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xxxcryoserumxxx Member	posted April 02, 2012 10:03 AM At my local tournaments me and some of my friends where discussing snapcaster mage. One of them had said they couldn't believe wotc would produce a card more powerful then dark confidant. I was wondering who else feels that way, and why it may be seen as more powerful. In that same thought, do you think snapcaster will rise in prices as high as dark confidant.
coasterdude84 Member	posted April 02, 2012 01:12 PM I don't believe it to be more powerful than Bob, but long term, it could have a greater impact, simply because of what color it is. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were roughly the same value in the future.
stu55 Member	posted April 02, 2012 05:27 PM Haven't they printed a bunch of cards more powerful than confidant?
djcards Member	posted April 02, 2012 07:49 PM Such as?
stu55 Member	posted April 02, 2012 08:05 PM quote: Originally posted by djcards: Such as? Really? Tarmogoyf, Jace, and Stoneforge Mystic for starters
caquaa Member	posted April 02, 2012 11:26 PM quote: Originally posted by djcards: Such as? anything that does something right away. A huge downside to bob is that they die. Yes, this is a weak argument for creatures, "goyf dies to terror so its bad," that isn't really a valid argument. The reason this works for bob vs snapcaster is that if bob dies before your next turn, you gain no value; if snapcaster dies before your next turn, you already have the value from the flashback. Same holds true for stoneforge. Bob is good, but is a little worse then stoneforge and snapcaster imo.
simbayu Member	posted April 02, 2012 11:32 PM quote: Originally posted by xxxcryoserumxxx: At my local tournaments me and some of my friends where discussing snapcaster mage. One of them had said they couldn't believe wotc would produce a card more powerful then dark confidant. I was wondering who else feels that way, and why it may be seen as more powerful. In that same thought, do you think snapcaster will rise in prices as high as dark confidant. Snap is seen as more powerful because it has an immediate effect where bob just dies a lot. If they both live a couple turns Bob is WAY more powerful.
mm1983 Member	posted April 03, 2012 03:43 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: anything that does something right away. A huge downside to bob is that they die. Yes, this is a weak argument for creatures, "goyf dies to terror so its bad," that isn't really a valid argument. The reason this works for bob vs snapcaster is that if bob dies before your next turn, you gain no value; if snapcaster dies before your next turn, you already have the value from the flashback. Same holds true for stoneforge. Bob is good, but is a little worse then stoneforge and snapcaster imo. This is true for all 3. Given the time to get older for Snapcaster or if Stoneforge ever gets unbanned both of these cards could someday be worth more than Bob assuming Bob ever drops down below $20 again. Stoneforge right before it was banned was a $20-25 card.
caquaa Member	posted April 03, 2012 04:22 AM stoneforge has been creeping up ever so slightly as well. Give it time. I hoard snapcasters locally at least. I tend to sell when I need cash, so its hard to hold onto them and wait for them to go up.
GenghisTom Member	posted April 03, 2012 12:01 PM Are we just comparing guys with 2 CMC? 'Thing about stoneforge and snapcaster are you kinda have to build around them a bit. Bob just goes in anything with black, which is likely why he's more valuable
Goaswerfraiejen Member	posted April 03, 2012 12:56 PM Well, they're all part of the 1X Awesome Creature Cycle. There's no question that SCM is good, but I think Confidant is better overall at present. What SCM has going for it, however, is that it will get better over time, as more cards are printed (or if Mental Misstep ever gets unbanned in Legacy). It took Confidant what, almost ten years to get as expensive as it currently is? SCM has a long way to go before it gets there; its advantage, currently, is that a card that's easy to abuse might get printed in the near future. I doubt it'll hit 40 any time soon, however. __________________ "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me." -T.S. Eliot RIP Ari Legacy UGB River Rock primer. PM comments/questions. Info on grad school in Phil.
