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Originally posted by ardeay:
http://ark42.com/mtg/pricehistory.php?s=Innistrad&c=Liliana+of+the+Veil

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
What does Liliana's rise/fall in value have to do with Jace?

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Mtg culture, excitement, and history

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Originally posted by ardeay:
Mtg culture, excitement, and history

The cards is great, but right now, inflated. Get your max value and pick him up down the road at a lesser value

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If people wait for his price to drop below $35-$40 to pick him up, they're going to be waiting for at least the next two years

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Love people saying jace 4.0 is 30 bucks when I keep seeing playsets in the 160-180 range....

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I've been checking Ebay for my price estimations since the MOTL guide doesn't have RTR. I'm assuming 160-180 is SCG or other websites, but I just generally ignore those prices personally as far as what a card is worth.

Ebay will catch up, redemption on mtgo never massively tanked a mythic

All of you who think his numbers will be low, ship

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Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.
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Jace is going to go down like all of the other planeswalkers do after release. The market will eventually get saturated with the card and he is not going to be replacing the mind sculptor. He will live out his days in standard and end up just like the other good cards that cycle out. (A sought after card by casual players.)

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Originally posted by mcelraca:

I really feel like if they would have named it something other than Jace we wouldn't have people losing their minds over this card.

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lol wat

Right, and I'm sure Snapcaster would have sold better if it was called Jace's Archaeomancer or something.

his abilities speak for themselves. if anything is furthermore artifically boosting his price, it's his card type and rarity. Not his name.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I've been checking Ebay for my price estimations since the MOTL guide doesn't have RTR. I'm assuming 160-180 is SCG or other websites, but I just generally ignore those prices personally as far as what a card is worth.

When it's readily available at like $35, and possible at $30, I'm never paying $50.

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Nope, random members...talking people with crap feedback still getting 180+ a playset..

Just because YOU won't pay 50, doesn't mean he isn't worth 50 and that others won't pay.

That's what people need to understand, just cause you don't like it, or agree with it doesn't make it not true...

In fact your opinion means nothing in this instance...

and like Coolio said, he is already holding strong, and won't be dropping unless he suddenly stops seeing play, which is about as likely as Jace, the Mind Sculptor being in Gatecrash.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

That's what people need to understand, just cause you don't like it, or agree with it doesn't make it not true...

In fact your opinion means nothing in this instance...

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Well naw, I mean I definitely won't pay it, but I'm seeing that a bunch of auctions finishing well below $50 a shot, and more like $30-$35. Coolio knows the market better than I do so he's probably right, but from what I saw, I can just jump on Ebay and grab Jaces well below their "price tag".

The reason why I said I wasn't willing to pay the $50, is not because I don't think the card is worth $50, or that I don't need Jaces, it's because I saw the opportunity available to pay less. When readily available, I consider the card to be worth that price. I'm sure I can find someone selling it for $50 as well, but that's not necessarily how pricing things works.

Where he's going? I'm not going to pretend to know, I can guess. As of today, he's selling for less. Are we looking at the same completed listings here?

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Originally posted by mcelraca:

Jace is going to go down like all of the other planeswalkers do after release. The market will eventually get saturated with the card and he is not going to be replacing the mind sculptor. He will live out his days in standard and end up just like the other good cards that cycle out. (A sought after card by casual players.)

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Well naw, I mean I definitely won't pay it, but I'm seeing that a bunch of auctions finishing well below $50 a shot, and more like $30-$35. Coolio knows the market better than I do so he's probably right, but from what I saw, I can just jump on Ebay and grab Jaces well below their "price tag".

The reason why I said I wasn't willing to pay the $50, is not because I don't think the card is worth $50, or that I don't need Jaces, it's because I saw the opportunity available to pay less. When readily available, I consider the card to be worth that price. I'm sure I can find someone selling it for $50 as well, but that's not necessarily how pricing things works.

Where he's going? I'm not going to pretend to know, I can guess. As of today, he's selling for less.

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Fair enough, and to be honest the quote was more to everyone then just you...

