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ardeay
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posted October 08, 2012 05:14 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ardeay Send a private message to ardeay Click to send ardeay an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View ardeay's Have/Want ListView ardeay's Have/Want List
Seriously! $50 TCG mid right now, are we all losing our minds. Let's talk about this:

first ability, great against little guys, but against beasts, im not to sure about this, a double dick wurm will take him down very easily.

... but if that dick wurm resolves

Second ability: OK, i hate this ability, it gives your opponent all sorts of information, they get to see three cards of your, and then know what you have in your hand, and know what's left in your deck, or what is in your deck for next round, and that's all for -2!!

Third Ability: Is ridiculous! but you got to get there, just like every other planeswalker, how many non-limited tournament wins do you have from a planeswalker ultimate?


So lets package him around the AWESOME new blue overload cards, and standard blue shenanegains. Yeah thats good, but so arent the others, i just dont see the flexibility with this guy, its all ultimate


Now hose me with knowledge, and convince me not to get premium $$ for this chump when i pull him in drafts

[Edited 2 times, lastly by ardeay on October 08, 2012]

 
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1. It was a highly hyped set.
2. Its Jace, Wizard's new franchise.
3. Full playset in the winning deck in the first open.
4. Starcity Games.
5. Full playsets in several of the top placing decks.
6. It's blue and draws cards.
7. It's a planeswalker.

The list goes on and on.

 
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I haven't tested the card out yet and I'm just as confused about its price tag but the card's 1st two abilities seems much more useful than you think. It's 1st ability could be like gideon in which it can soak up some damage and survive (not exactly like gideon in which you need to attack it though) and the 2nd ability is seriously being underrated by you if you think it's just ok.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by mtglover on October 08, 2012]
 
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the second ability is very good, but I agree he is overhyped, but he will see play he is good just not jtms good.
 
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This card is a lot better than most expected. His +1 seems bad but against a bunch of aggro decks its actually very powerful, especailly since they can Azorius Charm the bigger critter. I played against it at SCG Cincy this weeekend and he cut my damage in half which kept him alive. His second ability is also very good. You can either give him the card that will put him ahead or give him cards to thin out his deck either way it puts them ahead in card advantage that is hard to keep up with. Against control decks his ultimate can be deadly. Because you you can still their big win con (unless your playing against miracles) and get your big creature out at the same time.

Jace paired with Tamiyo is a very annoying, especially since UW has a lot of board control.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Soldier Boi:
This card is a lot better than most expected. His +1 seems bad but against a bunch of aggro decks its actually very powerful, especailly since they can Azorius Charm the bigger critter. I played against it at SCG Cincy this weeekend and he cut my damage in half which kept him alive. His second ability is also very good. You can either give him the card that will put him ahead or give him cards to thin out his deck either way it puts them ahead in card advantage that is hard to keep up with. Against control decks his ultimate can be deadly. Because you you can still their big win con (unless your playing against miracles) and get your big creature out at the same time.

Jace paired with Tamiyo is a very annoying, especially since UW has a lot of board control.


That's solid feedback, thank you!

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Can't wait to see 2389752897529 BR zombies decks next week, eating jace decks alive.
 
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I don't think this Jace is fast enough to be seriously a threat in true, competitive MTG.

A good card? Hell yeah, but just not fast enough for the win consistently.

 
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All the rtr cards are high right now because of states, and the demand for singles has not been met yet. Just wait a few weeks, and everything will cool off. The sky is not falling
 
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He is also high do to seeing multiple 4 of's in the top 8/16 of a large T2 event.

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Gideon Jura was really really expensive also.
 
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This is the 2nd best Planeswalker ever
 
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No way, I prefer elspeth 1.0 over it.
 
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posted October 09, 2012 10:18 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bugger Click Here to Email Bugger Send a private message to Bugger Click to send Bugger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by flophaus:
I don't think this Jace is fast enough to be seriously a threat in true, competitive MTG.

A good card? Hell yeah, but just not fast enough for the win consistently.


statistics (uncited statistics, but still) seem to disagree.

