Dear ryanghall,

I'm not sure I've never shipped to Canada but whatever the charges are will be passed on to you no more no less. the reason I charge a $1.64 for shipping here is that's what it costs me so whatever that cost is, That's what I will charge! Thanks for looking at my auction!

- daninersrule

Then, after I win the auction, I ask how much to pay for shipping and I get this:

Dear ryanghall,

Hey bud I just wanted to let you know I just got done at the post office and for me to get any kind of confirmation that it's going to be delivered to you I have to go priority mail with the insurance for the amount of the card it's going to cost $29.15 to ship this to you. I cannot provide signature confirmation nor can I do delivery confirmation so what I want to know is do you want to pay that much For this card or do you just want to cancel the transaction? I do apologize for this inconvenience but is what the post office is charging me!

- daninersrule

I wasn't aware that confirmation is now required by Ebay policy, and it said nothing about it on his auction, so I replied, trying to assuage his fears about evil liberal Canadians stealing his magical cards:

Dear daninersrule,

Hi,

I get cards shipped all the time from the States and it's a couple of bucks. Why are you requiring a signature? I'm not going to rip you off Google my name and poker I also have 160 refs on the same name on magictraders. So can you just send it regular, assuming there is no marker/ink on it.

- ryanghall

Well, he conferred with his "girl" and this wasn't good enough for him:

Dear ryanghall,

My girl works at the post office and she told me to specifically not ship internationally...any of my cards!!! now I see why I make this exception and in order for me to get insurance on the card no signature no delivery confirmation that can't even be guaranteed the only thing I can do is get insurance on the package. in order for me to get insurance I have to send it priority. which that's the cost so those Are the terms of the sale. if that doesn't work for you I truly am sorry and but I'm just trying to keep us both safe I want you to be happy an get the card...there is no marking there is no ink but i also want you to be satisfied with the overall buying experience! So the total is $116.16...I understand if u don't want to pay that much for shipping and I will cancel the transaction if you want. Thanks again for understanding the situation.

- daninersrule

Not sure why he thought I understood the situation of him trying to get out of an auction that he didn't feel went high enough, so I replied:

Dear daninersrule,

Certified is $2.95 and there is no reason for it to cost more than this. I have had over 150 MTG packages sent from the US and there has *never* been a problem. The problem is on your end because you are needlessly requiring a signature. If you choose not to reasonably ship the item, I will have no choice but to leave you negative feedback. If ypu didbt want to ship intl and if you required something like a signature you shoukd have told me that when I emailed you, obviously. It's up to you, let me know. If you decline to ship reasonably and honor the auction, I will be forced to leave a negative, which doesn't seem necessary.

- ryanghall

For some reason, he feels the need to insure a $87 package so he replies:

Dear ryanghall,

I am not requesting a signature!!! all I am trying to do is get insurance on the package!!! I can't get delivery confirmation!! I cannot get any type Of tracking!!! None!!! It's not even offered!!! The only way I can even get insurance on the package is to send it priority mail! I do apologize! these are the terms of the sale! I told you what ever the cost was would be passed on to you... I did tell you that whatever the charge was it was going to be paid by you and you agreed to that... now I had no idea, because I've never shipped internationally before, That it would cost so much. now you may feel like you need to leave negative feedback if you do that's fine I'll do the same. but you're right it doesn't need to be done but these were the terms of the auction you agreed to pay. but the fees are exorbitant I agree so like I said I will cancel the auction if that's what you want.

- daninersrule

I give him an ultimatum:

Dear daninersrule,

No! I don't want it cancelled. But I sure suspect you do because you didn't get as much as you wanted. I don't care if you leave me a negative for no reason, I'm only planning on buying. There is NO reason you can't ship regular mail in a downloader and a plain envelope. I can give you $3 for this so you're still making $ off the shipping. Anyway, last chance, let me know.

- ryanghall

And he responds:

Dear ryanghall,

Well it seems we're at an impasse so I sent a request to cancel the transaction.

- daninersrule

And sends me an invoice for 29 odd dollars of shipping and a request to cancel the auction.

MOTL, I'm pretty new with Ebay. How should I proceed?

If anyone reputable from MOTL wants to get it shipped to them and pass it on to me, that would be wonderful.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
Well if he wanted a sig that bad he could have tried international registered which I believe is $15 + regular shipping to canada, which in a bubble mailer should add no more than $3, to this registered is also insured it is part of the registered service. Ask him to check how much that would cost, even with that amount of shipping that is a good deal for a U-Sea, if he still wants to cancel(and you may want to do this anyway) contact Ebay customer service, though if he put no international shipping in his listing they will likley side with him.

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I'm fairly certain he knows what the best shipping options are, and is simply refusing to use them.

I bet you anything if asked to ship within US, shipping will still end up being some outrageous number.

Dear daninersrule,

Alright, I tell you what. How about I find a US address for you to ship to. That should be about $2, right? Can we do that?

- ryanghall

Dear ryanghall,

No can do...can't ship to unconfirmed address...sorry

- daninersrule

In his defense, Ebay basically does require delivery confirmation. They don't say that outright, but the policy is that the seller automatically loses any dispute for which they cannot provide it. I do expect such a requirement to be listed in the auction, and requiring insurance on a deal of this size is plain stupid, but it's not completely without basis.

It's no longer possible to leave a negative for a buyer, so don't worry about his idle threat.

I think you're wrong about certified mail being $2.95 though. I've found the shipping options from US to Canada to be about $1-2 for first class (PWE $1, bubble mailer $2), and jumping immediately to about what he quoted for anything trackable.

Leave a negative regardless of how this turns out. This guy is clearly an idiot and the public deserves to be warned.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by ryanghall:
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Dude, you're in the wrong here, what are you trying to prove by posting his twitter pictures?

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He's actually NOT in the wrong here. There are other ways to get tracking on packages sent internationally that are far cheaper.

Although posting that was rather tacky. Ryan.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
He's actually NOT in the wrong here. There are other ways to get tracking on packages sent internationally that are far cheaper.

Although posting that was rather tacky. Ryan.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by dwiz:
Return receipt doesn't do anything in an ebay dispute. It needs to be trackable online which is only possible with registered mail. He can wave his little return receipt all he wants, it's not going to do anything except add $2.50 to his $87 loss.

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Exactly, with REGISTERED shipping, which only costs $15.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

I don't believe you are that new to ebay that you don't know that the seller needs proof of delivery.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
I agree you are in the wrong here. heck look at the badtrader posting that went down here last week, where the guy even absolved him of responsibility and he still filed a paypal dispute. AND WON

I don't believe you are that new to ebay that you don't know that the seller needs proof of delivery.

sure he is wrong on the shipping amount which should be about 15-16, but I don't think you want to pay that...

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Once again, no, he's not in the wrong, as there were cheaper shipping options that the seller refused to even consider, that would also give him tracking on the package.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Don't bid on auctions that say US-only or "email me if you want foreign shipping" or something. Thats always a trap.

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This.