual deck. So I'll have to think about it."

A week later, he posted that instead of 3 SCM, he wants 2 SCM and 1 Liliana otV just in case SCM gets banned in Legacy and Modern.

Anyways, here's matt42's pathetic list and pts system: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/240980.html

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Thanks for the heads up. I've been trying to trade for his poor Tundra and he keeps valuing it at EX in negotiations. On top of that, he wants an extra $13 in value because "he doesn't need my Trop." Latest response from him:

It's in my favor. I'd offer something a bit more even if I needed the Trop to play, but since I'm not, I'm only really looking to trade the Tundra for value (pref around $10). Sorry, I should've been a bit more explicit about this. Hopefully I can make up for 1st class+insurance, too, but not vital (and I don't mind receiving regular mail). Here are the values I'm seeing:

Tundra 70
+5ish (something on my list)
75 (ish)

for:
Trop 65
Em 8
Pact 15
88

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Originally posted by totalkaoz:
Thanks for the heads up. I've been trying to trade for his poor Tundra and he keeps valuing it at EX in negotiations. On top of that, he wants an extra $13 in value because "he doesn't need my Trop." Latest response from him:

It's in my favor. I'd offer something a bit more even if I needed the Trop to play, but since I'm not, I'm only really looking to trade the Tundra for value (pref around $10). Sorry, I should've been a bit more explicit about this. Hopefully I can make up for 1st class+insurance, too, but not vital (and I don't mind receiving regular mail). Here are the values I'm seeing:

Tundra 70
+5ish (something on my list)
75 (ish)

for:
Trop 65
Em 8
Pact 15
88

Thanks for the email, and hope this works for you,
-Matt

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Originally posted by stu55:
The worst is people who post on a sales list and when you pull the cards for them, they never reply...

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Argh...

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Originally posted by caquaa:
lol:

and you wonder why people turn this crap down?

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Originally posted by Demilio:
I think people are too crazy w the philosophy of trading up/down. I don't know how relevant it is with a $20 card. Can you really complain about trading it down for a $10 card and two $7 cards. :/

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It's sorta ironic that Jtrade and then you, post on this thread. Because, really, you both can be described as "ppl that aren't worth dealing with."

When a 2X card is split for two X cards. There really isn't an issue. But that is not the point, since that isn't what trading down is. Trading down is more like Jtrade's offer on your Jace TMS. Or you asking me to split a Show and Tell for your standard junk.

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Originally posted by Demilio:
I think people are too crazy w the philosophy of trading up/down. I don't know how relevant it is with a $20 card. Can you really complain about trading it down for a $10 card and two $7 cards. :/

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Originally posted by Demilio:
I think people are too crazy w the philosophy of trading up/down. I don't know how relevant it is with a $20 card. Can you really complain about trading it down for a $10 card and two $7 cards. :/

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yes, because in general, there's a tier at which point the cards are just overall harder to acquire, even from a buyside perspective. we prob have to pay 12-14 for a $20 card, whereas, it'll be like 4-5 for the $10 card, and 2-3 or so for the $7 cards.. and this discrepancy grows even more for a card @ the 25$ point.. and so on.... the margin grows ever small for larger cards, and it's honestly just not worth the effort to trade down for (from my perspective) loss.

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Originally posted by coolio:
yes, because in general, there's a tier at which point the cards are just overall harder to acquire, even from a buyside perspective. we prob have to pay 12-14 for a $20 card, whereas, it'll be like 4-5 for the $10 card, and 2-3 or so for the $7 cards.. and this discrepancy grows even more for a card @ the 25$ point.. and so on.... the margin grows ever small for larger cards, and it's honestly just not worth the effort to trade down for (from my perspective) loss.

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Originally posted by choco man:
It's sorta ironic that Jtrade and then you, post on this thread. Because, really, you both can be described as "ppl that aren't worth dealing with."

When a 2X card is split for two X cards. There really isn't an issue. But that is not the point, since that isn't what trading down is. Trading down is more like Jtrade's offer on your Jace TMS. Or you asking me to split a Show and Tell for your standard junk.

If you don't get why ppl don't like trading down, then accept Jtrade's offer. He's even using your preferred price guide (SCG).

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Originally posted by Demilio:
Mods please feel free to close this before it ends in a flame fest

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I love.how you think you have that kind of say around here after 4 months.

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Originally posted by Demilio:
I think a thread like this shouldn't exist because it does nothing good. Mods please feel free to close this before it ends in a flame fest.

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quite the contrary, i know for a fact, ridiculing the twits on their absurd trade postings has had a positive effect on the site.

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Originally posted by Demilio:
You're entitled to your opinion Chico but I've been on this site since sept and have made about 50 deals so far without even trying too hard. The offer you made to me was terrible, I said no thanks so be a man get over it and move on. I think a thread like this shouldn't exist because it does nothing good. Mods please feel free to close this before it ends in a flame fest.

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My offer was pretty straightforward and good.

Your counter-offer was crap. You wanted my Show and Tell and Sinkhole for your standard cards. And you also happened to price your side by +$6 using SCG, which despite being your guide of choice, you don't even use for your counter-offers.

If you want to "man-up," post my original offer on here and also include your counter-offer. Also be a man about how "trading-down" isn't such a big issue and accept Jtrade's ridic offer for your Jace TMS.