I'll admit i misread his ultimate as "each opponent" and not "each player"; that severely rearranges his power level.

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quote:
Originally posted by flophaus:
I don't think this Jace is fast enough to be seriously a threat in true, competitive MTG.

A good card? Hell yeah, but just not fast enough for the win consistently.


You are out of your mind..

Easily the best card in the set, not close


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Lord Crovax
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quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
You are out of your mind..

Easily the best card in the set, not close



Not sure about best card, but defiantly damn close.

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Just from what I saw in Hartford, the card looks legit. The middle ability rarely whiffs in the right deck. It's perfect for control.

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his second ability is pretty much a fact or fiction. You get 2 cards and a Jace (3 cards) or 1 card and Jace (2 cards) Just like Fact did for you. If they kill Jace on their turn you just got 2 cards and a fog. If they don't you get to FoF again.

Plus half the reason FoF was so good was that opponents tended to screw up the piles a lot.

Add in that it's mythic, and the set sold out pretty fast. people also don't want to miss out on the next $75 standard card. It will likely comes down with how much people are tearing it open.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by TimeBeing:
his second ability is pretty much a fact or fiction. You get 2 cards and a Jace (3 cards) or 1 card and Jace (2 cards) Just like Fact did for you. If they kill Jace on their turn you just got 2 cards and a fog. If they don't you get to FoF again.

Plus half the reason FoF was so good was that opponents tended to screw up the piles a lot.

Add in that it's mythic, and the set sold out pretty fast. people also don't want to miss out on the next $75 standard card. It will likely comes down with how much people are tearing it open.


and how Standard shapes up over the next few events....see if U/x deks continue to do well....but with Gatecrash add UB and UG I think they will....

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I would especially see if it can maintain its price in the long term after the Standard rotation.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ardeay:
Seriously! $50 TCG mid right now, are we all losing our minds. Let's talk about this:

first ability, great against little guys, but against beasts, im not to sure about this, a double dick wurm will take him down very easily.

... but if that dick wurm resolves

Second ability: OK, i hate this ability, it gives your opponent all sorts of information, they get to see three cards of your, and then know what you have in your hand, and know what's left in your deck, or what is in your deck for next round, and that's all for -2!!

Third Ability: Is ridiculous! but you got to get there, just like every other planeswalker, how many non-limited tournament wins do you have from a planeswalker ultimate?


So lets package him around the AWESOME new blue overload cards, and standard blue shenanegains. Yeah thats good, but so arent the others, i just dont see the flexibility with this guy, its all ultimate


Now hose me with knowledge, and convince me not to get premium $$ for this chump when i pull him in drafts


Jace was in the deck that won the first Standard Event. He will be present in almost every Blue control deck. Tamiyo will rotate, he will be even more useful then.

Several pro's has stated their belief in this card and how it's been underestimated. And they are far more relevant than you :P

It's actually pretty good, you just think since it's not Jace 2.0 it's bad. Flawed reasoning.

 
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Turns out when you put Fact or Fiction on a stick, then slap a mythic rarity on it that it's always gonna be high demand/price. Its the best card U/x control decks could ask for after Jace 2.0. It's the best card in the set...and arguably second best planeswalker ever. Even tho I'm not sold on U/W/r control being the best deck U control is gonna be around and a top tier deck for the foreseable future. It's probably only going to get better with Gatecrash w u/b, u/g and w/b guilds. And no matter what this card will be at the heart of those decks.
 
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how much was Liliana this time last year?
 
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$70

http://ark42.com/mtg/pricehistory.php?s=Innistrad&c=Liliana+of+the+Veil

 
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Turns out when you put Fact or Fiction on a stick, then slap a mythic rarity on it that it's always gonna be high demand/price. Its the best card U/x control decks could ask for after Jace 2.0. It's the best card in the set...and arguably second best planeswalker ever. Even tho I'm not sold on U/W/r control being the best deck U control is gonna be around and a top tier deck for the foreseable future. It's probably only going to get better with Gatecrash w u/b, u/g and w/b guilds. And no matter what this card will be at the heart of those decks.
 

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