Where does one get off doing that? Who the HELL do you think you are? I might not have the references as let's say Slinga, or some of the other bigger sellers on MOTL but seriously? This is coming from a guy who just became a member on December 5th! He had 0 refs when his first offer came in.

I wont say his name, although you coul deasily check my sales list and figure it out.

Still, I can't technically BTA him because no address was ever exchanged but this is just a low down move. I'm am pulling the deal off the table from him, and will refuse him any service in the future.

It is member like these that I believe need to stop coming to MOTL. Please don't encourage this kind of behavior from others, but I know most of the smarter members wont be pushed around either.

To many using SCG, to many expecting to trade large amount of fifty cent to a dollar cards for 15$+ cards.

I miss the old days, when you actually got fair offers, or at least offers where counter offering was a option, most offers I get now, I just pass and don't look back as they are usually that unfair, or plain just not worth it.

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Originally posted by Undomian:
The same works in reverse, though, I suppose. I'm currently involved in a trade with a member with a significantly higher number of refs than myself, and although we had originally agreed to a simulsend, he waited until I emailed him about my cards to tell me that he had waited for my half of the trade to arrive before sending his out. That's just as scummy as some of the crap people go around proposing in trade threads these days.

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I'm pretty sure that you could actually BTA over that if you really wanted to. I understand being late sending in a trade when things come up, it's happened to me before. But that's just being a jerk.

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Originally posted by Undomian:
People just don't seem to know the definition of trading up anymore, it seems. Even if I do make that sort of trade offer, I try to put it about 20% in the person's favor, just because I need those cards and recognize their relative value.

The same works in reverse, though, I suppose. I'm currently involved in a trade with a member with a significantly higher number of refs than myself, and although we had originally agreed to a simulsend, he waited until I emailed him about my cards to tell me that he had waited for my half of the trade to arrive before sending his out. That's just as scummy as some of the crap people go around proposing in trade threads these days.

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Yea, that's BTA worthy, basically breaking contract...very poor trading practice.

I regularly find myself frustrated by people posting to my sales lists for any number of reasons.

As was already said, I'd say 25% of the people that post to my sales list where they are clearly buying something (such as, "I can take X and X, email me the total") never bother to respond to my emails after I email them. They flat out ignore the email completely. It very much makes me wonder why they are wasting their time posting in the first place.

I also regularly spend a LOT of time digging through boxes and binders to find large lots of cards for EDH buyers after we've got a confirmed deal, only to be told later "I actually already picked up X, X and X locally, so I don't need those any more." It's particularly frustrating when you've spent a half hour digging for lower priced stuff just to be told that you've basically completely wasted your time.

And then as you said, one of the most frustrating is when you have a confirmed deal but addresses / paypal info might not have been exchanged yet, and THEN they try and haggle. Something along the lines of them posting to my sale list with "I'll take X and X", I'll email them back with "great, here's my paypal info and thanks", and then I'll get a response of "can you do $Xx.xx for them?" It's like.... seriously man? If you wanted to haggle, the time to do that would have been when you initially posted to my list with something along the lines of "I can take X and X for $Xx."

No offense to all of you of course, but I've found through my years of buying/selling/trading/playing MTG that there are a lot of pretty crappy individuals that seem to love this game. Lots of immaturity (and I don't mean just the kiddies), thieves, scammers, cheaters, and just all around inconsiderate young guys who think they are much, much cooler than they are. The mentality of most MTG gamers alone is what basically caused me to stop playing all together and just collect/buy/sell/trade instead.

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Originally posted by Undomian:
People just don't seem to know the definition of trading up anymore, it seems. Even if I do make that sort of trade offer, I try to put it about 20% in the person's favor, just because I need those cards and recognize their relative value.

The same works in reverse, though, I suppose. I'm currently involved in a trade with a member with a significantly higher number of refs than myself, and although we had originally agreed to a simulsend, he waited until I emailed him about my cards to tell me that he had waited for my half of the trade to arrive before sending his out. That's just as scummy as some of the crap people go around proposing in trade threads these days.

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That is absolutely BTAable. I would suggest you do so.

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my last message to him:
Think I'll just pass on everything, doesn't seem worth while.

Kher Keep $0.20 -->$0.25?

Literal nickel-and-diming. I just had to laugh. Also getting tired of seeing the :

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Originally posted by PortlisX:
the most frustrating is when you have a confirmed deal but addresses / paypal info might not have been exchanged yet

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You do realize that this is literally impossible, right? If address/paypal info hasn't been exchanged, by definition you do not have a confirmed trade.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I offered to sell at his stated buy prices, then he messages me asking me to lower the price.

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If someone does this, let me know. If they're not abiding by their own prices, then they shouldn't have posted them.

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You do realize that this is literally impossible, right? If address/paypal info hasn't been exchanged, by definition you do not have a confirmed trade.

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Originally posted by OGB:
I think I reached this point when I saw someone posting on a buylist and came across this:

Kher Keep $0.20 -->$0.25?

Literal nickel-and-diming. I just had to laugh.

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If someone is buying a large number of low-value cards, it makes a difference. Digging through a box to find specific cards is very time consuming, and the cards should baseline at a price that represents that.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
If someone does this, let me know. If they're not abiding by their own prices, then they shouldn't have posted them.

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kuyagelo did this to me with almost every card that I offered to sell him on his buylist. On the foil Phantasmal Images that he wanted to buy. $19->$17->$15, but it wasn't like anyone was selling to him and he was getting excess offers.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
You do realize that this is literally impossible, right? If address/paypal info hasn't been exchanged, by definition you do not have a confirmed trade.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure you know what I meant. The reason I phrased it that way was specifically so that it was known the other party wasn't technically doing anything against the rules, but was going about their business in an extremely irritating manner to deal with.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
You should post names. The anonymity of the Internet has made forums just an absolute **** load of crap. It's not like it's their real name anyway.

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Well I wasn't going to post his name but it sems like others have had similar problems with this member...

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Originally posted by choco man:
I also pass on BTA'ing members who are supposed to send first, but their cards are "lost" in the mail. I figured that I didn't get ripped on cards, but just wasted time on those jokers.

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And you wonder why this still goes on and on with the same members. If you don't post them, other people won't know to avoid dealing with them. There's no record of past happenings for us Mods to go by. I would post every single person that broke MOTL rules during a trade with me on the BTA. Every one.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by slurpee:
This is one of my pet peeves. Nothing ticks me off more then spending an hour pulling cards only for them to say I only need a couple of those now or they don't want them at all. I have my own list of people I don't respond back to when they post of my list because I am not going to spend even a minute wasting my time on them again after they have done this more then once to me.

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Well, I can be privy to doing this on occasion, so I apologize if I have ever done this to you or any other MOTL member, especially with my constantly changing want list.
I offer for cards on here on Friday before I go, and happen to pick up one or two cards at FNM.
I apologize, because I remember when my collection was large, and searching through cards was time consuming.

Mea culpa.

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Originally posted by choco man:
kuyagelo did this to me with almost every card that I offered to sell him on his buylist. On the foil Phantasmal Images that he wanted to buy. $19->$17->$15, but it wasn't like anyone was selling to him and he was getting excess offers

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Originally posted by caquaa:
kuyagelo is just trying to flip profit on here and its pretty obvious. I offered to sell at his stated buy prices, then he messages me asking me to lower the price. I've also watched his buy prices consistently go lower and lower.

my last message to him:
Think I'll just pass on everything, doesn't seem worth while.

He made what was worth the effort and time into something where he was nickle and dime-ing everything. Hopefully he either learns or goes away, I don't really care which.

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