ryan2754 Member	posted April 03, 2012 04:29 PM quote: Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen: Well, they're all part of the 1X Awesome Creature Cycle. Blue has Snapcaster White has Stoneforge Green has Goyf/Scavenging Ooze Black has Confidant Red has ??? Tell you what though, 2 CMC has a ton of good creatures from throughout the ages. __________________ -Schmitty T-94th in Refs [265] on MOTL (tied with bmadsen) T-3rd in Refs [265] in OH-IO (with Bmadsen) 2nd in Posts [7293] in OH-IO (only 800 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
mtglover Member	posted April 03, 2012 04:57 PM Red has goblin Piledriver unfortunately it's only good in goblin decks.
xxxcryoserumxxx Member	posted April 03, 2012 05:18 PM So would it be wise to invest in all of these cards.
daner Member	posted April 03, 2012 07:25 PM quote: Originally posted by mtglover: Red has goblin Piledriver unfortunately it's only good in goblin decks. If Red's 2 cmc creature of choice is Goblin Piledriver it's a pretty damn good choice.
ryan2754 Member	posted April 03, 2012 07:43 PM quote: Originally posted by mtglover: Red has goblin Piledriver unfortunately it's only good in goblin decks. Yeah, I was thinking that as the Red one, but it's a little more narrow than the other ones I listed. __________________ -Schmitty T-94th in Refs [265] on MOTL (tied with bmadsen) T-3rd in Refs [265] in OH-IO (with Bmadsen) 2nd in Posts [7293] in OH-IO (only 800 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
angelOFtorment Banned	posted April 07, 2012 04:05 AM quote: Originally posted by xxxcryoserumxxx: So would it be wise to invest in all of these cards. i don't think so,if you are clever 2 set of snapcaster mage is better than hording all of them...if wizards will decide to axed him(snapcaster mage).your investment will be freak out..you can sold it to a collector or some snapcaster mage addict if snapcaster mage is banned both standard,edh,modern.hope it will not banned. [Edited 1 times, lastly by angelOFtorment on April 07, 2012]
Devonin Member	posted April 07, 2012 04:14 AM quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: Blue has Snapcaster White has Stoneforge Green has Goyf/Scavenging Ooze Black has Confidant Red has ??? Tell you what though, 2 CMC has a ton of good creatures from throughout the ages. Red has Lightning Bolt, which can kill all of those creatures at instant speed, for 25 cents.
caquaa Member	posted April 07, 2012 04:29 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: Red has Lightning Bolt, which can kill all of those creatures at instant speed, for 25 cents. creatures die to removal? No way! worst argument ever for a creature being bad.
Zeckk Member	posted April 07, 2012 06:23 AM Red needs Stranglehold on a 2/1 body for 2cmc.
coasterdude84 Member	posted April 07, 2012 09:22 AM While it's not a 2-drop, Red does have Lavamancer. It seems pretty good...
Marvin Austria Member	posted April 07, 2012 09:38 AM quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: Blue has Snapcaster White has Stoneforge Green has Goyf/Scavenging Ooze Black has Confidant Red has ??? Maybe there is coming a red 2CMC Creature in the next upcoming editions? Who knows
skizzikmonger Member	posted April 07, 2012 12:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: Red has Lightning Bolt, which can kill all of those creatures at instant speed, for 25 cents. Lightning Bolt can kill a turn 2 3/4 (or bigger) Tarmogoyf? Who knew? Also, this: quote: Originally posted by caquaa: creatures die to removal? No way! worst argument ever for a creature being bad.
Goaswerfraiejen Member	posted April 07, 2012 01:44 PM quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: Yeah, I was thinking that as the Red one, but it's a little more narrow than the other ones I listed. I agree on this point. Piledriver is awesome, but it's a tad narrow for that cycle/category: I mean, all of the other cards are splashable across multiple colour combinations and archetypes, while Piledriver is basically restricted to Goblins.. I do hope something cool comes out in the near future, however; red has been under-powered for some time. __________________ "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me." -T.S. Eliot RIP Ari Legacy UGB River Rock primer. PM comments/questions. Info on grad school in Phil.
airwalk Member	posted April 07, 2012 02:22 PM I was to see: 2/2 1R Creature - Orc ~ can't be assigned to block creatures with a power greater than 1. When ~ comes into play do 2 damage to target creature or player.

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