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Originally posted by Jazaray:
If the seller didn't want to send to Canada, then he shouldn't have said he would, and he certainly should have checked what the cost was before saying he would.

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Agreed. It's also fair to say that the buyer shouldn't have agreed to pay unknown shipping costs. "... that's what it costs me so whatever that cost is, That's what I will charge!" By bidding Ryan agreed to these terms.

Ryan was the first person to back out of this deal when he didn't want to pay the quoted shipping. It's not the seller's resposibility to use the cheapest shipping option. I can't find any fault with the seller from a rules standpoint.

http://classic.magictraders.com/policies/posting
http://www.magictraders.com/sending_rules.shtml

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I was trying to figure out how the MOTL rules would handle this case and the link is broken and the sending rules link is broken

http://classic.magictraders.com/policies/posting
http://www.magictraders.com/sending_rules.shtml

Just an FYI since I know moderators are reading this thread.

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Try http://www.magictraders.com/policies/sending
and
http://www.magictraders.com/policies/posting

Thanks,
Jazaray

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The seller stated that "in order to get any kind of confirmation" he would have to send with Global Priority shipping and insurance. This is an untrue statement. Yes, perhaps he didn't want to believe "some random guy from Ebay", but it's something he could have gone and checked out instead of flat out refusing to even check on other shipping options.

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It's certainly true that the seller could have went back to the USPS and asked about registered mail specifically - however, the first couple statements he made in the original post suggests that he checked with the USPS about his options to send internationally as a general matter.

Also, even if Ryan did tell him about the registered mail option, that combined with the messages in the original post here probably confused the hell out of the seller as well. He asked the seller to ship it "regular" because he wasn't going to rip the seller off. He then told the seller about certified mail for $2.95: "Certified is $2.95 and there is no reason for it to cost more than this." If I were getting these kinds of e-mails and then the buyer tells me there's a $15 option when I was told by people at the USPS that the cheapest is $29.15 then I'm going to really think something's suspicious. (sidenote: I have absolutely nothing against you (Ryan), I'm just objectively going off what I'm seeing here.)

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
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Originally posted by ryanghall:
I'm just wondering how many people on MOTL would have issues simulsending without tracking with someone with over 200 refs. Since, y'know, this is basically the same thing.

BTW I've won 4 other auctions from US buyers the last 4 days. Shipping ranged from free to $2.95. To Canada.

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Paypal and ebay sellers don't give a crap about your motl refs. They mean nothing.

I wouldn't have an issue simusending with someone who has 200+ ref's. I do however send with tracking on all trades which is why I don't trade outside the US. If there were cheaper options for shipping that would cover my butt in a potential BTA case, I'd be more than happy to trade with everyone on this site.

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
I'm just wondering how many people on MOTL would have issues simulsending without tracking with someone with over 200 refs. Since, y'know, this is basically the same thing.

BTW I've won 4 other auctions from US buyers the last 4 days. Shipping ranged from free to $2.95. To Canada.

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I don't send without tracking to anyone on MOTL regardless of number of refs unless they waive my liability for lost or stolen mail. Since eBay doesn't allow that and wouldn't recognize that agreement like MOTL does, I wouldn't do it on eBay, period.

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
Or they're not paranoid and realize its an extremely small portion of the population that is out to take advantage of the policy - a tiny price to pay for a world of additional buyers. I just saw someone on EBay with a 35,000 rating. He sells high priced cards and ships intl for under $3. Do you not think he understands the risks/rewards by now? But keep doing what you're doing, I honestly couldn't care less. It's pretty clear who in this thread understands expected value and who doesn't have the slightest clue.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
apparently that'd be you. Someone w/ 35000 feedback obvious mitigates losses by volume. SOmeone with low volume has no way to mitigate any loss so they must protect themselves. There is a reason I require all that crap to protect myself whenever I sell on ebay or MOTL, its not that I want to bend buyers over a barrel, I just don't want to randomly lose $100.

