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Topic: MTG Ebay disupte with an ignoramus. How to proceed?
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wjuseck
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posted December 13, 2012 09:51 PM
      
I wouldn't rake him over the coals. He is just nervous. Cancel it and move on, I say. I can totally sympathize with him as he is screwed if it gets lost without a signature. I mean, it's $87, but it's probably a lot to him.
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Scared of Nature
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posted December 13, 2012 11:14 PM
Seems ridic, I won a mox last night for way under what it should have sold for, shipping was 5 bucks to canada from usa and he provided a tracking number.
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caquaa
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posted December 13, 2012 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Scared of Nature:
Seems ridic, I won a mox last night for way under what it should have sold for, shipping was 5 bucks to canada from usa and he provided a tracking number.
he either ate the cost of shipping, which is much easier to do on large deals, or he provided you a customs form number which is sort of tracking, but can't provide proof of deliver and such all the time. Its too easy for someone to screw you on ebay w/o tracking. As a seller he needs to have it. You accuse him of quoting a high shipping price so you won't buy the item because you feel it went for less then it should, but would you be willing to pay registered shipping for him to be protected? Maybe he wasn't aware there was another option. I'd say offer to pay for registered mail or just accept the cancellation of the transaction, if you're only willing to accept it with ~$3-4 shipping, you're just as bad as you're assuming he is, right?
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Bagbokk
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posted December 14, 2012 12:05 AM
Not sure why anyone thinks this is ridiculous. Seller originally said he "may not" (or would not, idk) ship internationally, and the messages indicate he's never done it before. He's rightfully nervous about shipping a $100 card without being protected by eBay seller protection, which yes, does require trackable delivery confirmation.Also, most people know about registered mail on MOTL for international shipping, but eBay/Paypal doesn't support it because you can't print out registered mail labels online, and it's very possible that even though the seller went to the post office and asked, the clerk (and his girl) there might have told him that the cheapest option he had was priority + insurance (EMI is $38 now). Yeah, that info might be wrong, but if he's getting what he feels is "official" info from USPS employees then there's nothing wrong with what he's doing. It's also eBay policy that you ship to the address that is provided by the buyer when they pay for the item. Again if you print out labels via eBay and you alter the address that was provided it will say that you might not be protected under seller protection. I guess if you confirmed via messages to ship somewhere else that might be a bit different, but it's still an unnecessary risk.
[Edited 5 times, lastly by Bagbokk on December 14, 2012]
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caquaa
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posted December 14, 2012 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Also, most people know about registered mail on MOTL for international shipping, but eBay/Paypal doesn't support it because you can't print out registered mail labels online, and it's very possible that even though the seller went to the post office and asked, the clerk (and his girl) there might have told him that the cheapest option he had was priority + insurance (EMI is $38 now). Yeah, that info might be wrong, but if he's getting what he feels is "official" info from USPS employees then there's nothing wrong with what he's doing.It's also eBay policy that you ship to the address that is provided by the buyer when they pay for the item. Again if you print out labels via eBay and you alter the address that was provided it will say that you might not be protected under seller protection. I guess if you confirmed via messages to ship somewhere else that might be a bit different, but it's still an unnecessary risk.
you can ship via registered/DC/whatever via hte post office then add the tracking info into ebay after you've shipped. It'll still count. I go to the PO and get registered for high value international deals. You cannot ship to a different address. Even if you have a message from the person, there is a very very high chance paypal will rule against you if something comes up.
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Leeroy
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posted December 14, 2012 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Thanos:
Just refuse to cancel the transaction and leave him negative feedback, when he trys to leave you a strike explain that he was overcharging for shipping, you'll win.
Why should the seller deserve negative feedback, when he clearly states in the auction's description that he doesn't sell to Canada?quote:
Description:
U.S. Bidders Only. I do not ship international, sorry.
If you want to bid on an item that's US only, ask first, and bid only after the seller says it's OK. Honestly, buyers who can't read and than complain are pain in the ass.
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Lord Crovax
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posted December 14, 2012 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by Leeroy:
If you want to bid on an item that's US only, ask first, and bid only after the seller says it's OK. Honestly, buyers who can't read and than complain are pain in the ass.
Re-read, the OP """"" DID """" ask first, and the seller said ok. Honestly people who don't read before posting are a pain in the ass. __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Leeroy
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posted December 14, 2012 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Re-read, the OP """"" DID """" ask first, and the seller said ok.
If it's so, than I apologize. As I understood it, it might have been the other way round.
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Bagbokk
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posted December 14, 2012 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
you can ship via registered/DC/whatever via hte post office then add the tracking info into ebay after you've shipped. It'll still count. I go to the PO and get registered for high value international deals.
I know this. But that's because I've sold on eBay for years, and I know that registered mail exists because I've used it via MOTL sales. But if this seller's only experience selling stuff has been using eBay's label printing services then it's not surprising that he thinks the only way he can ship internationally is via first-class, global priority or EMI. Because that's all the options that eBay gives you.