This weeks Pet Peeve is people thinking things are worth substantially less then they are, and then get mad when they can't get them.

This group of people is probably why Jace is sub-50 still on ebay, well that and there will always be people who don't know what their doing and sell for WAY less...

Seen that plenty...like 5$ Snapcasters and the like..lol

It's 60 pages of each page having all but one to two replies saying she's bad and unplayable..

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Edit: anyone who thinks jace won't go up when the control decks find
the right configuration is out of their minds, and clearly didn't
Remember gideon when super friends was legal

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Originally posted by coolio:
Lol @ this thread.. Reads like baneslayers spoil thread @ mtgsal

It's 60 pages of each page having all but one to two replies saying she's bad and unplayable..

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Heh...Now to wait for someone to come in and be like well Baneslayer is like 5$ now in an attempt to seem correct....lol

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
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This weeks Pet Peeve is people thinking things are worth substantially less then they are, and then get mad when they can't get them.

This group of people is probably why Jace is sub-50 still on ebay, well that and there will always be people who don't know what their doing and sell for WAY less...

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
IMHO, Star City's price is like the price ceiling on almost all cases. If they or like CFB is asking some price for something, I can almost guarantee they're less on Ebay, or here on MOTL. Am I stupid for posting mine at $35? Probably, but I'm ok with that. Why would anyone buy it from me at the same price as SCG?

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For most stuff eBay plus shipping is the ceiling, as you get 100% refund if it doesn't arrive. SCG buries "not responsible" clauses on their website, though if you pay by mastercard or visa you can just chargeback.

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Originally posted by mcelraca:
he is not going to be replacing the mind sculptor. He will live out his days in standard and end up just like the other good cards that cycle out. (A sought after card by casual players.)

I really feel like if they would have named it something other than Jace we wouldn't have people losing their minds over this card.

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1.Nobody EVER SAID he was replacing Jace, TMS. However Jace, TMS is not legal in Modern, a highly played format, Jace, AOT IS LEGAL.

2.His value wont tank. If anything it will go up. God help you if he finds his way into top 8 decks during Modern season(which isn't out of the realm of possibilities).

3.His time in Standard is almost 2 more years....I fully expect him to be a dominant force for that time. GL wishing his price tanks before that.

4.Your last point is totally wrong on so many levels. It doesn't matter what a cards name is, if it's playable it's playable...and vice versa. If Jace's name alone carried that much weight why isn't Jace, Memory Adept at least $20? BC IT'S BARELY PLAYABLE.

If you are all so sure that's worth $50, why are you not buying up all the Jace you can find at $35? I see at least 2-3 right now for 35 on this forum and on ebay.

Arguments against him are as Coolio said, just silly.

The name comment is 50/50 sarcasm/true opinion. But even if you don't agree I can't understand how you can't say that people don't automatically get excited when they hear the name jace.

Now finally, I will stand by my opinion that I think the 50$ price point is high. I'm not willing to pay it and that's that. whether you agree with my opinion or not we just need to give it time. Who knows what the dominant decks are going to be and that's what's going to determine his price. As of now a lot of people are running 4 so at least for now he will hold his price. I just can't get over the feeling that he's peeked in terms of price.

Saying that, I may be humbled here in the coming weeks.

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Originally posted by mcelraca:
*edit* sometimes arguing on the Internet can be fun

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Agreed, just wish more people would stop retreating to "My Opinion" kind of kills the arguments dead...which is no fun.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jace-Architect-of-Thought-x4-CHEAP-/271080674223?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item3f1daad3af

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Get him now before he goes up to $150!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jace-Architect-of-Thought-x4-CHEA P-/271080674223?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item3f1daad3af

But seriously, what the heck??

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Sent you a PM...

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
406?

I smell a scam of some sorts. Friend 'buying' cards from a friend to jack up value. I know some people are cardboard crazy, and others smoke crack. But there is no way that this card is worth 100~. I'm not saying its bad, but its not 100~ value in the slightest.

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Auction isn't legit. Really all I can say.