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
Or they're not paranoid and realize its an extremely small portion of the population that is out to take advantage of the policy - a tiny price to pay for a world of additional buyers. I just saw someone on EBay with a 35,000 rating. He sells high priced cards and ships intl for under $3. Do you not think he understands the risks/rewards by now? But keep doing what you're doing, I honestly couldn't care less. It's pretty clear who in this thread understands expected value and who doesn't have the slightest clue.

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Or they're not paranoid and realize its an extremely small portion of the population that is out to take advantage of the policy - a tiny price to pay for a world of additional buyers. I just saw someone on EBay with a 35,000 rating. He sells high priced cards and ships intl for under $3. Do you not think he understands the risks/rewards by now? But keep doing what you're doing, I honestly couldn't care less. It's pretty clear who in this thread understands expected value and who doesn't have the slightest clue.

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How many of our BTAs are posted because one party sent without tracking and the other party claims not to have received? No, it doesn't matter at all if they're being truthful or not. The simple fact is, if you don't have proof of delivery, you lose the case. Period. Does not matter why, or how, or anything.

And yes, it is in fact absolutely clear who in this thread understands expected value and who doesn't have the slightest clue. caquaa already addressed mitigation of losses by volume. I don't have kidicarus's feedback to get insane prices on my auction-style listings, so I either (a) set my auctions at a BIN price or (b) set my starting price close to or at where I want to sell the item. End result? I don't need a world of additional buyers at all--I need one. And I have almost always gotten that one buyer, the only exception being some cards that I overpriced by like 100% because there were insufficient data on their values.

I don't sell that many cards and usually when I do sell cards on eBay, they're of fairly significant value. My profit margin is also, on average, about 20-25% per card. After accounting for a slight price inflation when I list the card on eBay, and the fees, I probably get about 15-20%. If I lose $100 this means I need to SELL $500-666 worth of cards just to make that $100 back. Unless you're a dealer (which these 35,000 rating "people" are) that's a pretty damn difficult loss to swallow.

I just did a trade with sgarman and he live in Canada and I am in the US.

I'm not sure why no one seems to be understanding this. His shipping charge was unreasonable, when you consider there's a shipping option that's 1/2 the price he wanted, that also tracks.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Priority mail is not the next cheapest. Registered mail is. Priority mail itself doesn't track, registered does.

I'm not sure why no one seems to be understanding this. His shipping charge was unreasonable, when you consider there's a shipping option that's 1/2 the price he wanted, that also tracks.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Priority mail is not the next cheapest. Registered mail is. Priority mail itself doesn't track, registered does.

I'm not sure why no one seems to be understanding this. His shipping charge was unreasonable, when you consider there's a shipping option that's 1/2 the price he wanted, that also tracks.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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maybe so, but when i asked them, they said the next cheapest would be $29.00. It was my choice, $3.30 or $29.00. There was nothing in between. $29 i think was actually the registed, and $44.00 was priority or something esle. I dont really remember, but i do know that the NEXT cheapest was a huge jump (unless both of my USPS post office ppl were wrong).

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Originally posted by Jubert39:
maybe so, but when i asked them, they said the next cheapest would be $29.00. It was my choice, $3.30 or $29.00. There was nothing in between. $29 i think was actually the registed, and $44.00 was priority or something esle. I dont really remember, but i do know that the NEXT cheapest was a huge jump (unless both of my USPS post office ppl were wrong).

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Unless your package weighed about... 5 lbs or so, then yes, they were wrong. Registered mail costs $15, for a ~2oz package, which is still a huge jump from $3, but way less than $29.

dwiz, I never said that registered mail was insurance. I said that it was tracked mail, which priority only mail is not.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Unless your package weighed about... 5 lbs or so, then yes, they were wrong. Registered mail costs $15, for a ~2oz package, which is still a huge jump from $3, but way less than $29.

dwiz, I never said that registered mail was insurance. I said that it was tracked mail, which priority only mail is not.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Jaz, you have to consider what is acceptable for Ebay/PayPal. I must admit, I only use registered mail on larger international deal, but sometimes, it doesn't even show the status as being "Delivered". So if the seller wanted to make ABSOLUTELY sure, he would have to ask and take advices from USPS.

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You can say the same exact thing about Delivery Confirmation, but he was apparently fine with using that..

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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