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stizkidz
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posted December 14, 2012 06:43 AM
ANYONE who is giving the seller a hard time must not be too familiar with selling on ebay. The liability is absolutely huge. This guy is just trying to limit his liability and risk and I can't blame him as I would do the same thing. I would agree that there is some sort of disconnect with his choice of shipping options. This whole thread really makes me feel better about not oferring international shipping on my own auctions. No way I want to deal with this kind of nonsense when there are more than enough ways to sell stuff easily.
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Thanos
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posted December 14, 2012 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Leeroy:
If you want to bid on an item that's US only, ask first, and bid only after the seller says it's OK. Honestly, buyers who can't read and than complain are pain in the ass.
I read what the OP wrote saying the seller "may" not ship outside the US, I didn't stalk the auction, sorry.
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Piercec
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posted December 14, 2012 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by ermabwed:In his defense, Ebay basically does require delivery confirmation. They don't say that outright, but the policy is that the seller automatically loses any dispute for which they cannot provide it. I do expect such a requirement to be listed in the auction, and requiring insurance on a deal of this size is plain stupid, but it's not completely without basis.
Unless Ebay recently raised the evidenciary bar, I thought you only needed to prove that it was sent, not that it was delivered.
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dwiz
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posted December 14, 2012 09:44 AM
 
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Originally posted by Piercec:
Unless Ebay recently raised the evidenciary bar, I thought you only needed to prove that it was sent, not that it was delivered.
That was never the case, ever.
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Demilio
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posted December 14, 2012 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by wjuseck:
I wouldn't rake him over the coals. He is just nervous. Cancel it and move on, I say. I can totally sympathize with him as he is screwed if it gets lost without a signature. I mean, it's $87, but it's probably a lot to him.
I would agree with this. eBay holds the seller completely liable without delivery confirmation.
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rats60
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posted December 14, 2012 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Re-read, the OP """"" DID """" ask first, and the seller said ok.Honestly people who don't read before posting are a pain in the ass.
But he didn't get a shipping total until after the auction. I had a friend lose a 100.00+ card because he sent it registered and the other counrty didn't get a signature. Now he only ships global priority so he doesn't lose an Ebay chargeback. I don't blame the seller for wanting tracking on the card. If you want to blame someone, blame Ebay/Paypal.
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I3Iood
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posted December 14, 2012 11:41 AM
He did relist it for sale at $139.99.http://www.ebay.com/itm/271122444531
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Lord Crovax
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posted December 14, 2012 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
He did relist it for sale at $139.99.http://www.ebay.com/itm/271122444531
So is this resolved then? Cause otherwise I'd imagine re-listing a sold item is a BIG no no __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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flam flawless
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posted December 14, 2012 04:31 PM
if it's not resolved, I'd DEFINATELY say "alright, why not. I'll pay your $20 shipping". See what he does back
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ryanghall
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posted December 14, 2012 06:05 PM
I left him a negative and it's gone, or at least not showing up on my mobile phone. Can someone explain why?For those struggling with reading comprehension, all he had to do was state he didn't want to ship to Canada when I emailed him. By his relisted price, it's pretty obvious why he wanted the auction cancelled.
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Lord Crovax
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posted December 14, 2012 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by ryanghall:
I left him a negative and it's gone, or at least not showing up on my mobile phone. Can someone explain why?For those struggling with reading comprehension, all he had to do was state he didn't want to ship to Canada when I emailed him. By his relisted price, it's pretty obvious why he wanted the auction cancelled.
Agreed which is why I'd go to ebay, re-listing like that is a big no no. __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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marvinc023
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posted December 14, 2012 06:48 PM
I don't see your negative feedback at all. I'd contact eBay.
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dwiz
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posted December 14, 2012 07:14 PM
Can't leave a neg a day after you make a purchase. I still don't know why you would leave a neg at all.
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Lord Crovax
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posted December 14, 2012 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Can't leave a neg a day after you make a purchase. I still don't know why you would leave a neg at all.
Guy refused to sell it? tried using insane shipping prices to get out of selling it hoping the buyer wouldnt pay? Sounds legit to me...
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marvinc023
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posted December 14, 2012 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Can't leave a neg a day after you make a purchase. I still don't know why you would leave a neg at all.
It's quite clear why he would leave negative feedback.. at least to me it sure is.
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rats60
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posted December 15, 2012 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by ryanghall:
I left him a negative and it's gone, or at least not showing up on my mobile phone. Can someone explain why?For those struggling with reading comprehension, all he had to do was state he didn't want to ship to Canada when I emailed him. By his relisted price, it's pretty obvious why he wanted the auction cancelled.
This is Ebay's policy
At the time the item ended or the Feedback was left, either member participating in the transaction was unable to form a legally binding contract His auction was for US only. Since you are in Canada, you are not eligible to bid on his item and form a contract. This is to prevent foreign bidders from bidding on items just to leave negative feedback because sellers won't ship internationally.
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